Meredith Kercher murdered-Amanda Knox appeals conviction #14

[Allusonz]

I am a little cranky, fred, and I apologize for that. Most of the time it certainly isn't your fault. It's more frustration that we seem to circle back to same bogus arguments again and again.

Apparently, I misunderstood your point about AK's blood. I though you were implying she was injured during a struggle with MK. If so, then ILE had ample opportunity to observe her for suspicious wounds; all they could come up with was a hickey.

FOR A FEW BRIEF HOURS, AK put herself at the cottage on the night of the murder with a man who happened to have an ironclad alibi. By dawn, AK was already recanting that story. Repeatedly citing only the part of her phony story that supports your case is the sort of thing that does make one cranky.

If your own blood is found in your own house after you've been away, which is more likely? You snuck back in to bleed on stuff or you simply didn't notice the blood before you left?

I have to agree here Nova. It becomes very tiresome to continue to repeat the same things repeatedly especially things that have definately been disproven such as the luminol issue to use one example

 

[Allusonz]

It's in the MOT report.

Actually, if it belonged to our dynamic duo this would be the first hard piece of evidence, but the testing would have to be SO well documented, etc and so on because of all the other problems we've had with this case.

Still if it's there's, I don't know how RG stepped in it, and the other two didn't.

With the way they hid the extensive testing on the footprints that said no blood in them, I would not be surprised if Stefanni did test this stain, but since it didn't yield what she needed, she hid it, just like she hid the "T" test that prove no blood was in the luminol foot prints.

BBM

I believe this has been tested as well. Just because there are other things in close proximity does not mean it cannot be tested. I believe that the results simply did not support it being RS's

 

[Allusonz]

yes. if I'm not mistaken, we have a court date coming up. I want to say it's the 21st, but don't quote me. :waitasec:

The 18th IIRC

 

[Allusonz]

I lost track of this case.
Is this case still in appeal?

Yes this case is still in the first appeal. I don't expect it to be finished anytime soon though. As well if they find them guilty again the moderators will need wigs from pulling their hair out :innocent:

 

[Allusonz]

It's not so much a matter of discrediting Filomina as recognizing the limits of eyewitness testimony. Allusonz has already pointed out Filomina's various recollections of how she left her shutters: perfectly normal, by the by, since she had no reason to memorize shutter positions at the time she left.

But her other statements are offered here as if they are true to a degree of scientific certainty.

Given that the suspicion of AK and RS was predicated largely on the assumption that the break-in was staged, there's no excuse for not processing that room thoroughly and by trained experts.

And while I'm not calling Filomena a liar, it is interesting that she pops up whenever ILE needs her to fill a hole in its case. Some people have a natural tendency to trust and help ILE, as we can see from posters in this thread.

BBM

I owe you a HUGE thank you. For some reason FR has bothered me throughout this case and in one simple phrase I think you put what it is that has bothered me. She does simply pop up just when she is most needed

THANK YOU!!!

 

[Nova]

I didn't know that at all, and I don't remember any ruling by the Court of it not being necessary. Where can I see that 'ruling'?

I recall a print/other stain of some kind being around or over the stain, and the other print/stain was chosen as more relevant. But if there is plenty of material to test... I'm all for it.

Interesting you want accuracy but the first claim made would be contamination, planting, conspiracy, or incompetant gathering/testing/reading results if whatever the stain was turned out to be RS's... or goodness gracious even AK's :innocent: .

This link just has Mignini saying it wasn't necessary to test the semen:

http://blog.seattlepi.com/dempsey/


This link says the appellate judge "decided" (God only knows how) that the semen stain (that's what it says; I'm not sure we know it is semen) was "not relevant" to this case! What is the judicial equivalent of "Keystone Kops"?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2010/12/18/amanda-knox-murder-evidence-will-be-retested.html

 

[Allusonz]

BTW, even my 13-year-old niece figured this case out relatively quickly when I challenged her to take a look at it and tell me what she thought.

Amazing how children can get right to the major points and bypass the crap when many adults cannot seem to do this. It is the reason I also ask my sons opinion on this case at times.

He puts it into perspective very quickly

 

[ziggy]

This link just has Mignini saying it wasn't necessary to test the semen:

http://blog.seattlepi.com/dempsey/


This link says the appellate judge "decided" (God only knows how) that the semen stain (that's what it says; I'm not sure we know it is semen) was "not relevant" to this case! What is the judicial equivalent of "Keystone Kops"?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2010/12/18/amanda-knox-murder-evidence-will-be-retested.html

Is there a little smiley thingy that is shown screaming in frustration and pulling all of its hair out??? Cuz I need that one to demonstrate my reaction to this - ON WHAT PLANET IS A SEMEN STAIN NOT RELEVANT TO A SO-CALLED "SEX GAME GONE BAD" MURDER? I'm sorry but I'm not going to mince words: the prosecutor is an effing narcissistic pervert with a giant gaping black hole where a moral compass should be.

 

[Nova]

Is there a little smiley thingy that is shown screaming in frustration and pulling all of its hair out??? Cuz I need that one to demonstrate my reaction to this - ON WHAT PLANET IS A SEMEN STAIN NOT RELEVANT TO A SO-CALLED "SEX GAME GONE BAD" MURDER? I'm sorry but I'm not going to mince words: the prosecutor is an effing narcissistic pervert with a giant gaping black hole where a moral compass should be.

Not just the prosecutor. The defense asked the judge to order the testing but the judge also said it wasn't necessary.

This entire trial is such a farce! I've long since stopped defending Italy or its judicial system. The courts seem to be run as efficiently and effectively as the trains.

True story: I was in Venice in 1979 and bought a ticket for the vaporetto (a water taxi that one uses in a city of canals). I bought the ticket at 11:59pm and then walked directly down a long pier and waited in a short line. No side trips, no stops to chat or sightsee. I walked directly from the ticket booth to the boat.

When I presented my ticket, I was informed it was now 12:01am and my ticket had expired with the previous day. I had to go all the way back and buy another one. The amount of money was small, but the principle of the matter greatly informed my view of Italy.

 

[SMK]

Exactly. So really nobody's fault.

Hey... how did you know my nickname :great: . Not really :crazy: .

:floorlaugh:

 

[SMK]

yes. if I'm not mistaken, we have a court date coming up. I want to say it's the 21st, but don't quote me. :waitasec:

I believe they said on June 18, one of the 5 will give testimony, cannot recall now, Mario Alessi probably, and later, Luciano Aviello.

Here it is:

In the meantime, the court granted a defense request to hear five new witnesses. Oddly —or maybe not for this case—all five witnesses are already in prison, serving time for everything from baby killing to drug trafficking.

Luciano Aviello, serving time for Mafia collusion, says his brother, who is on the lam, murdered Kercher. And Mario Alessi, serving a life sentence for kidnapping and killing a 17-month-old child, says he heard Guede admit to killing Kercher alone during a prison yard chat. Three prisoners who back up his story will also testify.

The five inmates will be heard on June 18 and 27.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/05/21/amanda-knox-trial-the-tragicomedy-of-her-appeal.html

 

[SMK]

Is there a little smiley thingy that is shown screaming in frustration and pulling all of its hair out??? Cuz I need that one to demonstrate my reaction to this - ON WHAT PLANET IS A SEMEN STAIN NOT RELEVANT TO A SO-CALLED "SEX GAME GONE BAD" MURDER? I'm sorry but I'm not going to mince words: the prosecutor is an effing narcissistic pervert with a giant gaping black hole where a moral compass should be.

Right, one WOULD think a semen stain would be hugely important in a sexual attack which is being claimed to be a 3 on 1 attack involving a female flatmate and her boyfriend!:maddening:

 

[dgfred]

I have to agree here Nova. It becomes very tiresome to continue to repeat the same things repeatedly especially things that have definately been disproven such as the luminol issue to use one example

Frustrating is right. Your example is perfect- luminol has been 'definately disproven' here and by supporters... but NOT in court or by the experts that gave their opinions at trial. The jury was confident the luminol prints WERE blood, as were the judges. So yes, it is very frustration/tiresome to keep reading the 'disproven' by internet proxy evidence over and over. :banghead:

 

[dgfred]

Is there a little smiley thingy that is shown screaming in frustration and pulling all of its hair out??? Cuz I need that one to demonstrate my reaction to this - ON WHAT PLANET IS A SEMEN STAIN NOT RELEVANT TO A SO-CALLED "SEX GAME GONE BAD" MURDER? I'm sorry but I'm not going to mince words: the prosecutor is an effing narcissistic pervert with a giant gaping black hole where a moral compass should be.

Nobody at all has testified that it IS a semen stain. It is the 'hope' of supporters that IF it is, it is someone besides RG (the lone-wolf :innocent: )
or RS.

'a narcissistic pervert with no morals'...... wow. Could you have the accused and the prosecutor mixed up? Maybe, no?

 

[dgfred]

This link just has Mignini saying it wasn't necessary to test the semen:

http://blog.seattlepi.com/dempsey/

This link says the appellate judge "decided" (God only knows how) that the semen stain (that's what it says; I'm not sure we know it is semen) was "not relevant" to this case! What is the judicial equivalent of "Keystone Kops"?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2010/12/18/amanda-knox-murder-evidence-will-be-retested.html

Oh ok, the Beast and Candace... I get it. Maybe you should put 'Keystone Journalist' instead :crazy: .

 

[dgfred]

I lost track of this case.
Is this case still in appeal?

Yes. Next hearings are June 18th and 27th for the Inmates to testify. June 30th the dna results are presented and July 25th they will discuss the results IIRC.

 

[dgfred]

I am a little cranky, fred, and I apologize for that. Most of the time it certainly isn't your fault. It's more frustration that we seem to circle back to same bogus arguments again and again.

If your own blood is found in your own house after you've been away, which is more likely? You snuck back in to bleed on stuff or you simply didn't notice the blood before you left?

Yeah, bogus is a word I think about alot here. Her blood at a murder scene is not so easily excused away no matter the circumstances of how it got there. She sure couldn't explain it. :waitasec:

So you think she didn't notice the blood that afternoon before, when she was right there probably brushing her teeth or something... but did notice it when she returned to breeze in for a shower? Riiiiggghhht. Seems like she may have 'snuck back in' instead. :innocent:

 

[dgfred]

OH? :waitasec:
I was understanding that the drop on the silver facuet, and now the cotton box that Dfred has brought up that I forgot about, had AK's blood only. I'd have to go back and look at there and see where I read it wrong.

No, I think you have it right. :woohoo:

 

[SMK]

From Nick Pisa at the Daily Mail today:

Five serving inmates including a convicted Mafia gangster will testify to Amanda Knox's innocence as part of her appeal case, it has emerged.
The prisoners will be escorted under heavy armed guard from various jails after a judge granted defence requests that they be heard as vital witnesses.
[. . . ]
But in recent months there has been growing doubts over the strength of their convictions.
DNA evidence presented at the original trial has been questioned and the motive is also in doubt, with prosecutors switching between a sex crime, theft, a domestic row between Knox and Meredith or all three.
The five witnesses will testify that Knox and Sollecito are innocent of the murder - with mobster Luciano Aviello insisting that it was his on-the-run brother Antonio who committed the crime.
In a series of letters to the court from Vercelli jail, near Turin, Aviello has claimed his brother murdered Meredith after she disturbed him during a break in at the house in Perugia.Aviello, who is serving ten years for Mafia-related crimes, also claims his brother gave him a set of keys to the house and the murder weapon to hide and that neither item has ever been found.
The others who will give evidence include convicted child murderer Mario Alessi, who claims he was told Knox and Sollecito were innocent while sharing a cell with Rudy Guede, 23, who was convicted of Meredith's murder at an earlier trial.
[. . . ]
Knox's lawyer, Carlo Dalla Vedova, said: 'All of the five have very important evidence to give and we have taken statements from them and videotaped their interviews.
'They all say that Amanda and Raffaele are innocent - Aviello insists that his brother carried out the murder and he was given the keys and knife to hide.
'We asked that he be heard during the original trial after he wrote to the judge three times, but this was denied us.
'The decision made was the correct one and the five serving prisoners will all give evidence to the appeal - in essence they all heard in jail that Amanda and Raffaele are innocent and the court will hear them and decide.'


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2004335/Five-inmates-including-convicted-mobster-testify-Amanda-Knox-innocent-British-students-murder-appeal.html#ixzz1PSNQukNN

 

[SMK]

Just noting this, not sure why:

A self-described Amanda Knox fan must stand trial for “religious insult” after creating an artwork that depicts the U.S. college student with–get set for the illegal part–Pope Giovanni Paolo II.

Francesco Di Ruggerio was arrested after trying twice to put this Knox/Papa photomontage directly into her hands in court. “Dreams don’t end in prison,” he wrote on the tribute.

Amanda and co-defendant Raffaele Sollecito are appealing their conviction for the slashing death of her British roommate Meredith Kercher in Perugia, Italy, nearly four years ago.

Lest Francesco’s devotion seem merely comical, if not demented, Italy’s Caffé News has posted an interview (see below), translated into English specifically for U.S. readers.

‎”He brought a photomontage of Amanda Knox and the Holy Father to be given to her family,” the story points out. “But his plan failed in the courtroom: arrested by police officers, he was taken to police headquarters, where they proceeded with his identification. His photomontage was seized and he was charged with the violation of law 403 of penal code (which concerns insults to official religion). He would be guilty of religion insult.”http://blog.seattlepi.com/dempsey/2011/06/15/amanda-knox-fan-busted-for-religious-insult/