Meredith Kercher murdered-Amanda Knox appeals conviction #13

[wasnt_me]

Am quoting this again as I am wondering why Frank concludes that the embassy must now make a move. He must have no faith in the appeal, then.....:waitasec:

The united states should have made a stand on this a long time ago, in my opinion. With all the corrupt goings on we've heard about over there, the united states should be deeply concerned about its citizens in that country.

It's hard, though. we have other countries' citizens detained as well. I don't know how often we listen if their country intervenes.

 

[OldSteve]

This here is some information about RS's state of mind after the first trial.

http://abcnews.go.com/International...le-sollecito-mental-problems/story?id=9300723

It answers some of the questions I posed earlier about him and Amanda's relationship, etc. Oh, but note, it's an article about RS, but AK's picture is on it.

Photos of RS from the most recent hearing, etc.

http://www.zimbio.com/photos/Raffaele+Sollecito

Sad to read the article! Noticed that he is held in the section of prison for sex offenders - he should really be held in the section for those who have been wrongly convicted, IMO!

Also, where he said,""We went to buy underwear because all of Amanda's things were sequestered [by the police]. Everything that was said about it is wrong. My comment was just a comment in jest. "
Another example of things can get twisted and turned against the unwary..

 

[otto]

The united states should have made a stand on this a long time ago, in my opinion. With all the corrupt goings on we've heard about over there, the united states should be deeply concerned about its citizens in that country.

It's hard, though. we have other countries' citizens detained as well. I don't know how often we listen if their country intervenes.

On what grounds should the US take a stand regarding the murder conviction of one of their citizens in an EU country?

 

[otto]

Sad to read the article! Noticed that he is held in the section of prison for sex offenders - he should really be held in the section for those who have been wrongly convicted, IMO!

Also, where he said,""We went to buy underwear because all of Amanda's things were sequestered [by the police]. Everything that was said about it is wrong. My comment was just a comment in jest. "
Another example of things can get twisted and turned against the unwary..

If it was flowery grandmother underwear instead of sexy lingerie, why wasn't it introduced in court to refute the evidence?

 

[wasnt_me]

Sad to read the article! Noticed that he is held in the section of prison for sex offenders - he should really be held in the section for those who have been wrongly convicted, IMO!

Also, where he said,""We went to buy underwear because all of Amanda's things were sequestered [by the police]. Everything that was said about it is wrong. My comment was just a comment in jest. "
Another example of things can get twisted and turned against the unwary..

Right. Just like someone else just twisted AK's underwear preference into her guilt.

It is sad, and if they have NO proof that he sexually assaulted her, he should not be held there. they gave RG the benefit on wielding the knife. Since RG's DNA is the only one found INSIDE MK, RS should not be held in that wing.

 

[otto]

Right. Just like someone else just twisted AK's underwear preference into her guilt.

It is sad, and if they have NO proof that he sexually assaulted her, he should not be held there. they gave RG the benefit on wielding the knife. Since RG's DNA is the only one found INSIDE MK, RS should not be held in that wing.

Meredith was found partially dressed with her bra cut off. That constitutes sexual assault. Sollecito, Knox and Guede were convicted of that assault and the murder. Why shouldn't he be in the sex offender's wing?

I find it bewildering that if Knox is in the kitchen listening to Meredith being assaulted and murdered, or Sollocito DNA is not found inside the victim, they are somehow deemed innocent of participation in the assault and murder. Have you forgotten that Sollecito's DNA was found on the bra clasp, indicating that he had something to do with the cutting of her bra?

 

[Nova]

And this is Frank's conclusion: :waitasec:

Amanda knows what happened, she knows why she was screaming, she knows that the problem is not in Rome, not in a lab. Amanda needs America now, after Italy, to do something; she needs the Embassy to move, for real. It’s really not time for being diplomatic. Not anymore.

I read that, but I'm not sure what Frank thinks the embassy can or should do.

 

[Nova]

I wonder how many university students have suits whether they be male or female at the age of 20?

I certainly didn't.

 

[Nova]

A study that says murderers dress to disrespect the court? No. For what purpose?

To back up YOUR claim that AK's clothes are relevant to this discussion.

Otherwise, I shall assume your harping on AK's apparel is just a matter of kicking a wounded dog.

 

[Nova]

Are you suggesting that the experts were unable to recognize sleep mode ... when the keyboard and screen sleep?
:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh: :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

I don't believe ILE used experts. Just bumbling oafs who fried three drives and misread the fourth.

 

[otto]

To back up YOUR claim that AK's clothes are relevant to this discussion.

Otherwise, I shall assume your harping on AK's apparel is just a matter of kicking a wounded dog.

I can justify the relevance without having someone do a research study. As I've said, her inappropriate outfits suggest a few different possibilities. It could be that she has a screw loose - which doesn' bode well in the big picture. It could be that she is deliberately disrespecting the court (that backwards medieval place where laws are for other people). It's possible that little Amelie simply doesn't know better and never learned how to dress or behave appropriately in formal or serious situations - which also doesn't bode well.

Why don't we kick around some of the other wounded dogs ... like whether Amanda lied, has an alibi, left a pool of water on the kitchen floor for 16 hours. Any preference?

 

[otto]

I don't believe ILE used experts. Just bumbling oafs who fried three drives and misread the fourth.

The FBI expert that missed a whole lot of information in Brad Cooper's computer was probably a bumbling oaf as well. Come to think about it, isn't it a generally held belief that everyone involved in the investigation of Meredith Kerchers murder is a bumbling oaf?

 

[Nova]

I don't know about college, but the reference was to University. Any student in a degree program leading to a professional career has a suit well before graduation.

In the U.S. we speak of being "in college" whether it's a 2-year, 4-year or graduate program. We don't use the English expression "at university", not even when we are at one.

What people are telling you is that most of us had no "business" attire when we were in school, and certainly not at age 20.

I too got my first suit at age 25 and it was purchased by the theatrical producer I worked for so that I would have something appropriate to wear on opening nights.

 

[Nova]

if it was flowery grandmother underwear instead of sexy lingerie, why wasn't it introduced in court to refute the evidence?

What difference does it make????!!!!

 

[SMK]

If it was flowery grandmother underwear instead of sexy lingerie, why wasn't it introduced in court to refute the evidence?

Because I doubt there is any college girl with a boyfriend who would wear flowery grandmother underwear, unless she were mentally ill or had been sexually abused. And if they were innocent of murder, they may have been being romantic to distance themselves from the tragedy. Young people will do that, as when I was 18 after my father's funeral, I wanted to go shopping for designer jeans for the same reason..........

 

[Nova]

I can justify the relevance without having someone do a research study. As I've said, her inappropriate outfits suggest a few different possibilities. It could be that she has a screw loose - which doesn' bode well in the big picture. It could be that she is deliberately disrespecting the court (that backwards medieval place where laws are for other people). It's possible that little Amelie simply doesn't know better and never learned how to dress or behave appropriately in formal or serious situations - which also doesn't bode well.

Why don't we kick around some of the other wounded dogs ... like whether Amanda lied, has an alibi, left a pool of water on the kitchen floor for 16 hours. Any preference?

And so I'll ask in a different way: where is your evidence of a direct correlation between poor taste in clothes and insanity ("a screw loose")?

Why would AK "disrespect" the court, given that she has never claimed to be a political prisoner? Yes, Perugia is a backwards medieval place, but anyone recognizing it as such would take care not to antagonize the medieval inquisitors with garish dress.

As for your third possibility, that AK simply never learned how to dress appropriately, how does that bode ill for her? If you believe AK was convicted for her clothing choices, you should be protesting the verdict loudly.

 

[Nova]

Have you forgotten that Sollecito's DNA was found on the bra clasp, indicating that he had something to do with the cutting of her bra?

Given the stupidity of ILE's forensic experts, I have no idea whether Sollecito's DNA was actually on that clasp.

I'll have to wait until the clasp is retested--oh, no, wait...

 

[otto]

In the U.S. we speak of being "in college" whether it's a 2-year, 4-year or graduate program. We don't use the English expression "at university", not even when we are at one.

What people are telling you is that most of us had no "business" attire when we were in school, and certainly not at age 20.

I too got my first suit at age 25 and it was purchased by the theatrical producer I worked for so that I would have something appropriate to wear on opening nights.

I was answering with the an understanding of the distinction between a 4 year university degree and a 2 year college, or technical school, diploma. Since university was referenced in the comment, I assumed that meant a 4 year university degree and therefore I responded that university students pursuing a degreed program leading to a professional designation would have professional clothing prior to graduation. They would have this clothing for the purpose of applying for summer jobs and for interviewing prior to graduation. Therefore, my answer was that all university student pursuing a professional job would have a suit or suitable clothing by the time they graduated.

 

[Nova]

I was answering with the an understanding of the distinction between a 4 year university degree and a 2 year college, or technical school, diploma. Since university was referenced in the comment, I assumed that meant a 4 year university degree and therefore I responded that university students pursuing a degreed program leading to a professional designation would have professional clothing prior to graduation. They would have this clothing for the purpose of applying for summer jobs and for interviewing prior to graduation. Therefore, my answer was that all university student pursuing a professional job would have a suit or suitable clothing by the time they graduated.

And you're still wrong. I've worked with enough college-age interns at law firms to know that while they do have white shirts and trousers, they don't have full business attire. In grad schools in the liberal arts (where most people are training to teach), grad students--including student teachers--dress just like the undergrads.

You may be right that students going into some professions purchase suits around the time of graduation to wear for interviews, but AK was nowhere near graduation.

And again I ask: what difference does any of this make?

 

[otto]

And you're still wrong. I've worked with enough college-age interns at law firms to know that while they do have white shirts and trousers, they don't have full business attire. In grad schools in the liberal arts (where most people are training to teach), grad students--including student teachers--dress just like the undergrads.

You may be right that students going into some professions purchase suits around the time of graduation to wear for interviews, but AK was nowhere near graduation.

And again I ask: what difference does any of this make?

I don't know, but if you're asking me, you're asking the wrong person:

I wonder how many university students have suits whether they be male or female at the age of 20?

Around here, student teachers have proper business clothing so they can be successful in their practicum work.