Meredith Kercher murdered-Amanda Knox appeals conviction #13

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  • #181
Your discussing does not matter one iota, what THEY decided does.
 
  • #182
Prosecutors can be working 200 cases at the same time. I'm not going to consider a prosecutor a liar because he can't remember the details of a murder from 4 years ago. It may be oh so important to some, but the case is over except for tying up loose ends.

Wasn't it Amanda's DNA and Meredith's blood on the floor in Filomina's room?

200 cases? I think you're using a very loose meaning of the word "working." They may have that many cases pending, but I doubt they are seriously focused on more than a few at a time.

I think Malkmus' point was that EVERY misstatement by AK or RS is labeled a "lie" by ILE and a "whopper lie" by you. And yet a professional such as Mignini is held to a lower standard.

Prosecutors are advocates (even if Italian law tries to portray them as detached and unbiased). They know full well the significance of how they report evidence.
 
  • #183
I think the murderer's parents should be more concerned about the Supreme Court ruling (that Rudy did not act alone) than the fact that the prosecutors that tried the case are consultants during appeal.
This is the crux of it. If the High Court has ruled that: " Kercher was killed by more than one person in a brutal and orgiastic attack." then it would take some real independence and audacity to rule now that Guede in fact acted alone, or that 2 others must now be sought in Perugia. This is dark indeed.
 
  • #184
Unfortunate indeed. But it blows my mind how some here can defend stuff like the CNN thing... knowing/seeing it is not right, but not admitting it and start bringing up other little bits that can not be proven on a forum one way or another (as evidence of being innocent or 'railroaded').

I don't think anyone defended CNN. But we've discussed media bias at length here before, fred. I doubt you missed it.

There is no "story" if AK is guilty as charged and convicted. At this point, there's only a story if she was falsely convicted in a miscarriage of justice.

THAT is CNN's bias: having a story to fill air time.

As Malkmus has already pointed out, if there were some grand conspiracy against Mignini here, CNN could have withheld the transcript.
 
  • #185
Why would he be still working on a case that was tried a couple of years ago? The case is over for his part. He's not presenting, or arguing new evidence. There are 2 appeals, but that is only to review a very small piece of the long list of evidence that was presented for appeal by defense lawyers....

BBM: That's not what Mignini claims. In the transcript he claims he is an "assistant on appeal."
 
  • #186
If CNN wanted to report news, they would look at the entire case and report the facts, but instead they post pictures of a policewoman kicking in a door to another apartment, and imply that it is the door of the cottage. When they report on the little girl from Seattle, they add photos of the little girl in her soccer outfit. CNN should stop listening to people like Bremner and do a little fact checking. The woman from Seattle was convicted of murder by a jury. CNN should take some time to talk with the jurors if they want to know why she was convicted.

Anything copied over from the "Bruce Fisher" character's blog should be taken with a grain of salt. There is no question that he manipulates and alters information to fit his agenda.

What's with the "little girl" $hit?! Who calls her that other than you, otto?

She was relatively young and inexperienced at the time of the murder, but who says she was a child?
 
  • #187
Amanda's DNA mixed with Meredith's blood in Filomina's room means that Amanda was in Meredith's room and Filomina's room after the murder. I don't think it means anything about anyone else.

How do you reach this conclusion? I thought MK's blood was on the bathmat in AK's bathroom. AK didn't have to enter MK's room to step in MK's blood. (ETA and Malkmus has pointed out there is DNA from other females in the same sample. Were those unidentified females also in MK's room after the murder?)

For Mignini, the case is done. The appeals are nothing more than wrapping up loose ends.

Again, not what Mignini says, but why should we believe him?
 
  • #188
Anticipated but surely even you can not deny that they did in fact use 'trickery'. They actually changed some of his answers and reported to C.Dempsey some rather off-base things regarding Mignini and the case. Not to mention misleading the audience.

If you back 'that kind' of work and presentation, then I really don't know what to say... only there is no excuse for it IMO.

I second Malkmus' request for examples. You keep insisting we "can't deny" that CNN used trickery, but it seems you can't show it did.
 
  • #189
For Mignini, the case is done. The appeals are nothing more than wrapping up loose ends. Mignini himself comes across as far more tentative, humble, and not so cocksure. He said delicately, "I think - I hope - it is done."
 
  • #190
I second Malkmus' request for examples. You keep insisting we "can't deny" that CNN used trickery, but it seems you can't show it did.
I can only say that they seemed to splice it, so that Mignini came off as less learned, less professional, less sensitive, and more buffoonish. They had their own agenda, as Mignini has his. Mignini in the transcript sounds impartial and sensitive: UNTIL YOU COME TO THE MIXED BLOOD BIT. :banghead:
 
  • #191
Ah yes ... those inappropriate, silly actions during the investigation and trial ... unfortunate facts that have been explained as a teenager doing what teenagers do. Right? Just a liitle girl from Seattle doing little girl things.

That's only half the equation. The other half is ILE exaggerating if not outright lying to make their suspect look bad in the absence of actual evidence.
 
  • #192
I think the murderer's parents should be more concerned about the Supreme Court ruling (that Rudy did not act alone) than the fact that the prosecutors that tried the case are consultants during appeal.

All verbal jousting aside, surely you can understand why the Italian judicial system concerns those of us who look upon it from afar.

The prosecutor is considered a type of judge, not just an advocate for the State's case. The judges serve on the jury (and most likely dictate its verdict); so the same persons who deny defense motions get to later ignore those denials.

And now it turns out that the trial prosecutor serves as an assistant to the very appellate court that is supposed to review his work!

It's hard not to suspect the fix is in.

Has anyone seen stats on how many Italian criminal cases are actually overturned on appeal? I've heard it claimed the number is greater than in the U.S., but I haven't been able to find the actual data.
 
  • #193
I think the murderer's parents should be more concerned about the Supreme Court ruling (that Rudy did not act alone) than the fact that the prosecutors that tried the case are consultants during appeal.

Is that ruling now binding on the appellate court? Previously the opposite has been stated here.
 
  • #194
Saturday, court hears request for additional 40 days to complete DNA analysis report.

"In its explanation of its ruling last December rejecting Guede's appeal against his jail term, Italy's Supreme Court in February said that Kercher was killed by more than one person in a "brutal" and "orgiastic" attack."

http://www.adnkronos.com/IGN/Aki/En...xtra-40-days-in-Knox-appeal_312038848194.html

Still no evidence that the attack was "orgiastic" to anyone but Rudy Guede. But plenty of evidence that Italian courts are a joke.

How can court officers deny the testing of a purported semen stain and yet still conclude the attack was orgiastic?

I swear the more I learn about Italian courts, the more I am reminded of the old jokes about Italian trains (the latter proving entirely true when I was there).
 
  • #195
Your discussing does not matter one iota, what THEY decided does.

And yet here you are, day after day. :rolleyes:

(ETA I do agree with you. I follow this case because it interests me, not because I think I have any influence on Italian courts. I just think your pointing that out is a pot/kettle situation.)
 
  • #196
This is the crux of it. If the High Court has ruled that: " Kercher was killed by more than one person in a brutal and orgiastic attack." then it would take some real independence and audacity to rule now that Guede in fact acted alone, or that 2 others must now be sought in Perugia. This is dark indeed.

I agree. Too many powerful persons will be embarrassed if the verdicts are overturned. The Italian justice system is tailor-made to protect powerful persons among the judiciary.
 
  • #197
I agree. Too many powerful persons will be embarrassed if the verdicts are overturned. The Italian justice system is tailor-made to protect powerful persons among the judiciary.
It sure is looking that way, isn't it? :(
 
  • #198
It sure is looking that way, isn't it? :(

Unless they decide to scapegoat Stephanoni (I'm not sure about the spelling of that name), I don't see another possibility.
 
  • #199
Anticipated but surely even you can not deny that they did in fact use 'trickery'. They actually changed some of his answers and reported to C.Dempsey some rather off-base things regarding Mignini and the case. Not to mention misleading the audience.

If you back 'that kind' of work and presentation, then I really don't know what to say... only there is no excuse for it IMO.

Can you be more specific, please? What answers were changed? What "off-base" things were reported?
 
  • #200
I guess Migini was not in his very comfy bed and called in it appears that he was down the hallway

11’03’’ CNN: No one hit her?
11’06’’ Mignini: No, look, absolutely not. I can state this in the most positive way, and then, let’s say… I wasn’t there when she was being questioned by police, the rooms are quite far away… you don’t know but I was… it’s quite far, there’s a corridor, and I was with the director, Dr. Porfazio, and she was being questioned in a different place. I also remember that passing through, I also saw Sollecito who was alone in a different room; he was also being questioned, as I recall. I don’t exclude…well…it’s clear that I wasn’t there, but I don’t believe that anything whatsoever happened, and in my presence absolutely not.

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:
 
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