Meredith Kercher murdered-Amanda Knox appeals conviction #13

[otto]

Do you have a link for that claim? TIA.

A link for what ... the appeal decision? No. That information should be widely available on the internet. Google search should give you whatever you need.

 

[otto]

I think even otto realizes there's no actual evidence against Amanda Knox--since he has yet again trotted out the photo of her posing with a machine gun as a joke.

You described Knox as a hippy the other day. I posted a photo taken shortly before the murder - where it is rather obvious that Knox is no hippy.

 

[otto]

I know, Otto, but this was taken by her Aunt in a museum, at the request of her Aunt. She really was a neo-hippie. :razz:

That's not true. Knox and her sister Deanna were together having a fun time, taking photos.

 

[Nova]

Quite true, the victim and her family are not on trial. It is important to respect that victim and her family. They are confident that the legal system in Italy proceeded as it should and that the end result was a just verdict.

The evidence against the murderers was accepted by a jury and the unanimous decision of guilty was decided. This decision does not imply that the jury retreated, it implies that there was overwhelming evidence of guilt. The victim's family has said that it is an offense to them for the murderers to be cheered on and treated like celebrities.

Suggestions that I know what Knox thinks, or speak for the victim's family, are absurd. The victim's family has spoken for themselves, and I think it is important for us to pay attention to the victim and her family. This site seems to be all about the poor little murderers, so obviously someone has to mention the victim once in a while - to restate their position regarding the guilty parties. Is that a problem?

We all want justice for Meredith Kercher, which is why it ridiculous (and somewhat offensive) that you claim to have some special concern in that regard.

But since you have such faith in the infallibility of the Italian judicial system, may I assume that if the appellate court overturns the verdicts, you will immediately agree that AK and RS are innocent?

Seems only fair.

 

[Nova]

A link for what ... the appeal decision? No. That information should be widely available on the internet. Google search should give you whatever you need.

Despite months and hundreds of pages of discussion, I have yet to see a clear summary of Italian appellate procedures. Yes, I know what the appeals courts has asked to see thus far; but I've seen nothing that prevents them from deciding to consider additional issues in the future.

And at least some sites claim that what is unique about the Italian appellate system is that the appeals court reviews the ENTIRE case, and not just instances of trial error as in the American system.

Does this mean the areas not currently under review have been considered and dismissed? Or does it merely mean the appeals court is concentrating first and foremost on the DNA?

I honestly don't know, nor have I seen a credible explanation, despite claims pro and con on the internet.

 

[Nova]

You described Knox as a hippy the other day. I posted a photo taken shortly before the murder - where it is rather obvious that Knox is no hippy.

That photo was obviously a joke--unless you think Knox was seriously defending Germany from the invading Allies.

Being a hippy doesn't mean one surrenders one's sense of humor.

 

[otto]

Regarding the appeal decisions: this website seems to have collected all the information and links: http://www.truejustice.org/ee/index.php?/tjmk/C431/

 

[Nova]

Regarding the appeal decisions: this website seems to have collected all the information and links: http://www.truejustice.org/ee/index.php?/tjmk/C431/

What? All of a sudden we're supposed to trust blogs?

Seriously, thanks. I'll go over that info as soon as I can.

 

[otto]

We all want justice for Meredith Kercher, which is why it ridiculous (and somewhat offensive) that you claim to have some special concern in that regard.

But since you have such faith in the infallibility of the Italian judicial system, may I assume that if the appellate court overturns the verdicts, you will immediately agree that AK and RS are innocent?

Seems only fair.

Meredith's family believes that justice has been served. They do not agree that the murderers should be treated as celebrities and victims. The Kerchers do not believe that the Italians are corrupt, incompetent, or prone to conspiracy theories.

If justice for Meredith is the objective, and the victim's family - who speak for the victim - believe justice has been done, then why so many suggestions that there is something wrong with the justice system and the verdict?

 

[otto]

That photo was obviously a joke--unless you think Knox was seriously defending Germany from the invading Allies.

Being a hippy doesn't mean one surrenders one's sense of humor.

That photo of Knox is not of a hippy by any stretch of the imagination.

 

[SMK]

That's not true. Knox and her sister Deanna were together having a fun time, taking photos.

But she really did identify as a neo-hippie.....

 

[otto]

What? All of a sudden we're supposed to trust blogs?

Seriously, thanks. I'll go over that info as soon as I can.

Feel free to ignore the link and search the links yourself. As I said, all the news links to the appeal are on that linked page.

 

[SMK]

That photo of Knox is not of a hippy by any stretch of the imagination.

She was not trying to look like a hippie in the pic; that is the humor of it. :razz:

 

[otto]

But she really did identify as a neo-hippie.....

That may be the persona she wanted to portray in the courtroom, but that's not the persona she portrayed shortly before the murder.

 

[SMK]

Meredith's family believes that justice has been served. They do not agree that the murderers should be treated as celebrities and victims. The Kerchers do not believe that the Italians are corrupt, incompetent, or prone to conspiracy theories.

If justice for Meredith is the objective, and the victim's family - who speak for the victim - believe justice has been done, then why so many suggestions that there is something wrong with the justice system and the verdict?

As much as we can feel deep sympathy and compassion for the Kerchers, of course they may be wrong.

 

[otto]

She was not trying to look like a hippie in the pic; that is the humor of it. :razz:

She is not a hippy. She's a woman of her own time who enjoys sitting behind a machine gun laughing her head off because that's what she thinks is funny. That hippy thing of peace, love and anti-war has nothing to do with Knox.

 

[otto]

As much as we can feel deep sympathy and compassion for the Kerchers, of course they may be wrong.

Would you ever say that about Laci Peterson's mother? That she is simply wrong? What about all the other victims where the guilty parties complain that their sweet little angel couldn't have committed murder? Is it reasonable to suggest that after the verdict, the victim's family is simply wrong and the guilty parties are the victims?

 

[wasnt_me]

It just goes to show that ILE had WORSE than tunnel vision: they actively avoided testing anything that might point to a perp other than AK or RS.

what's worse, they avoided even RECOGNIZING the stains. according to the appeals document, the independent expert is the one who found them and said they were plainly, visible yellowed stains.

 

[otto]

Despite months and hundreds of pages of discussion, I have yet to see a clear summary of Italian appellate procedures. Yes, I know what the appeals courts has asked to see thus far; but I've seen nothing that prevents them from deciding to consider additional issues in the future.

And at least some sites claim that what is unique about the Italian appellate system is that the appeals court reviews the ENTIRE case, and not just instances of trial error as in the American system.

Does this mean the areas not currently under review have been considered and dismissed? Or does it merely mean the appeals court is concentrating first and foremost on the DNA?

I honestly don't know, nor have I seen a credible explanation, despite claims pro and con on the internet.

Would you prefer if I copied all the news links from the Meredith Kercher website appeals page and post them here?

 

[wasnt_me]

What is YOUR logic here?

If the semen stain belongs to MK's boyfriend, I'll agree it could have been deposited at any time prior to the murder. But if the stain belongs to RS, say, then the same principle applies as the bra DNA. And if the stain belongs to someone other than RS OR RG, then we have a whole new set of questions to ask.

Your smug satisfaction with sloppy police work and miscarriages of justice in Italy does you no credit.

The same logic that applies to the semen stain should apply to the bra clasp. How in the world do we know that RS and MK DID NOT have a chance encounter that caused his DNA to get there? If it is in fact truly his DNA on it. If they say they cannot date the semen, then it should hold true that they cannot date the DNA on the bra clasp, whether it's his or not. This must be true since they discounted the other dna that was also found on the clasp. they didn't identify whose that was either. Why?