Meredith Kercher murdered-Amanda Knox appeals conviction #13

[otto]

It seems to be reaching a desperation point:

*excuses upon excuses are made for AK's behavior and the evidence against her.

Then:
1- the two pieces of evidence currently under review will not free AK and RS.
2- supporters lure the CPJ into getting involved, which does not 'pan out'. Their information for their complaint seems to be lacking and unsupported by fact.
3- A CNN 'piece' is hailed as showing the 'true' facts of the case and bashing/showing Mignini is wrong and other adjectives needed by supporters. This piece is SHOWN/PROVED to have been edited and cherry-picked until it is a pure hatchet job. Anybody that cares to look can see this for themselves by reading the transcript's translation. No amount of spin or deflection will/can change that!

Desperate times indeed for the 'support' campaign.

It's unfortunate that there is such reluctance amongst some bloggers and media to call a spade a spade, but I guess the best way to sell the story is to wrap it in conspiracy ... a poor, little girl from Seattle went to Italy where the mean prosecutor decided it would be fun to persecute the little girl and now she is sitting in a cold hard prison because the all powerful, mean prosecutor over-ruled the judge and jury and found her guilty.

 

[Malkmus]

For sure NOT what CNN/Drew/Preston were trying to project. Are you defending their 'work' on the piece?

So doesn't sound like you learned anything... Answering questions with questions.

 

[dgfred]

It's unfortunate that there is such reluctance amongst some bloggers and media to call a spade a spade, but I guess the best way to sell the story is to wrap it in conspiracy ... a poor, little girl from Seattle went to Italy where the mean prosecutor decided it would be fun to persecute the little girl and now she is sitting in a cold hard prison because the all powerful, mean prosecutor over-ruled the judge and jury and found her guilty.

Unfortunate indeed. But it blows my mind how some here can defend stuff like the CNN thing... knowing/seeing it is not right, but not admitting it and start bringing up other little bits that can not be proven on a forum one way or another (as evidence of being innocent or 'railroaded').

 

[otto]

Still a terrible excuse. You act like he's not still working on the current trial. A murder happened four years ago and he's still working on the case. We shouldn't know the facts better than the prosecutor. Shame on him.

Yeah, Amanda's DNA was found in Filomena's room. Other female DNA was found in the mixed samples as well. It tells us nothing. DNA is helpful for placing people where they don't belong, such as with Rudy.

Why would he be still working on a case that was tried a couple of years ago? The case is over for his part. He's not presenting, or arguing new evidence. There are 2 appeals, but that is only to review a very small piece of the long list of evidence that was presented for appeal by defense lawyers.

We are not looking at 200 independent case files, we are discussing, in circles, the same old stuff for 4 years.

Amanda's DNA was mixed with Meredith's blood in Filomina's room. That's a bit of a problem for Amanda.

 

[dgfred]

So doesn't sound like you learned anything... Answering questions with questions.

Nah, I already KNEW everything :great: .

You didn't answer my question... but I probably knew that answer too :crazy: .

 

[Malkmus]

Why would he be still working on a case that was tried a couple of years ago? The case is over for his part. He's not presenting, or arguing new evidence. There are 2 appeals, but that is only to review a very small piece of the long list of evidence that was presented for appeal by defense lawyers.

We are not looking at 200 independent case files, we are discussing, in circles, the same old stuff for 4 years.

Amanda's DNA was mixed with Meredith's blood in Filomina's room. That's a bit of a problem for Amanda.

Apparently you're not aware that Mignini is assisting the prosecution with the appeals.

What does the mixed blood DNA sample mean for the unknown females who also left DNA in there?

 

[otto]

Unfortunate indeed. But it blows my mind how some here can defend stuff like the CNN thing... knowing/seeing it is not right, but not admitting it and start bringing up other little bits that can not be proven on a forum one way or another (as evidence of being innocent or 'railroaded').

If CNN wanted to report news, they would look at the entire case and report the facts, but instead they post pictures of a policewoman kicking in a door to another apartment, and imply that it is the door of the cottage. When they report on the little girl from Seattle, they add photos of the little girl in her soccer outfit. CNN should stop listening to people like Bremner and do a little fact checking. The woman from Seattle was convicted of murder by a jury. CNN should take some time to talk with the jurors if they want to know why she was convicted.

Anything copied over from the "Bruce Fisher" character's blog should be taken with a grain of salt. There is no question that he manipulates and alters information to fit his agenda.

 

[Malkmus]

So doesn't sound like you learned anything... Answering questions with questions.

There was no editing "trickery". They didn't cheat answers in any way to the questions to make him look bad. His answers were presented the way he phrased them. And the entire interview was made available to the public. If you think Mignini looked bad, it's because he did it to himself with how he answered those questions. I had no problem with the segment. But maybe you can enlighten me with what they did that was so bad.

 

[otto]

Apparently you're not aware that Mignini is assisting the prosecution with the appeals.

What does the mixed blood DNA sample mean for the unknown females who also left DNA in there?

Amanda's DNA mixed with Meredith's blood in Filomina's room means that Amanda was in Meredith's room and Filomina's room after the murder. I don't think it means anything about anyone else.

For Mignini, the case is done. The appeals are nothing more than wrapping up loose ends.

 

[dgfred]

There was no editing "trickery". They didn't cheat answers in any way to the questions to make him look bad. His answers were presented the way he phrased them. And the entire interview was made available to the public. If you think Mignini looked bad, it's because he did it to himself with how he answered those questions. I had no problem with the segment. But maybe you can enlighten me with what they did that was so bad.

Anticipated but surely even you can not deny that they did in fact use 'trickery'. They actually changed some of his answers and reported to C.Dempsey some rather off-base things regarding Mignini and the case. Not to mention misleading the audience.

If you back 'that kind' of work and presentation, then I really don't know what to say... only there is no excuse for it IMO.

 

[Nova]

The one computer of RS's had 2 operating systems on it. ILE did not put in their report the opening of the cartoon Naruto at 9:26.

It appears ILE computer expert knew nothing about Mac OS and the defense was able to show additional activity after reviewing the hard drive

Thus ILE only listed files that were opened on the windowserver.log file and even there they messed up

As per RS's appeal

"Indeed, searching with Spotlight in version 10.4.10 was detected at least one file "Naruto ep 101.avi" which is not present in advice of the police post, but whose date of last opening is Thursday 1 November 2007 at 21:26 "

It appears they detected screen saver activity as well

"Once a system and built the same version as the one used by Raffaele Dunning, ie Mac OS X 10.4.10 (Build 8R2232), it was possible to obtain correct data display key information acquiring importance for the decision"

No doubt someone will argue the cartoon was run to establish a phony alibi while AK and RS ran to the cottage to commit murder at 9:27. (AK being a criminal mastermind and all.) But if 9:26 is merely the start time of the cartoon, I am satisfied that AK and RS didn't leave then.

Is 9:48 the time the cartoon ended? I seem to remember that time being mentioned as well. It isn't likely that AK and RS were walking out the door even then.

I think the computer alibis them until 10. At least that's a more likely time than 9:10.

 

[Nova]

Well, if she is innocent - and Sollecito as well - 15 years is a very long sentence for something one did not do. If guilty, it is a very short time (at least by US Draconian standards, where even involuntary manslaughter is often treated the same as premeditated murder in terms of prison sentences--A young guy of 19 got about 40 years for an accidental killing during a fight in Florida - horrifying to me). If she gets 15, then of course the crowd will dwindle, UNLESS something can be done to change things, in which case it will not. The 15 years will be wrong whatever way you look at it: If innocent, too long; if guilty, too short. Nothing to celebrate either way.:razz:

But don't you understand AK did CARTWHEELS and wore a T-SHIRT to court!? 15 years isn't nearly long enough!

 

[otto]

Saturday, court hears request for additional 40 days to complete DNA analysis report.

"In its explanation of its ruling last December rejecting Guede's appeal against his jail term, Italy's Supreme Court in February said that Kercher was killed by more than one person in a "brutal" and "orgiastic" attack."

http://www.adnkronos.com/IGN/Aki/En...xtra-40-days-in-Knox-appeal_312038848194.html

 

[dgfred]

But don't you understand AK did CARTWHEELS and wore a T-SHIRT to court!? 15 years isn't nearly long enough!

Yeah, that's what did it. Getting weaker and weaker there. :slap:

 

[Nova]

Mignini's closing of the CNN Interview:

25'32'' Mignini: I hope that, I do not know if it's over, think it’s over, I hope that there was a [..?.. *question] ..., there is one, a lot of different views, including the interpretation of events that occurred, that are very different. I tried, I didn’t have means because the judge is not allowed to speak much, and not much freely. I had read many times, I also received messages that were not exactly pleasant. Then also I read a lot of things that were totally unfounded and I hope I made a contribution. That means, you can have different opinions. I [think]… Sure, you can have different opinions, I, as the magistrate who works as a prosecutor; it was me in the investigation at the first instance trial and now as an assistant on appeal. You can have different opinions, I respect opinions but I expect that you do not put into question the good faith and intellectual honesty of the investigators, because there are no [*prejudices? reasons?] towards those young people who were totally unknown. We did what we deemed [was right] doing, what we found, which one may not subscribe to. I respect all opinions, but the ones who were responsible for conducting the investigation and supporting what is called the accusation, that anyway, let’s repeat it, is not an accusation but an organ of justice, [those ones] are us.

Mignini is an "assistant on appeal"?! No wonder AK's family isn't optimistic.

 

[SMK]

But don't you understand AK did CARTWHEELS and wore a T-SHIRT to court!? 15 years isn't nearly long enough!

Mayhap you are correct in this......:waitasec:

 

[otto]

But don't you understand AK did CARTWHEELS and wore a T-SHIRT to court!? 15 years isn't nearly long enough!

Ah yes ... those inappropriate, silly actions during the investigation and trial ... unfortunate facts that have been explained as a teenager doing what teenagers do. Right? Just a liitle girl from Seattle doing little girl things.

 

[SMK]

Mignini is an "assistant on appeal"?! No wonder AK's family isn't optimistic.

Right, I think the dye has been cast.

 

[otto]

Mignini is an "assistant on appeal"?! No wonder AK's family isn't optimistic.

I think the murderer's parents should be more concerned about the Supreme Court ruling (that Rudy did not act alone) than the fact that the prosecutors that tried the case are consultants during appeal.

 

[Nova]

Not sure what you mean. The 9:10 time was introduced during testimony and accepted by the jury as the correct time that the movie ended without someone turning it off.

According to ILE--who have demonstrated their incompetence with regard to computers by destroying three of them.

Whether the jury made the right decision is what we are discussing. Constantly invoking their supposed "authority" is begging the question and yet another logical fallacy.