Meredith Kercher murdered-Amanda Knox appeals conviction #13

[otto]

read what I said.

Rinsed off does NOT = showered.

Sorry if you didn't get a chance to read that theory. Not my fault or problem.

I don't speak in proguilt language. I dn't know why you call it bathmat boogie, but that sounds extremely childish. AK said she used it as a towel because there were no towels.

You can reveal your theory as to how RS hopped his way into the bathroom, though.

Rudy is accounted for. How did Raffaele's bloody barefoot print end up on the bathmat? He walked out of the room, just like Rudy did when he went to the bathroom to get towels. The blood hadn't yet pooled, so there was no blood to track. When he returned (barefoot), just like Rudy, he stepped in the blood pool.

 

[wasnt_me]

again how did RS's footprint get in the bathroom? That's the question I asked you. I don't know why you are asking it back to me. and it sounds like you are admitting RG was barefoot.

Again, how did the murder weapon get to the crime scene when the report says the crime was not premeditated?

 

[wasnt_me]

Police had cell phone records by the time the pair were questioned on Nov 5.

What is Mig? Has the discussion deteriorated to making fun of people's names?

What she swore that night is that Patrick murdered Meredth ... she made the statement, signed the statement, repeated the statement after the prosecutor arrived, signed that statement, after her arrest, she wrote it again. That's what she swore to that night and all hell did break loose.

Otto, I don't know where you get that someone is making fun of Mig's name. I merely shortened it, like we do AK, RS, RG, etc. I don't know his first initial, so I said Mig. However, I have asked you several times not to assign motives to what I post. You have done it yet again. In light of this, I feel the conversation between us has indeed deterioriated, permanently. So I'm going to avoid posting to you and I would really, really love it if you would do the same.

 

[otto]

again how did RS's footprint get in the bathroom? That's the question I asked you. I don't know why you are asking it back to me. and it sounds like you are admitting RG was barefoot.

Again, how did the murder weapon get to the crime scene when the report says the crime was not premeditated?

The problem is that no one is talking, so we'll never know how it all happened in the cottage on the night of the murder. Your guess is as good as mine. I don't think anyone knows where Brad Cooper's wife was murdered other than "in the large house". That's the way it goes with murder ... there is evidence, but without a confession the details are a mystery.

 

[otto]

Otto, I don't know where you get that someone is making fun of Mig's name. I merely shortened it, like we do AK, RS, RG, etc. I don't know his first initial, so I said Mig. However, I have asked you several times not to assign motives to what I post. You have done it yet again. In light of this, I feel the conversation between us has indeed deterioriated, permanently. So I'm going to avoid posting to you and I would really, really love it if you would do the same.

By all means, use his initials, just like with AK, RS, RG.
If you want to use his initials, I'm sure you can find them on the internet with the other research into his past.

 

[Malkmus]

By all means, use his initials, just like with AK, RS, RG.
If you want to use his initials, I'm sure you can find them on the internet with the other research into his past.

You have referred to AK and RS as "The lovebirds" among other nicknames. Why the sudden urgency to use only initials or full names when you haven't been doing the same?!

 

[Malkmus]

What footprint matches Guede more so than Sollecito? The bathmat print? No one associated with the case has been able to argue that the longer, narrower footprint of Guede matches the shorter, wider bloody print on the bathmat.

People have used photoshop to mess with photos that they found on the internet to give the illusion that Rudy's foot is much smaller than it is ... there's a nice powerpoint made by someone named Kermit called Honey, I Shrunk the Black Kid about this. Every trick in the book has been used to try to distance Knox and Sollecito from the evidence, but those who had the actual images in their hands were stumped when trying to explain why Raffaele's foot was compatible with the print on the bathmat. In fact, I was able to match Knox's footprint with the bathmat print with a little photoshop magic.

Here is Raffaele's lawyer looking for an explanation

Since there's clearly no photo-shopping going on in the photo you posted, Otto, can you explain how what is supposed to be Raf's print goes from having a much wider triangle-shaped big toe to the more normal shaped and thinner one one on the right? I figure what Raf is pondering there is how anyone can think the prints are both his since they have such obviously different shaped big toes.

P.S. You'll notice I abbreviated Raffaele's name as I have done numerous times before. Obviously I'm not making fun of him by doing so.

 

[Malkmus]

Wouldn't this be the way to go? Instead of claiming contamination, conspiracy, misbehavior by everyone involved, no evidence, etc.

What does this have to do with Rudy taking a big risk by coming clean?

 

[Malkmus]

Whatever, post what you like. You are basically proving my point anyway.

And what would be your point?

 

[Malkmus]

According to today: the re-testers have received 'MAXIMUM COOPERATION' regarding materials needed for their inquiry. Another piece of propaganda bites the dust. Where is the 'they don't have the raw data' crowd???

You might want to check Otto's post citing the "experts were calling for "maximum collaboration". Not quite the same as what you're implying. You do understand that they just got the raw data after months of waiting for it, I hope.

The first bit of propaganda to bite the dust is: If all these 'new' witnesses say someone was with RG- the 'lone-wolf' theory has gone down in flames.
Oh no... I guess the Supreme Court's ruling the RG was CO-RESPONSIBLE AND CONTRIBUTING was absolutely correct any way it is looked at now.

The supreme court decision has no bearing on the appeal. If it did, there would be no appeal. You might also want to ask why the supreme court didn't just name the "collaborators" as specifically being AK and RS.

Another note: Since the re-testers want to see how the knife was collected from RS's... it seems they are verifying the original testing was VALID. So, no problems with Stefanoni's testing. Yep, that about does it for AK and RS IMO.

Not sure where you get your information, but the mere fact that the independent experts have just received the raw data means they will be reviewing Stefanoni's DNA readings. If anything, the fact the they are reviewing the analysis of the DNA and the collection method is anything but what you've just declared.

 

[cuppy199]

Please continue here.



Attention Please!


Before you begin,....in the last thread we had to remove several posts. If you don't agree with another poster, just move on to the next post.

Remember, attack the post and not the poster. This thread isn't about other posters, it's about Amanda Knox and her appeal. It seems they're going to court in just a couple of days. It would be a shame if we had to close this thread and you didn't have anywhere to discuss this case.

The bottom line is, please be nice to your fellow posters. If they don't agree, just agree to disagree and move on.

Thank you,
fran

Reposting for a friendly reminder so things dont get heated

 

[Nova]

I don't think he was doing that. We all know that we will never know exactly what went on in the cottage that night, and Rudy Guede isn't talking. It's reasonable to speculate on what might have happened - we are all doing that. We know that the prosecutors have put forth more than one possibility regarding the sequence of events that night. The defense has done the same. The bottom line is that the prosecution was more successful in arguing the case ... and the lovebirds were found guilty. I guess we'll see what the appeal decision is towards Halloween.

Why are you assuming that prosecution reflection and speculation on an old case means that the theory of the crime has changed?

The theory of the crime changed during the trial! It's perfectly reasonable to expect it has changed again.

But I was quoting Mignini, not speculating on his theories.

 

[Nova]

He couldn't have done that without a complaint from the offended parties. Police filed a complaint, the prosecutor was compelled to bring it forth. She has been charged by the justice system for an offense against the reputations of police throughout the country - as that is the result of letting stand false allegations: such as slapping around witnesses.

None of which has anything to do with what we were discussing. You suggested Mignini couldn't be expected to remember the Night of a Thousand Statements in 2007. I pointed out the events of that night are the subject of one of Mignini's cases.

Of course he can be expected to remember details that all of us here remember.

 

[Nova]

No, but it is rather different from being the one who wielded the knife to make the fatal wound....

Directing the murder or wielding the knife--either role would make her just as guilty.

To me, the greater significance of Mignini's countless theories of the crime is that if the evidence supports all of them, then it doesn't prove any one of them specifically.

 

[SMK]

Oggi? Wasn't that the magazine with the April Fools Joke?

So ... where did he bury the keys ... let's go dig them up? Or is that too simple - not enough of a mafeoso conspiracy?

I thought this was the guy with the pedophile brother in jail ... is this one of the other 5? I haven't paid much attention.

You did not make mention of a single valid point of all those that Barbie made. Obviously, he will come up with the goods, or not.

 

[SMK]

Directing the murder or wielding the knife--either role would make her just as guilty.

To me, the greater significance of Mignini's countless theories of the crime is that if the evidence supports all of them, then it doesn't prove any one of them specifically.

Right. But my point was that Mignini shows himself to be ranging all over the map with his theories. I guess we all are, but I thought he was more solid than that....

 

[SMK]

SMK, we've already gone over the logical theory as to how RG sat on the bed, took off his shoes, went to the bathroom, rinsed off in the shower, stepped on the mat ON HIS WAY OUT of the shower. Probably dried himself with the towels on that mat and took himself back in the murder room, where he put his shoes back on.

AK is the one who picked the bathmat up the next day and used it as a towel because no towels were in the bathroom. When she replaced it, she put it back with the footprint facing the shower instead of facing the door.

This would explain why she might possibly kind of, maybe had low nonexistent "Heamatic" substance on her feet (from the bathmat and the shower stall) and it would explain how any of MK's dna might could maybe almost have gotten into AK's room. If the bathmat was in taken to her room. If she wakled on that bathmat, walked OVER RG's already laid down prints in the corridor, this could account for her getting any kind of "traces" on her feet.

What I'd like to know is:

1. How did RS's 12 inch blade, 4 inch handle knife get to the cottage for an unintentional, unpremeditated murder?

2. How did it get out of the cottage and clean, back in the drawer without leaving blood and dna etc in someone's sink?

3. Why did it get cleaned and returned to the drawer, but the bathmat with the blood print visible from outerspace got left on the floor in plain sight?

4. Why, if AK and RS are working SO hard to clean ONLY traces of them from the crime scene do they leave the biggest, bloodiest print of all in the bathroom?

They really have to feel like fools for working THAT hard to clean EVERy single trace of them off of MK and out of her room, but then leave that print on that bathmat like that.

And indeed, they did work every hard because in RG's case they said his DNA was on the cuff of her sweater, indicating that RG had held her right hand down as her left was fighting him. So if AK and RS were also holding MK down, that means they somehow were able to get their DNA EVEN off MK's clothes, but leave RG's on the clothes.

Dooop! Except the one little half, maybe possibly could be RS's dna on that metal bra clasp hook.

That's amazing, man.

I know, I meant the prints attributed to Amanda. How do we know they were not there prior to the murder as she lived there, and must have walked barefoot in the cottage many times to and fro, from shower, etc.

 

[SMK]

@OttoNo, Luciano Aviello is the mobster who looks about age 12, whose brother fled Perugia and has not been seen since. He insists he put Kercher's keys and a bloody knife in a hiding place in a garden wall, after his brother told him they had just killed a woman on Nov. 1. They should go see. If it is a lie, then forget about his testimony.....

 

[SMK]

What is Mig? Has the discussion deteriorated to making fun of people's names?

You mean "Migs", the jolly old Perugian Prosecutor? :floorlaugh: Joking....a little levity never hurts....:innocent::seeya:

 

[SMK]

So Mignini must have looked for the buried key and knife: Obviously, they were not found. So why does the defense want this guy testifying? Unless (gulp) Mignini found them and hid them?


Mignini told CNN on Thursday he couldn't comment much on Aviello's assertions because "we need to verify his claims, in general, all of what he is saying."

Mignini said he has not yet interviewed Aviello, but will begin looking into his background as part of an investigation. That investigation will include checking out the burial of the key.http://lunaticoutpost.com/Topic-Italian-Mobster-s-Confession-Amanda-Knox-Innocent-His-Brother-Did-It