Meredith Kercher murdered-Amanda Knox appeals conviction #14

[SMK]

But...... what if Dr.S did the testing :waitasec: if it is possible to test?

Same thing. :snooty:

 

[dgfred]

It worked beautifully, but was I supposed to see a mop and pail in that photo?

Small mop in red 'pail/bucket' to bottom left.

 

[SMK]

Small mop in red 'pail/bucket' to bottom left.

OK. I see it. Now is this supposed to be the mop and bucket Knox and Sollecito were standing around with? Sorry, I have forgotten what this was all about.

 

[dgfred]

OK. I see it. Now is this supposed to be the mop and bucket Knox and Sollecito were standing around with? Sorry, I have forgotten what this was all about.

Yes... but remember NOBODY here is saying they were holding it. It's just there. wasn't me was saying there was NO mop and since I didn't put up a link
I was wrong. Turns out (thanks to my buddies :rocker: ) it IS there. It is in a couple more pics but that one is the best view.

 

[Nova]

Small mop in red 'pail/bucket' to bottom left.

Oh, okay, thanks. Kind of like a toilet brush. (I'm not saying that's what it was used for, but I wouldn't mop a floor with something two feet long. That's a lot of bending.)

 

[SMK]

I guess tomorrow we shall see how the testimony of Aviello and Alessi goes.

June 18 - 9:00am start time - Witness Testimony - Aviello, Alessi, and three other witnesses to support his story.

June 27 - 11:00am start time - Witness
June 27 - Sollecito Family - Arbitrary publication of judicial acts

June 30 - Independent Experts deadline to submit report - not a court date

Jul 4 - Edda Mellas and Kurt Knox in court for slander
Jul 4 - Lifetime Movie suit

July 25 - Independent Experts - First day of hearings in which the independent experts will present their findings

July 29 - Independent Expert Report - This will likely be further discussion about the independent expert report by defense and prosecution experts.

July 30 - Independent Expert Report - If needed for further discussion on report.

Sept - Verdict ? http://www.injusticeinperugiaforum.org/court-dates-t763.html

 

[SMK]

ABC News Launches New Book: "THE AMANDA KNOX STORY: A Murder in Perugia"
By ABC News
June 17, 2011
While an Italian appellate court re-evaluates the DNA evidence prosecutors used to convict Amanda Knox, ABC News has the full story in its new video eBook, THE AMANDA KNOX STORY: A Murder in Perugia, available for sale on the iBooks, Kindle, and Nook eBook stores, as well as on the ABC Video Bookstore for iPad.

THE AMANDA KNOX STORY combines the best of ABC News coverage of this polarizing case whose twists and turns have attracted attention across the globe.
http://abcnews.go.com/International/amanda-knox-story-ebook-abc-news-exclusive-video/story?id=13857997

 

[wasnt_me]

Small mop in red 'pail/bucket' to bottom left.

Oh, I did not see that you had posted the picture. Thanks Dgfred. I'm proud of you! :rocker:

I don't see the mop and I don't see AK near it, but I'm going to give the red bucket to you, and I'm going to say I recall seeing this bucket in maybe this photo or another before.

However, when you think about it, AK walked to and from RS's house. Isn't this true? If so, I can't see her pushing that big old bucket up and down the street. So either it was the other mop, I'm wrong about how she transported it, or she's lying about the mop.

However, I believe we know she is not lying about the leak because didn't someone say the landlord or somebody provided pictures of it or damage from it?

In any event, this could be what RS is referring to when he says he agreed with AK's version of events, though he didn't think about inconsistencies.

I do not know. But I do know, there is no evidence that she and RS were in the murder room at all, there's no evidence of a cleanup, other than RG in the bathroom, using the towels and possibly rinsing himself off in the shower.

 

[wasnt_me]

Yes... but remember NOBODY here is saying they were holding it. It's just there. wasn't me was saying there was NO mop and since I didn't put up a link
I was wrong. Turns out (thanks to my buddies :rocker: ) it IS there. It is in a couple more pics but that one is the best view.

No sir, this isn't what I said.

I said it was the mop that was found in the hallway closet. You said it was not the mop in the hallway closet, it was the mop on the porch. I said okay, if that's true, show me a picture of the mop on the porch. You further asserted they were outside holding the mop. I then asked for a picture of that, as well. I said if you could not provide the picture, I was going with my statement that it was the mop from the closet.

I did not say there was no mop. and You told me I was wrong about which mop it was and I said you were wrong until you could substantiate your claim. You have provided the picture that a mop bucket is outside. I do not see the mop.

Additionally, even if a mop is in it, we still have the debate.

Which mop did she take to RS's? the one in the hallway closet or the one you claim is on the porch?

 

[wasnt_me]

Small mop in red 'pail/bucket' to bottom left.

that stick, the black stick in the pic, it's not a mop, it's the lever you use to squeeze the mop while in the bucket. I do not see an actual mop. I do not know why the bucket is outside. I do not believe she wheeled that bucket all the way to RS's, so that's why I'm doubting it's related to the one she might have taken to RS's.

 

[ziggy]

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Hope that helps!:crazy:

Hey Thanks!!!! I feel much better now.

 

[wasnt_me]

Okay, I still think that was the bucket lever, but here is a better picture, where you can see taller mops coming out of the bucket.

So there was one outside. Still begs the question. Did she wheel this cumbersome thing to RS's or not?

 

[wasnt_me]

Okay, So I went and looked into the mop more.

In a letter to his father, RS says:

As soon as we arrived in the house I put aside the mop in the entranceand I directed myself towards the other rooms in order to see what the
devil had happened. Those moments I remember well because I was shaken
and alarmed. I seem to have seen that Amanda had taken the mop bucket
and it carried it in to another room (from the text not shown, but
evidently the mop had been brought back to house of Meredith and
Amanda). The first thing I noticed was that the room of Filomena
(called Molli) had the door wide open

http://perugiamurderfile.org/viewtopic.php?p=21952

So it's probably this one outside, as fred was saying, but who brought it back outside? Or is RS further confused and AK put it back outside? How, though, did she get the bucket to his house? Isn't it a 10 minute walk?

need help with that one. I seriously can't see wheeling this thing over there.

 

[wasnt_me]

I just read something interesting regarding the texts with PL.

The police contend that AK had said "see you later" in a way that grammatically meant a definite meeting was taking place.

So the theory is, why didn't PL text her or call her back to say, "No, no, no. I said don't come to work." There are apparently no attempts from PL's phone to do it even after AK allegedly switched hers off.

He didn't because he understood her when she said, "see you later, good night." He understood that she was just signing off, not making plans with him. So why did the police tell her it was a definite meeting? Because they were lying to push her into a confession.

 

[SMK]

I just read something interesting regarding the texts with PL.

The police contend that AK had said "see you later" in a way that grammatically meant a definite meeting was taking place.

So the theory is, why didn't PL text her or call her back to say, "No, no, no. I said don't come to work." There are apparently no attempts from PL's phone to do it even after AK allegedly switched hers off.

He didn't because he understood her when she said, "see you later, good night." He understood that she was just signing off, not making plans with him. So why did the police tell her it was a definite meeting? Because they were lying to push her into a confession.

Good thinking. PL understood; hence they could as well.

 

[SMK]

Knox and Sollecito in court Saturday June 18: But is any of this really going to help? :waitasec:

Mario Alessi Testifies

(AGI) Perugia - "Rudy Guede told me that Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito had nothing to do with the murder of Meredith Kercher and that things went in a very different way than what you read in papers or see on TV. He told me that two innocents were in jail."

This is what Mario Alessi said giving evidence in the appeal trial against Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito for the murder of Meredith Kercher. . .

http://www.agi.it/english-version/italy/elenco-notizie/201106181354-cro-ren1038-rudy_said_amanda_and_raffaele_innocent_alessi


Convicted murderer takes the stand at Amanda Knox trial in Italy, claims he can clear herhttp://www.newser.com/article/d9nu958g0/convicted-murderer-takes-the-stand-at-amanda-knox-trial-in-italy-claims-he-can-clear-her.html

"He told me he was very concerned about the process - Alessi said in court - and not knowing whether or not to say the truth, 'a truth' that was very different from the one described on TV. As he spoke, Rudy had tears in my eyes . He told me that he trusted me and wanted to tell the whole truth '. "So, according to the account of Alessi , Guede told him 'that he and his friend Meredith knew one evening in a room."He told me that his friend was so 'drunk that you do not stand on his feet and after a few days he and the same friend showed up at the home of Meredith , triggering the surprise of the girl.

He told me he had entered the house and that were seated in a sort of couch. Rudy at this point I said that it was he who suggested to Meredith a sexual relationship with three and the girl had reacted by asking them to leave the house. Guede At this point I tell myself 'that he went 'in the bathroom and when I return' in the room I find 'a completely different scenario. ""He told me that I 'Mez on the ground - said the murderess of Tommaso Onofri - and his friend that he held over her by the arms.'s Tale', which even then was he who straddle of Meredith . "According to the account given in court today by Alessi, Guede told him 'that his friend was trying' to the point of having oral sex with British student and suddenly shot 'by pointing out a knife to the girl's neck."He told me that Meredith was wriggling, and is' wound to the neck."
So according to Alessi , Guede told him, 'that while he was busy trying to staunch the wound, the friend told him to "finish the girl, otherwise it would make them rot in jail."
Then the friend would go away and later Rudy.The builder said that Guede Sicilian so I talk to him 'of the murder weapon as a "pocket boxcutter ivory-handled.""I tried to convince Rudy to tell the truth '- Alessi said - and once I told him that if he did he would have done. I said he could not tell the truth' cause otherwise his sentence would increased, which was not to put him in prison Amanda and Raffaele and everyone struggling with their own weapons. "(AGI).

Better version:

Alessi testified that Rudy Guede, who has also been convicted of being involved in Kercher's murder and is serving a 16-year sentence, told him that Knox was not involved in the killing.
According to Alessi, Guede said that he and an unnamed friend visited Kercher to try to get her to participate in sexual acts. When Kercher denied them, Guede's friend forced himself on her, and Guede also participated, Alessi said. At one point, the friend pulled out a knife, and then Guede, who was holding Kercher at the time, noticed she had started bleeding, Alessi testified.
Alessi told the court that Guede tried to stop the bleeding, but that his friend urged him to leave. Alessi said Guede remained by himself with Kercher for a while, but eventually left her injured.

Another witness Saturday was Marco Castelluccio, a mafia member who testified from behind a screen because he is a protected witness.
Castelluccio said that he also heard from Guede that Knox had nothing to do with the crime.
Another inmate expected to testify is Luciano Aviello, who is serving a 16-year prison term for mafia-related crimes. Aviello is expected to say that it was his brother and Guede who killed Kercher.

http://www.koco.com/news/28279542/detail.html#ixzz1PdBJbBWe

But is anyone going to take these testimonies seriously, and give them weight? Or mayhap it is simply a mechanism whereby to raise reasonable doubt....:waitasec:

 

[Nova]

...But is anyone going to take these testimonies seriously, and give them weight? Or mayhap it is simply a mechanism whereby to raise reasonable doubt....:waitasec:

I don't know, but it ought to be at least enough to test the alleged "semen" stain.

Thanks, SMK.

 

[SMK]

I don't know, but it ought to be at least enough to test the alleged "semen" stain.

Thanks, SMK.

Most welcome.......You just may be right.....:waitasec:

 

[wasnt_me]

The event coincide with RG's original lie. That's the only reason it sounds "right" to me, BUT I don't think the story fits the evidence. If the inmates are telling the truth and RG told them this, I think RG is just changing his original lie around to make himself STILL not be the one wielding the knife.

I think they need to drop the mob brother story.

Even though I do not believe RG's story, I do believe that RG is telling it in prison, and I do believe the only relevant part of it is that AK and RS were not there. I believe they were not there, and RG did this by himself, but he's telling people someone else was there because he cannot bring himself to admit that he was the one to stab MK.

If this tale gets AK and RS off, then I can live with it, because RG did this by himself and should suffer by himself. It's possible that he had a friend with him at the start of the break-in.

It's possible that he entered the the window with help, and let his friend in the front door. It's possible that he then went into the bathroom, and MK came home, and his friend ran out of the house, leaving MK and RG alone.

Without knowing who shed the unknown DNA on the bra clasp and other unknown DNA (to include FR and LM, because they were never tested to be excluded), we don't know if RG even had someone else in the house, but not in the murder room.

The more I think on it, I do buy that he had a friend who helped him break in, but then the friend ran off when MK got home. MK was probably calling her parents when she walked in, saw this person, freaked out, he ran out the house, and she realized RG was in the bathroom.

 

[OldSteve]

Just as I have been saying nothing shows AK or RS in MK's room - nothing shows the other person Aviello mentions to be in MK's room.
So, unless I want to be those who look at things differently depending how it benefits them,
I have to say I do NOT believe another person was involved, and hence do not believe this new account.

I wonder if this sort to testimony does more to hurt AK/RS than help them, as it takes up time, and if a juror thinks it bogus, will it cloud their judgement?