Meredith Kercher murdered-Amanda Knox appeals conviction #13

[Nova]

I suppose it depends on whether the discussion is about the trial, and trial evidence (like the CV of qualified court experts), or whether the discussion is about the people that are merely doing their jobs. For example, in the trial of Casey Anthony, the neighbor's (shovel) personal history is not relevant, nor is the prosecutor's CV. If there is an expert, his or her CV is entered into trial testimony and part of the trial discussion.

Do you think that the personal details of the prosecutors in the Anthony trial should be open for discussion and criticism?

If he does his job as badly as Mignini, then yes, by all means! I don't think a prosecutor's children or home phone number should be exposed, but I see nothing wrong with looking at issues like conviction rates, the types of convictions he has obtained, charges of and convictions for misconduct, training as an investigator--in short, anything that reflects on his job performance.

I especially think that's fair game when posters such as yourself anoint prosecutors as experts by quoting them as authorities to support your arguments.

 

[Allusonz]

Some Italian lawmakers claim Amanda Knox was treated unfairly and are seeking a probe of the prosecutors' office in Perugia, the city where the American student was convicted of murdering her British roommate

The petition to Justice Minister Angelino Alfano was signed by 11 lawmakers, all members of Premier Silvio Berlusconi's coalition. It asks Alfano to consider sending inspectors to judicial offices in Perugia — a move that is considered very serious in Italy and is typically read as a sign of discontent from Rome.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/artic...ernational/i044250D17.DTL#ixzz1NSnkSfGN(05-26

 

[Allusonz]

Blog opinions aren't news or factual.

"The two independent scientific experts from La Sapienza university in Rome told the court Saturday they had received emails and CDs with all the additional data they had requested from police biologist Patrizia Stefanoni and had enough information necessary to make their determination about the reliability of the two controversial pieces of evidence."

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/arti...ays-in-appeal-trial-1390009.php#ixzz1NOqC1ahW

Yes they can be and are. It just takes one to look at the DATES the blogs were written it would help greatly

 

[SMK]

Some Italian lawmakers claim Amanda Knox was treated unfairly and are seeking a probe of the prosecutors' office in Perugia, the city where the American student was convicted of murdering her British roommate

The petition to Justice Minister Angelino Alfano was signed by 11 lawmakers, all members of Premier Silvio Berlusconi's coalition. It asks Alfano to consider sending inspectors to judicial offices in Perugia — a move that is considered very serious in Italy and is typically read as a sign of discontent from Rome.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/artic...ernational/i044250D17.DTL#ixzz1NSnkSfGN(05-26

Wow, thanks for that link: This excerpt from the piece is striking:

05-26) 07:25 PDT ROME, Italy (AP) --

Some Italian lawmakers claim Amanda Knox was treated unfairly and are seeking a probe of the prosecutors' office in Perugia, the city where the American student was convicted of murdering her British roommate.

The request to the Italian justice minister Thursday is spearheaded by a lawmaker who has frequently visited Knox in prison and written a positive book about her. The lawmaker also sent a letter to the Italian president seeking his intervention to avert any controversies arising from the case.

Both the petition and the letter cast doubt on the prosecution's case, alleging that an appeals trial currently under way has undermined the reliability of evidence originally collected against the former exchange student from Seattle, Washington. They also maintain that Knox, who has been in jail since before her conviction, should not have been kept behind bars.

"These distortions, not without reason, are fueling accusations against the administration of justice in our country," lawmaker Rocco Girlanda said in the letter, which was given to The Associated Press.

The petition to Justice Minister Angelino Alfano was signed by 11 lawmakers, all members of Premier Silvio Berlusconi's coalition. It asks Alfano to consider sending inspectors to judicial offices in Perugia — a move that is considered very serious in Italy and is typically read as a sign of discontent from Rome.

 

[Allusonz]

It is. Experts are qualified by the judge, and if this guy was qualified by the judge in Perugia, it's a very well kept secret.

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

 

[SMK]

Yes they can be and are. It just takes one to look at the DATES the blogs were written it would help greatly

The particular blog I quoted from is very scholarly and robust, and I do take it very seriously as a source. I knew that it was written before the matter was resolved , but that was not really my focus: Just what it took to get Stefanoni to finally comply. But as it was pointed out that the matter was resolved, I then made it a point to say the post was from prior. But that was not really my focus; the initial refusals and procrastination on the part of PS were.

 

[Allusonz]

The particular blog I quoted from is very scholarly and robust, and I do take it very seriously as a source. I knew that it was written before the matter was resolved , but that was not really my focus: Just what it took to get Stefanoni to finally comply. But as it was pointed out that the matter was resolved, I then made it a point to say the post was from prior. But that was not really my focus; the initial refusals and procrastination on the part of PS were.

Yes did understand that but it is also important to note that the experts only received the files requested 2 days before the court date

sorry still at office and have meetings will try and catch up later this evening

 

[OldSteve]

Amanda, upon seeing the blood and other irregularities in the cottage, could have called Filomina or Raffaele and report the situation. According to her, she got the mop, walked through Perugia with a mop at noon (no one reported seeing someone with a mop), had lunch and supposedly mopped a water spill from 16 hours earlier, then mentioned the situation to Raffaele, then called made some phone calls.

That doesn't strike me as someone that was intimidated. Surely she was sensible enough that if she arrived home in Seattle to find the front door open and blood on the bathmat, she would have known what to do.

After reading about AK using a messy bath mat as a towel - there's no telling what she would do.

I don't think we can figure out the things she did outside of MK's room - so I keep harping on "find some solid evidence in MK's room to show AK was in there.... find pictures of marks/bruises on AK. etc... witnesses.... But if all that can be found is the bra clip, and a knife with DNA that could have gotten on it because it was in proximity to where AK's DNA would normally be - then I cannot convict her"

 

[Nova]

Some Italian lawmakers claim Amanda Knox was treated unfairly and are seeking a probe of the prosecutors' office in Perugia, the city where the American student was convicted of murdering her British roommate

The petition to Justice Minister Angelino Alfano was signed by 11 lawmakers, all members of Premier Silvio Berlusconi's coalition. It asks Alfano to consider sending inspectors to judicial offices in Perugia — a move that is considered very serious in Italy and is typically read as a sign of discontent from Rome.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/artic...ernational/i044250D17.DTL#ixzz1NSnkSfGN(05-26

Wow! This may be the first time I've had a glimmer of hope that justice might be done in Perugua. Emphasize might.

 

[Nova]

I have seen the tape of the techs collecting and playing catch with the "bra clasp", but until I read Frank's blog I didn't realize the event was broadcast live in Italy.

VERY, VERY suspicious, if you ask me! Why would ILE take a chance on broadcasting unless they knew they would find something?

 

[dgfred]

Wow! This may be the first time I've had a glimmer of hope that justice might be done in Perugua. Emphasize might.

Doesn't all that 'stuff' come from that guy Girlanda? IMO he is out of his 'department' and doesn't know squat about the case anyway.

 

[dgfred]

Wow, thanks for that link: This excerpt from the piece is striking:

05-26) 07:25 PDT ROME, Italy (AP) --

Some Italian lawmakers claim Amanda Knox was treated unfairly and are seeking a probe of the prosecutors' office in Perugia, the city where the American student was convicted of murdering her British roommate.

The request to the Italian justice minister Thursday is spearheaded by a lawmaker who has frequently visited Knox in prison and written a positive book about her. The lawmaker also sent a letter to the Italian president seeking his intervention to avert any controversies arising from the case.

Both the petition and the letter cast doubt on the prosecution's case, alleging that an appeals trial currently under way has undermined the reliability of evidence originally collected against the former exchange student from Seattle, Washington. They also maintain that Knox, who has been in jail since before her conviction, should not have been kept behind bars.

"These distortions, not without reason, are fueling accusations against the administration of justice in our country," lawmaker Rocco Girlanda said in the letter, which was given to The Associated Press.

The petition to Justice Minister Angelino Alfano was signed by 11 lawmakers, all members of Premier Silvio Berlusconi's coalition. It asks Alfano to consider sending inspectors to judicial offices in Perugia — a move that is considered very serious in Italy and is typically read as a sign of discontent from Rome.

Oh...... Rocco :dramaqueen:

 

[dgfred]

I have seen the tape of the techs collecting and playing catch with the "bra clasp", but until I read Frank's blog I didn't realize the event was broadcast live in Italy.

VERY, VERY suspicious, if you ask me! Why would ILE take a chance on broadcasting unless they knew they would find something?

You could also turn that around a bit:

Since the defense representative was there and was broadcast to Italians... would they do anything to sabotage/hurt the case right in front of them?

 

[Malkmus]

I have seen the tape of the techs collecting and playing catch with the "bra clasp", but until I read Frank's blog I didn't realize the event was broadcast live in Italy.

VERY, VERY suspicious, if you ask me! Why would ILE take a chance on broadcasting unless they knew they would find something?

Not only was it broadcast live, and not only did they happen to find the the key piece of forensic evidence against Rafaelle in that broadcast, but it was the day after his family revealed on TV that the bloody prints ILE had matched to his shoes were not a match at all. So, in other words, the day after Raf's family proved the evidence tying their son to this crime was false, ILE pulls the bra clasp out on national TV. That's a huge coincidence.

 

[Malkmus]

Doesn't all that 'stuff' come from that guy Girlanda? IMO he is out of his 'department' and doesn't know squat about the case anyway.

Can you back that up with anything? Or that the other 11 lawmakers are also "out of their departments", whatever that means?

 

[dgfred]

Yeah, read what was written in the article. I don't recall saying anything about the 'others'.

 

[SMK]

Doesn't all that 'stuff' come from that guy Girlanda? IMO he is out of his 'department' and doesn't know squat about the case anyway.

He seems to have very solid backing, and it is being taken quite seriously. In any case, it is out on Associated Press international....

 

[otto]

If he does his job as badly as Mignini, then yes, by all means! I don't think a prosecutor's children or home phone number should be exposed, but I see nothing wrong with looking at issues like conviction rates, the types of convictions he has obtained, charges of and convictions for misconduct, training as an investigator--in short, anything that reflects on his job performance.

I especially think that's fair game when posters such as yourself anoint prosecutors as experts by quoting them as authorities to support your arguments.

Would a high conviction rate indicate that the prosecutor is particularly excellent at his or her job, or that he or she likes to persecute the innocent?

Prosecutors are officers of the court doing a job. They're qualified before they're hired ... it has nothing to do with me.

 

[otto]

Can you back that up with anything? Or that the other 11 lawmakers are also "out of their departments", whatever that means?

So now Raffaele's lawyer is trying to mix politics with law?

 

[dgfred]

He seems to have very solid backing, and it is being taken quite seriously. In any case, it is out on Associated Press international....

Quite seriously by who?