Meredith Kercher murdered-Amanda Knox appeals conviction #14

[Nova]

No, because I never learned how. Embarrassing... yes.

I haven't asked to be provided a link if there is something I can go on my own and look at... so that is the courtesy I provided by giving the site/column/and page the pictures were on. Sorry, best I could do.

I'm sorry, fred, I too thought you were deliberately refusing to provide links just to make us do extra work.

Here's how to embed:

Go to the page you want to cite, "select" the http line and copy it (ALT+C on PC, COMMAND+C on Mac).

Then paste that text into the body of your message (ALT+V or COMMAND+V) and add a couple of returns after it.

If you learn to do so, I think you'll get better responses to your posts. I know I for one almost always click on links to see what the poster has been reading.

And if you were kidding about not knowing how to link and the joke is on me, well, then, "Ha! Ha!"

 

[Nova]

My question was: If it was tested and the results implicated RS or even AK... would you accept the testing? Which testing results have you accepted as accurate so far?

I will accept any test results that conform to international testing standards.

 

[SMK]

Fred: Another way, is to highlight the link with your mouse, then right click, and click on "copy". then come to the post, and click on "paste".

 

[SkewedView]

Just noting this, not sure why:

A self-described Amanda Knox fan must stand trial for “religious insult” after creating an artwork that depicts the U.S. college student with–get set for the illegal part–Pope Giovanni Paolo II.

Francesco Di Ruggerio was arrested after trying twice to put this Knox/Papa photomontage directly into her hands in court. “Dreams don’t end in prison,” he wrote on the tribute.

Amanda and co-defendant Raffaele Sollecito are appealing their conviction for the slashing death of her British roommate Meredith Kercher in Perugia, Italy, nearly four years ago.

Lest Francesco’s devotion seem merely comical, if not demented, Italy’s Caffé News has posted an interview (see below), translated into English specifically for U.S. readers.

‎”He brought a photomontage of Amanda Knox and the Holy Father to be given to her family,” the story points out. “But his plan failed in the courtroom: arrested by police officers, he was taken to police headquarters, where they proceeded with his identification. His photomontage was seized and he was charged with the violation of law 403 of penal code (which concerns insults to official religion). He would be guilty of religion insult.”http://blog.seattlepi.com/dempsey/2011/06/15/amanda-knox-fan-busted-for-religious-insult/

Wow, the guy is a nutter (I could definitely agree with stalking charges here, maybe contempt of court etc), but really, insulting a religion is a criminal offense in Italy? Yet another Italian law that violates the EU charter, but would be quite familiar to someone in Iran...

 

[ziggy]

Nobody at all has testified that it IS a semen stain. It is the 'hope' of supporters that IF it is, it is someone besides RG (the lone-wolf :innocent: )
or RS.

'a narcissistic pervert with no morals'...... wow. Could you have the accused and the prosecutor mixed up? Maybe, no?

Dude; it's a stain on a pillow and wasn't a pillow found to be under MK's hips? And wasn't the killer on her bed? I don't care if it's a glob of hair gel we have a murder case here and it should flat out BE TESTED. You can't argue that bro montana. You just can't.

No: I think from what I've learned about Amanda in these many months and what I've learned about bloated Mig - his sick mind is the one we should worry about.

 

[dgfred]

I would accept it, and I wager Nova would too. It would seem very clear cut, and not murky as the other ones. If it implicated Knox and Sollecito, so be it.:snooty: ETAI had WANTED to accept all of the original evidence. I was not suspicious, until it was pointed out to be faulty by BF and RH.:razz:

But...... what if Dr.S did the testing :waitasec: if it is possible to test?

 

[wasnt_me]

Grats on 1000 posts !!!

What they can tell is if the profiles are male or female. What they cannot tell from the mixed profiles when both are female since the sink etc would be full of various DNA from the people living there is which comes from which person when the gender is the same. The brushing teeth example and a drop of blood is a great example that SV used

Are you serious? So all they can tell from the mixed DNA/blood sample is that it's two different women?

:cupcake:

Yea, 1,000!

 

[wasnt_me]

BBM

I believe this has been tested as well. Just because there are other things in close proximity does not mean it cannot be tested. I believe that the results simply did not support it being RS's

Confused.

Thought the Mot report said they did not test the semen stain and couldn't even say it was a semen stain.

At the hearing of December 4 the Defence for Sollecito concluded the rebuttals, submitting a memorandum evidencing that on the site of the inspection of May 25, 2009, on the pillowcase of the pillow found in the victim’s room some stains had

been found with the ‚crimescope‛ that could have been spermatic in nature and that these had not been the object of any genetic analysis. In relation to this contention, various questions were raised as to the necessity of testing relative to these stains. 21-22

 

[dgfred]

http://perugiamurderfile.org/gallery/image_page.php?album_id=21&image_id=1231

Hope this works, thanks guys and gals.

 

[dgfred]

Fred: Another way, is to highlight the link with your mouse, then right click, and click on "copy". then come to the post, and click on "paste".

Thanks pal, that was easy. Where have you been the last 10 years of my internetting? :tyou:

 

[wasnt_me]

ullhair:

Is there a little smiley thingy that is shown screaming in frustration and pulling all of its hair out??? Cuz I need that one to demonstrate my reaction to this - ON WHAT PLANET IS A SEMEN STAIN NOT RELEVANT TO A SO-CALLED "SEX GAME GONE BAD" MURDER? I'm sorry but I'm not going to mince words: the prosecutor is an effing narcissistic pervert with a giant gaping black hole where a moral compass should be.

ullhair:

Hope that helps!:crazy:

 

[SkewedView]

Yeah right, she perjured herself... but they let it slide. Is that twisting of words to again fit a certain agenda/program? Interesting how here and other blogs some think she perjured/lied on the stand, but the Italian court did nothing about it. Oh yeah, just another facet of the 'conspiracy' against AK :innocent: .

Discussed here and the links to supporting 'stories' doesn't count as valid IMO. They are just opinions.

Is it the evil prosecutor, the misleading media, poor evidence collection, poor testing methods, perjury on the stand missed, a vast Italian conspiracy, or what that got her convicted??? It gets confusion when you guys throw every little piece of 'mud' against the wall hoping one will stick. So far none have.

I really should be sleeping instead of blabbing away, so I'm going to stick with just this response for tonight...

It is very rare for anyone testifying for the state to get charged with perjury, whether in the US or Italy, even when it is blatant and involves other offenses such as withholding discovery documentation. Instead, at least in the US, their total testimony is vulnerable to getting tossed in appeals, and in addition, US prosecutors keep a black list of unreliable and 'poisoned' LEOs and experts that they refuse to call to the stand. Stephonini got caught in a bald-faced lie, along with withholding discovery documents from the defense, and that is a documented fact, one that would have earned her a prominent place on the aforementioned blacklist had she been in the US (I wouldn't be surprised if the Italian prosecutors have a similar list). The additional fact that Massei continued to take her word as gold shows his bias.

IMO, that act of willful perjury renders her already completely subjective conclusions regarding the footprints dubious at best. And yes, those conclusions were already shaky, given that the tests to confirm blood came up negative (something we tellingly wouldn't have known had she gotten away with her little game). Sure, the speed of the luminol reaction can help to indicate that it could be blood, but with 300 other substances that the stuff interacts with, many of which are commonly found around the household (and no, I'm not talking about freakin fruit juice), conclusions based entirely on speed of interaction are generally regarded by certification boards as being unreliable.

Regarding the 'mud' accusation - AK & RS, like many before them worldwide, found themselves buried underneath a multitude of flaws that have become more and more prevalent in most legal systems in the 'developed world'. Incestuous interactions between LE, Prosecutors and the Judiciary (and no, I don't mean that in a sexual manner) that help to create bias in systems that already heavily favor the state for purely financial reasons; lax control over the interactions between LE and the media in criminal cases; little to no limitations on the manner in which suspects are interviewed; a 'win at any cost' attitude amongst the agents of the state (prosecutors, LE, techs etc) that can lead to things like testa-lying and withholding evidence from the defense; no real consequences for doing so (not even in lawsuits, gotta love that immunity!); the tendency of innocent people to trust LE to have their best interests at heart (dumb, dumb, dumb!); forensic techs wanting to be on the bleeding edge of new techniques without having the proper equipment or training...and more.

These are all common denominators amongst false prosecutions worldwide, largely caused by a gradual but steady erosion in personal rights combined with a steady increase in authoritarianism in the 'free world' over the past four decades. And no, such things are not 'rare', as civil rights organizations have been discovering, much to their dismay. One would think that the prevalence of Prosecutors with 90+% conviction rates might have been a clue.

 

[wasnt_me]

Oh ok, the Beast and Candace... I get it. Maybe you should put 'Keystone Journalist' instead :crazy: .

People who use TJMK should definitely not dare put-down other people's sources. Seriously.

 

[wasnt_me]

RS's appeal discusses the semen stain at length:

"It is reasonable to assume that it is a stain of semen, which
assume a clear emphasis in this case, which assumed a
erotic-sexual motive.
The spot, although obvious to the naked eye, was never found in it,
or analyzed. These investigations were not carried out even after the findings of
defense consultant.
With memory, filed on December 4, 2009, the defense has made "several
questions the need for investigations related to such spots "(p. 9 above).
The Court, rejecting any claim on this point, the motivation, "also
admit the nature of these sperm stains on the genetic investigation
not allow their dating in general and in particular not
would determine which were affixed on the night Meredith was
killed. As also shown that Meredith had an active sex life and that
sometimes had relationships in their rooms (see paragraph on the statements of
Her boyfriend James Silence) that investigation, in addition to not assume the character
the absolute need for l.impossibilità dating (see this aspect
As explained by genetics experts), could provide an outcome
irrelevant even to admit the nature of sperm stains
same and is therefore engaged in purely exploratory, not
permitted at this stage of the case because it lacks the requirement dell.assoluta
need instead required "(p. 382 above).
With regard to what is stated in the sentence can not be observed:
1 - The prudence with which it was assessed non-dating of the track would
have led the Court to deal with the same caution all other
biological traces (especially on the hook).
Basically, the problem of non-dating of biological traces
is highlighted exclusively to justify the decision not to
further analysis, requested by this defense, on which traces of nature
(Sperm) and location (on the pillow placed under the body of
Meredith) were of obvious importance to establish the facts.
~ 33
2 - It is very unlikely that Meredith could sleep on a pillow
stained with semen.
3 - The affixing of the night of track in question is supported by
Another factor noted by defense counsel.
Prof. Vinci, through the use of Crimescope, found on the same pillow,
also an imprint of a shoe with concentric circles, which seemed the obvious
luminescent.
Since the biological traces Crimescope shows the luminescence of
fingerprint door reasonably to believe that he was wearing that shoe,
first stepped on the spots above stated, then, with the same
shoe, go to smear the pillowcase.
The presence of an identical material on the spots and then sull'orma shoe
leads to the conclusion that the two stains were applied simultaneously.
4 - The analysis of those tracks, then, requires a deeper way
necessary, whose outcome promises anything but irrelevant.
5 - In order, then, given the incompatibility of such assessment with phase
hearing (as indicated by the Court p. 382), one can not absolve
dall'evidenziare that the data on the presence of traces on the cover,
emerged only in the preliminary hearing.
6 - Finally, it is important to stress that the deepening investigation appears
crucial today more than ever before in light of statements made by
Mario Joseph Alessi, heard in the defensive investigations Feb. 20, 2010.
Alessi said some confidences received directly from Rudy Guede
the prison in Viterbo, where both were held, namely that the murder
was made by Rudy in competition with another person, never identified.
Alessi also to report the motive and the dynamics of aggression, as
indicated by Guede, said: - Guede and his friend allegedly engaged in, the young Englishman lying
ground, sexual acts clearly identified: the first activity of masturbation and
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the second attempt at oral sex (note of those spots where sperm
into the cover could conceivably be the test); - The name of the friend of Guede, present at the scene, has never
indicated by the latter. It seems quite clear the importance of analysis of trace organic
above, in order to establish or exclude the presence of a person other than
by the current defendants".

There's even more. Info than that. See the appeal for exact page numbers. Search the doc for semen. The doc is now in my signature.

 

[dgfred]

Here it is:
Maybe on the 21st the inmates will claim they know who actually 'did it'.
But wait... does that mean the RG did not act alone, no lone wolf? Does that mean that someone killed Meredith with RG, they broke in thru the window, but no evidence of anyone else? How could that happen if it is not possible for AK to leave no evidence in the murder room... how could they not? Are the jurors and witnesses going to take a field trip to the wall the knife and keys are buried in? Will they go free when they 'find' the knife and keys? What a celebration that will be. Did the real murderers 'stage' a burglary? Did RG really have a 'date' with Meredith? Did the 'real' murderer set him up with a staged scene. Was the break-in staged or not... why would real thieves stage a break in, why would they kill Meredith? What? No motive to, what would that matter? Why did the real killer take his shoes off? Why would some areas be cleaned and others not? Why did RG not call 911 if he was not involved? Why would he leave his poo and footprints? Did he think the real killer might clean them for him and flush for him... his 'partner' seems to have let him down? If it was his partner or he was involved, why hurry away? Was there a scream... surely not? Were people really running away... surely not?
Those rascal thieves just knew they would get high-dollar stuff from the student and young ladies cottage (fine art, silverware, electronics, rent money, phones, and credit cards) and waited for nobody to be home. Did the scream make them run away without taken the merchandise with them? What scream? Did he/they run away because poo-boy scared him/them emerging from the bathroom? It is all so confusing.

 

[dgfred]

People who use TJMK should definitely not dare put-down other people's sources. Seriously.

Who used TJMK and what is wrong with it?

Have you gandered at the mop/bucket? :innocent:

 

[wasnt_me]

After reading the information about the semen stains above, those who uphold the court in all its decisions, must agree then, with the court on all the following:

1. the semen stain cannot be dated, therefore the court was right not to allow testing or admission. However, the same people who believe this must also believe that the supposed DNA on the bra clasp cannot be dated either.They must also believe that the clean and tidy MK possibly didn't wash her sheet and cases for weeks at a time.

2. They must also believe that however long RG's bloody footprint was on the floor, the same substance was also in that footprint and on the floor. So in essence, MK really was a vampire since she had footprints in her own blood and with semen in them on her floor while she was still alive. I mean, this is what the court is saying when they say that the substance, which is on the pillow case and also in RG's bloody footprint cannot be dated.

Since the Defense has raised the stain in the appeal with its reasons for contesting, it cannot be denied that the court refused to test stains on a pillow and in bloody footprints during a sex/murder game. Even worse, the same people who took 47 days to find the bra clasp didn't even find the substance stain. defense experts did.

 

[ohiogirl]

Yeah right, she perjured herself... but they let it slide. Is that twisting of words to again fit a certain agenda/program? Interesting how here and other blogs some think she perjured/lied on the stand, but the Italian court did nothing about it. Oh yeah, just another facet of the 'conspiracy' against AK :innocent: .

Discussed here and the links to supporting 'stories' doesn't count as valid IMO. They are just opinions.

Is it the evil prosecutor, the misleading media, poor evidence collection, poor testing methods, perjury on the stand missed, a vast Italian conspiracy, or what that got her convicted??? It gets confusion when you guys throw every little piece of 'mud' against the wall hoping one will stick. So far none have.[/QUOTE]
It is all of those things fred.

 

[wasnt_me]

Who used TJMK and what is wrong with it?

Have you gandered at the mop/bucket? :innocent:

Nothing's wrong with the sources that you demeaned. Still waiting for you to prove your case about the mop. I'll accept it if you show it. Picture of AK holding the mop.

 

[Nova]

http://perugiamurderfile.org/gallery/image_page.php?album_id=21&image_id=1231

Hope this works, thanks guys and gals.

It worked beautifully, but was I supposed to see a mop and pail in that photo?