Meredith Kercher murdered-Amanda Knox appeals conviction #14

[otto]

It isn't "the same" legal violation.

Using official stationery for this purpose may be improper, but it's hardly the same degree of abuse of power of which Mignini was convicted. Nor does misuse of stationery reflect much on how the judge does his regular job in the same way that wiretapping, et al., do.

So when a US judge that is guilty of judicial misconduct complains about an Italian prosecutor that listened in on conversations between reporters or police, the US judge is welcome to repeat that judicial misconduct but the prosecutor should be fired?

 

[SMK]

So when a US judge that is guilty of judicial misconduct complains about an Italian prosecutor that listened in on conversations between reporters or police, the US judge is welcome to repeat that judicial misconduct but the prosecutor should be fired?

Well, that Mignini was convicted of abuse of high office during the investigation of a major case, condemned by a judge in Florence, and sentenced to 16 months in prison, makes it a bit more serious than the tom-foolery Heavey (appears) to be engaging in. Do not get me wrong, I admire Mignini: he is a classical hero-type, a true Catholic, and I nearly have "a thing" for him due to his charismatic looks. BUuuuTTTT...... to be objective, read below:

Mignini's computer was seized and contained an enemies list. [. . . ]

The charges against Giuliano Mignini are threefold and involve more than just illegal wiretapping. The court convicted Mignini for the following:

1.) Illegally investigating journalists who had criticized him with the "intent to harass or deter them from pursuing their legitimate profession". Specifically the court found that Mignini had targeted Italian journalists Vincenzo Tessandori, Gennaro De Stefano, and Roberto Fiasconaro, because they had criticized his investigations into the death of Narducci.

2.) Ordering an illegal investigation of the Florentine ex police chief Giuseppe De Donno.

3.) Ordering illegal investigations of two officials of the Viminale, the Ministry of the Interior in Rome, including an illegal investigation of the Roberto Sgalla, ex-director of the office of external affairs.

http://knoxarchives.blogspot.com/2010/04/behind-giuliano-migninis-own-conviction.html

A Satanic theory brings 20 criminal indictments
Mignini theorized a fantastic and elaborate conspiracy of 20 people, including government officials and law enforcement officers, who made up a secret society behind the Monster killings.
20 people were indicted and charged with the concealment of Narducci's murder, and laid out a hard-to-follow plot that included body doubles and featured Narducci's body being swapped two times.
Tuesday, in a preliminary hearing, cases against all 20 were thrown out in a ruling by Perugia Judge Paolo Micheli, who found there was no solid evidence to back up Mignini's claim that Narducci was murdered, let alone the victim of a satanic sect. Source: cbsnews.com

In addition, Mignini consulted a priest who believed in oracles, spirits, and occult sex orgies , and Mignini had come to believe Italy was full of them, and that this not only motivated his actions relating to the "Monster" of Florence (a suspected sexual serial killer in the hills of Florence, never caught0 but also in the case against Amanda Knox, one night after Halloween, in the sexual slaying of British college student Meredith Kercher. Mignini made much of the fact that it was the Halloween weekend, with regard to the supposed sexual game which ended in murder.

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/pros...-giuliano-mignini-found-guilty#ixzz1PD2epsjM]

 

[Nova]

He seems to echo the same thoughts that are posted by those that disagree with the verdict. How do you see those opinions as hurting Knox?

Oh, it must have been the evil mastermind, Amanda Knox! Or if not, then it must have been her mother.

 

[Nova]

*Where is the rest of the bathroom bare footprint attributed to RS?

*So there are blood drops of Meredith's in different parts of the house... but not from her body/doorway/door to the bathroom or Filomena's room and there was NO cleanup? I don't see it that way. Who left the bathroom print and how did it get there? Isn't washing off a form of clean-up?

In a way you are also claiming the luminol BARE footprints in the hallway are not accepted by the courts as AKs and RSs... which they were.

Also, if the washer was 'running' prior to everyone arriving (this time :innocent: ) couldn't it have been 'warm' still? Was her testimony that it was 'warm', or is this the English translation of what she was saying? Or she could have been mistaken as you say, I'm sure her adrenaline was up a bit already.

There are various reasons why a footprint might be partial. To my knowledge, there are no smears revealed by luminol that indicate anything was cleaned up.

I don't read/speak Italian, so a mistranslation is always possible as far as I'm concerned. Or Filomena made a mistake in the confusion of the brief time she was allowed in the cottage.

What I've never said and have no reason to believe is that she is consciously lying.

 

[Nova]

Another way to consider it is:

Sexual assault WAS involved

A 'prank' or 'game (translation error)' COULD have been involved.
Since we/he may never know the TRUE motive, he was 'proposing' a possibility.

The media IS responsible for accuracy of information given out, but 'incendiary' sells alot better.

These ILE 'leaks' as they are being called, would be censored wouldn't they?
Why are the 'anonymous sources' from the ILE that supposidly gave the pictures to the media not in any trouble or under question IF they gave out any false information at all.

Which examples of leaked supposidly false information do y'all think got her convicted of murder by a competant jury?

Sexual assault BY ONE PERSON was involved. There is no proof that anyone else participated.

Yet the orgy (or sexual prank) gone wrong was the dominating ILE theory even before the interrogators browbeat AK into saying she was there with PL.

IMO, the sources of the ILE leaks aren't in trouble because they are either (a) very highly placed (such as Mignini himself) or (b) they were leaking at the direction of highly placed authorities.

 

[dgfred]

Although not about AK, there is an interesting read about psycopaths on 'Women in Crime Ink' site. She is speaking of Casey Anthony.

 

[Nova]

All of them. I don't want to get into yet another debate about whether Knox had an interpreter (or any of the other points for that matter), but Heavey should know that the interpreter testified in court and that Knox stated in court that she had an interpreter before he claims that Knox didn't have one. Everything he writes can be easily refuted.

You don't want to get into it, yet you demand that Heavey adopt YOUR definition of interpreter.

I think we all know that whatever translation was done in the first few hours was done by an interrogator who happened to speak English, NOT by a neutral translator.

So it is true that AK did and did not have a translator, depending on how one defines that job.

 

[Nova]

Some items from the washing machine were tested for evidence, so I think we can conclude that Filomina's statement about the washing machine being warm were taken very seriuosly.

1. Not at all. There is no logical connection in the statement as you phrase it. For all we know, ILE was looking for evidence in the washing machine from 12 hours earlier and their testing had nothing to do with whether they believed the machine was still warm at midday after the murder.

2. Even if it was Filomena's remark that spurred the interest of ILE, Perugian authorities have well demonstrated a tendency to take at face value any testimony that supported their pre-conceived theory of the crime.

 

[Nova]

So when a US judge that is guilty of judicial misconduct complains about an Italian prosecutor that listened in on conversations between reporters or police, the US judge is welcome to repeat that judicial misconduct but the prosecutor should be fired?

Don't you get tired of the word games? It should be obvious this tactic doesn't work any more.

Misuse of official stationery v. illegal wiretapping plus other misconduct.

No, not the same.

 

[dgfred]

Sexual assault BY ONE PERSON was involved. There is no proof that anyone else participated.

Yet the orgy (or sexual prank) gone wrong was the dominating ILE theory even before the interrogators browbeat AK into saying she was there with PL.

IMO, the sources of the ILE leaks aren't in trouble because they are either (a) very highly placed (such as Mignini himself) or (b) they were leaking at the direction of highly placed authorities.

One may have committed the actual sexual assault part, but 2 others being there makes their actions sexual in nature too IMO. Not to mention moving/staging the body and removing her bra/clothes.

Words like 'browbeat' don't help your argument IMO. Weird how they kept browbeating her during her statement to Mignini and in her gift :innocent: , and those 2 weeks Patrick was in jail.

Nah, the media doesn't want to know details when the 'leaker' is always anonymous. Let's see, sell the story as by anonymous or name a name and see that 'story' shot down as false... wonder which the tabloids would pick?

 

[dgfred]

Don't you get tired of the word games? It should be obvious this tactic doesn't work any more.

Misuse of official stationery v. illegal wiretapping plus other misconduct.

No, not the same.

Misuse of stationery regarding THIS case.

Abuse of office in ANOTHER case.

Right, not the same.

 

[dgfred]

There are various reasons why a footprint might be partial. To my knowledge, there are no smears revealed by luminol that indicate anything was cleaned up.

So your theory is 'a' killer left the victim, went to the bathroom, took off his shoe(s) washed his hands/feet/etc, but dripped blood in the sink, smeared the wall, left a PARTIAL bare footprint on the bathmat, and dripped another in Filomena's room with SEVERAL only mixed with AK's dna???

Not only is cleaning one's self off cleaning... there just about HAD to be something in between the bedroom and bathroom IMO. Where are his footprints in shoes in or going to the bathroom? Why are shoe prints only leading straight out of the cottage? Your theory requires some type of cleaning.

 

[Allusonz]

I think modern, industrialized nations are too complicated for heads of state to get personally involved in trials of individuals--unless there is something so unusual about the case that it provokes truly national interest. That isn't true of Amanda Knox in the U.S.

Italy is also strategic with respect to air bases which are required for various military reasons.

 

[Allusonz]

Misuse of stationery regarding THIS case.

Abuse of office in ANOTHER case.

Right, not the same.

Judge Heavey reported himself. Mignini was charged.


"I self-reported this to the CJC January 22, 2009," Judge Heavey told the West Seattle Herald June 8. "A judge should not advance his private interest. I was not. I was advancing the interest of justice. I said in the letters that Amanda was not going to get a fair trial. that the people of Italy already had their hearts hardened which would deny her a fair trial, and that no evidence can soften their hearts."


http://www.westseattleherald.com/20...ged-misconduct-letters-supporting-amanda-knox

 

[Allusonz]

Some items from the washing machine were tested for evidence, so I think we can conclude that Filomina's statement about the washing machine being warm were taken very seriuosly.

Very obvious that you do not do laundry. Even if you take the time that AK first phoned FR there is no way the washer would still be warm prior to her arrival as FR sent her BF first and arrived later.

What is even more absurd is that the first thing someone would check in a suspected break in is the temperature of the washing maching

 

[Allusonz]

So what. That's normal in the US. Police are trying to solve a case and they release propaganda and all sorts of other info to the media ... that's part of police strategy. All that Foxy Knoxy stuff came from Knox's myspace page ... to whom should we complain about that info in the media?

No they don't. Watch the theads on here and the comments. Over and over one of the main complaints I see is that there is little information given out during the course of an investigation from LE which is and can be frustrating when an individual wants to know what they are doing. LE here often gives out very little information in order not to mess up the investigation.

The ones I worry about are the ones that tell everything to the press and state "case closed" such as Nifong and Mignini

 

[Allusonz]

It is an opinion that the bra clasp was mishandled. The courts rejected the argument that there was contamination.

The bra clasp should of been invalidated the minute they passed it around, put it back on the floor, and found other profiles on it.

 

[Allusonz]

So what. That's normal in the US. Police are trying to solve a case and they release propaganda and all sorts of other info to the media ... that's part of police strategy. All that Foxy Knoxy stuff came from Knox's myspace page ... to whom should we complain about that info in the media?

Whom leaked the bathroom photo in which a chemical that had been applied turned pink looking like there was blood all over when in fact it was not blood but instead was in fact the chemical? If these are the bloody walls you think everyone will be laughing at the defense for that perception is wrong. Instead the prosecution should be very red faced

 

[Allusonz]

Right. Knox's reputation was dragged through the mud right from the beginning in part (in my opinion in great part) because of her self-appointed myspace name. Her myspace photos, short stories and descriptions of what she thought of others didn't help. The police released whatever information they wanted in order to solve the murder, while a huge amount of information was simply snooped. Who is really to blame? Not the prosecutor ... again, I hope.

Police release information to the press for the specific purpose of generating leads - and it doesn't have to be true.

I would love to know what meaning Foxy Knoxy has? I have seen the various journalists take on it but funny when a person truly thinks about it why do so many think of it as being sexual?

 

[Allusonz]

I'm only responding to the remark that we should now assume that Filomina is a liar because she reported that the washer (not the dryer, thank you) felt warm to the touch when she returned home. Is there any statement contradicting her statement? If not, then I think we can discard any suggestion that an innocent roommate of Meredith has a questionable character.

I don't believe anyone is calling her a liar. I don't consider her to be a witness that I would rely much on as it appears that her stories particularily of the state of closure of the shutters there were 3 different versions alone given