Meredith Kercher murdered-Amanda Knox appeals conviction #14

[Allusonz]

All of them. I don't want to get into yet another debate about whether Knox had an interpreter (or any of the other points for that matter), but Heavey should know that the interpreter testified in court and that Knox stated in court that she had an interpreter before he claims that Knox didn't have one. Everything he writes can be easily refuted.

You mean the "Mediator". That is what she testified to

 

[Allusonz]

Oh, it must have been the evil mastermind, Amanda Knox! Or if not, then it must have been her mother.

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

too funny again

 

[Allusonz]

Another way to consider it is:

Sexual assault WAS involved

A 'prank' or 'game (translation error)' COULD have been involved.
Since we/he may never know the TRUE motive, he was 'proposing' a possibility.

The media IS responsible for accuracy of information given out, but 'incendiary' sells alot better.

These ILE 'leaks' as they are being called, would be censored wouldn't they?
Why are the 'anonymous sources' from the ILE that supposidly gave the pictures to the media not in any trouble or under question IF they gave out any false information at all.

Which examples of leaked supposidly false information do y'all think got her convicted of murder by a competant jury?

ILE gave press conferences during the early days. Are you stating that all these news organizations got it wrong? That there was a conspiracy amoung them?

 

[Nova]

One may have committed the actual sexual assault part, but 2 others being there makes their actions sexual in nature too IMO. Not to mention moving/staging the body and removing her bra/clothes.

Words like 'browbeat' don't help your argument IMO. Weird how they kept browbeating her during her statement to Mignini and in her gift :innocent: , and those 2 weeks Patrick was in jail.

Nah, the media doesn't want to know details when the 'leaker' is always anonymous. Let's see, sell the story as by anonymous or name a name and see that 'story' shot down as false... wonder which the tabloids would pick?

Just because you and Mignini have fantasies about sexual orgies that climax in the murder of a young woman doesn't mean that happened to Meredith Kercher. There is no evidence of any such thing; nothing in AK's or RS' history suggests they would have the interest or the nerve. AK, RS and RG did not know one another long enough to form such a trusting "gang". There wasn't time for AK and RS to arrange an orgy with RG, much less hope to include MK. AK didn't speak the same language as either of her alleged conspirators.

The whole theory is utterly ridiculous!

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"Browbeat" is precisely what happened to AK during the initial hours of interrogation. That she was so intimidated she continued to cooperated until dawn (at which time she began her recantation in the gift statement) only shows how cowed she was.

 

[Nova]

So your theory is 'a' killer left the victim, went to the bathroom, took off his shoe(s) washed his hands/feet/etc, but dripped blood in the sink, smeared the wall, left a PARTIAL bare footprint on the bathmat, and dripped another in Filomena's room with SEVERAL only mixed with AK's dna???

Not only is cleaning one's self off cleaning... there just about HAD to be something in between the bedroom and bathroom IMO. Where are his footprints in shoes in or going to the bathroom? Why are shoe prints only leading straight out of the cottage? Your theory requires some type of cleaning.

Others have explained all this better than I. I happily and readily bow to their interest in footprints.

 

[Nova]

Italy is also strategic with respect to air bases which are required for various military reasons.

Not to mention stood with us in the (illegal) Iraq War, when Germany and France showed better scruples.

 

[PalmettoGirl]

Right. Knox's reputation was dragged through the mud right from the beginning in part (in my opinion in great part) because of her self-appointed myspace name.

snipped by me

The name was a nickname given to her by her soccer teammates. I highly doubt it was intended to be sexual. Have you never carried over a nickname someone has given you? I'm sure she didn't know it'd be thrown in her face time and time again.

 

[OldSteve]

snipped by me

The name was a nickname given to her by her soccer teammates. I highly doubt it was intended to be sexual. Have you never carried over a nickname someone has given you? I'm sure she didn't know it'd be thrown in her face time and time again.

Thank you so much for pointing this out! It shows how taking something out of context and deliberately misinterpreting it on can be used against a person!

 

[dgfred]

Just because you and Mignini have fantasies about sexual orgies that climax in the murder of a young woman doesn't mean that happened to Meredith Kercher. There is no evidence of any such thing; nothing in AK's or RS' history suggests they would have the interest or the nerve. AK, RS and RG did not know one another long enough to form such a trusting "gang". There wasn't time for AK and RS to arrange an orgy with RG, much less hope to include MK. AK didn't speak the same language as either of her alleged conspirators.

The whole theory is utterly ridiculous!

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"Browbeat" is precisely what happened to AK during the initial hours of interrogation. That she was so intimidated she continued to cooperated until dawn (at which time she began her recantation in the gift statement) only shows how cowed she was.

'That' was entirely uncalled for! I will not bother reporting it because it is not worth the trouble. I guess desperate times call for desperate measures...it is obvious the innocent side is getting desperate.

Nothing happened to AK during her initial hours except she screwed up. She never recanted her story while Patrick was in jail. Ridiculous indeed.

 

[OldSteve]

It is an opinion that the bra clasp was mishandled. The courts rejected the argument that there was contamination.

Once again the "bra clasp" ... don't know how many times I have to point this out - DNA does not show how or when cells got to where they are found.

What would be important would be to identify the type of cells found on the clasp - are they seaman, blood, saliva, or simply skin cells; then use DNA to id who's they are.
But the clasp has been left for some time unattended, then it was passed around and touched by gloved hands that who knows what they touched before - would you want this sort of "evidence" used against you if you were on trail?

 

[dgfred]

ILE gave press conferences during the early days. Are you stating that all these news organizations got it wrong? That there was a conspiracy amoung them?

What 'item' of the press conferences are you questioning? Y'all are the mega-conspiracy crowd, not me.

Surely not the 'pink' bathroom. Anybody that thought that was blood or let it influence them regarding AK's guilt needs their head examined IMO.

If it is the shirt/jacket... if ILE report it is not found, then find it- Is that a false leak?
If it is the bleach receipts... if they found out later it was not for bleach or was bought earlier is that a false leak?

Grasping at straws and crying foul for reasons why AK was found guilty is what it looks like to me... not evidence to the contrary.

 

[dgfred]

Others have explained all this better than I. I happily and readily bow to their interest in footprints.

Your evasion is noted.

 

[dgfred]

Once again the "bra clasp" ... don't know how many times I have to point this out - DNA does not show how or when cells got to where they are found.

What would be important would be to identify the type of cells found on the clasp - are they seaman, blood, saliva, or simply skin cells; then use DNA to id who's they are.
But the clasp has been left for some time unattended, then it was passed around and touched by gloved hands that who knows what they touched before - would you want this sort of "evidence" used against you if you were on trail?

If you lied about your alibi would you expect this to be used against you at trial?

If you lied about 'pricking' the murder victim on a previous occasion would you expect this to be used against you at trial?

If your bloody bare footprint was on a mat at the murder scene would you want this evidence used against you? What about the luminol bare footprints attributed to you in the hallway?

If you were innocent would you testify... just asking? I would!

 

[SMK]

Just because you and Mignini have fantasies about sexual orgies that climax in the murder of a young woman doesn't mean that happened to Meredith Kercher. There is no evidence of any such thing; nothing in AK's or RS' history suggests they would have the interest or the nerve. AK, RS and RG did not know one another long enough to form such a trusting "gang". There wasn't time for AK and RS to arrange an orgy with RG, much less hope to include MK. AK didn't speak the same language as either of her alleged conspirators.

The whole theory is utterly ridiculous!

***

"Browbeat" is precisely what happened to AK during the initial hours of interrogation. That she was so intimidated she continued to cooperated until dawn (at which time she began her recantation in the gift statement) only shows how cowed she was.

@dgfred:
Even if one takes a different tack, Nova's perspective still carries a lot of weight.

Viewing Mignini liberally and sympathetically as I do, one can still say that his history with the Monster of Florence reveals a bias in him.

Let's view it as a somewhat good thing: A man who does not like the way in which the world has changed over the past several decades becomes suspicious about sexual groups, cults, criminal orgies, etc. In a zealous attempt to put an end to it, he consults a priest who tells him these things are indeed rampant. Using his position as a Prosecutor, he attempts to probe things more deeply, resulting in his having criminal charges brought against him. Deeply hurt and resentful, he claims he was only seeking justice.

During this ordeal, he is called to the cottage where Kercher has been killed, and has Knox and Sollecito presented to him. How naturally and easily his old suspicions would come to the fore! How close to the truth some of them might be in theory! But with gaping holes in the evidence, those who believe he erred now fling his past in his face.

In an attempt to redeem himself, he has paradoxically brought more judgement and accusations against him. I guess the upshot is: Mignini ought to have been excused from this particular case. It would have been better for both sides had the powers that be had done so. Am I making any sense, or is my attempt at being moderate not getting through? What I am trying so convolutedly to convey is, I think Mignini has only bolstered the arguments for appeal. He, too, is a victim (of his own fixed idea, which, right or wrong in this case, came back to haunt him) and it was a fatal piece of bad luck, it would seem, that he was on duty when the call came in to 112. At least, this is my view of it. The case likely would have unfolded differently had he not been in the mix. No blame, just pointing out what I see as a genuine and tragic piece of misfortune all around.

 

[dgfred]

Judge Heavey reported himself. Mignini was charged.


"I self-reported this to the CJC January 22, 2009," Judge Heavey told the West Seattle Herald June 8. "A judge should not advance his private interest. I was not. I was advancing the interest of justice. I said in the letters that Amanda was not going to get a fair trial. that the people of Italy already had their hearts hardened which would deny her a fair trial, and that no evidence can soften their hearts."


http://www.westseattleherald.com/20...ged-misconduct-letters-supporting-amanda-knox

Is he 'self-reporting' THIS time???

So you agree with the contents and message contained in this letter?

 

[OldSteve]

If you lied about your alibi would you expect this to be used against you at trial?

If you lied about 'pricking' the murder victim on a previous occasion would you expect this to be used against you at trial?

If your bloody bare footprint was on a mat at the murder scene would you want this evidence used against you? What about the luminol bare footprints attributed to you in the hallway?

If you were innocent would you testify... just asking? I would!

What I would hope is that there would no evidence to place me in the room where MK was murdered, no clothing of mine having MK's or RS's blood on it, no pictures taken of me the day after the murder showing I'd been bruised, no person(s) who say I took part with them in her murder...

 

[dgfred]

I don't agree SMK. I think the innocent side has no real argument for innocence and are grasping at straws/muddying the waters for the most part.

IMO whether Mignini or not, this would have been the only path the defense side would have had and some staunch supporters still would have acted in this way.

It is very telling to me when arguments such as in the letter are presented, and the world can see how far removed from the actual evidence of the case it really is. I get the same feeling from reading BF's rants, and some of the other hangers-on. I get the same feeling when posters claim the luminol prints in the hallway were not in blood, That RG acted alone and washed his feet in the bathroom but no evidence in between- leaving his bloody bare footprint, that somebody scaled the wall and effortlessly breezed thru the room, that AK's blood/dna is mixed with Meredith's blood because she lived there, that excuses are made for the accusation of Patrick, that excuses are made for RS claiming to have 'pricked' Meredith, that they were 'mistaken' about what time they ate supper that night, that the first time in months they had each not used their phones, etc, etc, etc.

 

[dgfred]

What I would hope is that there would no evidence to place me in the room where MK was murdered, no clothing of mine having MK's or RS's blood on it, no pictures taken of me the day after the murder showing I'd been bruised, no person(s) who say I took part with them in her murder...

That is exactly what he was 'hoping'.

Instead: dna on bra clasp, luminol bare footprints in hall, bare footprint on bathroom mat, no alibi, lied regarding alibi, lie about 'pricking' Meredith, changing alibi. Lost hope I'm afraid.

 

[SMK]

I don't agree SMK. I think the innocent side has no real argument for innocence and are grasping at straws/muddying the waters for the most part.

IMO whether Mignini or not, this would have been the only path the defense side would have had and some staunch supporters still would have acted in this way.

It is very telling to me when arguments such as in the letter are presented, and the world can see how far removed from the actual evidence of the case it really is. I get the same feeling from reading BF's rants, and some of the other hangers-on. I get the same feeling when posters claim the luminol prints in the hallway were not in blood, That RG acted alone and washed his feet in the bathroom but no evidence in between- leaving his bloody bare footprint, that somebody scaled the wall and effortlessly breezed thru the room, that AK's blood/dna is mixed with Meredith's blood because she lived there, that excuses are made for the accusation of Patrick, that excuses are made for RS claiming to have 'pricked' Meredith, that they were 'mistaken' about what time they ate supper that night, that the first time in months they had each not used their phones, etc, etc, etc.

But......but............ .....:slap: surely you must see that there is at least some strange coincidence at work regarding Mignini being on the case? Or am I viewing the whole thing too much as literature...... ?? :waitasec: So to you, it would have been open and shut without Mignini? ........:razz:

 

[SMK]

. . . that excuses are made for RS claiming to have 'pricked' Meredith,. . .

No, this leapt out at me as weird and suspicious, from the get go. Over-explaining is always a red flag....