Meredith Kercher murdered-Amanda Knox appeals conviction #15

[Allusonz]

I destroy my credibility? What exactly does that mean? Please review the terms of service: personal, derogatory remarks towards other posters are not welcome on this forum.

Knox and her mother were recorded discussing Knox falsely accusing an innocent man of murder. Police could not act directly on that taped information as the information was not given directly to them. They accepted, reviewed and sought independent evidence to clear Patrick. That investigation required two weeks, and on the basis of independent evidence Patrick was released from prison.

Wrong plain and simple. PL was not released because ILE would not believe his alibi whom they interrogated for 7 hours

 

[Allusonz]

Absolutely. It should be abundantly clear to all that the defense has embraced the fact that Guede did not act alone.'

Guede could have fallen climbing in the window or out the window or maybe no one climbed through the window at all ... since the broken glass from the window was on the outside window ledge but not a single shard of glass on the ground below. Anyone climbing in the window would have brushed the glass off the ledge to avoid being cut while climbing in the window, or would have been cut at least once with all that broken glass everywhere ... still, no evidence that anyone was cut by the glass except for Knox. We have one piece of glass in Filomina's room with a mixture of Knox and Meredith DNA.

BBM

Where does one come up with these totally bizarre statements? Sorry this is turning into a circus

 

[Allusonz]

Regardless of what Hendry says regarding additional keys to the front door, a resident of the cottage has testified that there was no fifth key. Therefore, Hendry and his theory are mistaken.

Which defendant is claiming that Guede acted alone?

You are very familiar with Hendry's presentation. Nice try though. At no time has he ever mentioned 5 keys as most here are very aware of. It seems though others are not

 

[Allusonz]

My point was that Knox did not clarify for police on Nov 6 that she lied about Patrick. In order to support my point, I only needed the one sentence: "And I stand by my statements that I made last night about events that could have taken place in my home with Patrik ...". There is nothing to be gained in terms of supporting my point by copying and pasting the entire letter as my point would be lost in the confusion.

Normally there should be no need to but in order to clarify what was actually written when it has been quoted out of context it was required

 

[Allusonz]

If we are to presume that Edda was befuddled because she didn't speak Italian, and Knox was seriously prone to misspeaking repeatedly while giving information in relation to a murder investigation, then I think we can presume that the wall-scaling Guede can go down as easily as he can go up - even in the dark.

Please don't presume anything of what I think. I am quite capable of posting my own beliefs. I have made this request before and thus I request it again

 

[Allusonz]

Hmmmmmm, sounds like it would be fairly easy to exclude the possibility that anyone climbed in or out through the window ... thus the prosecution theory of a staged break-in which is confirmed by the placement of broken glass on the objects that were strewn around the room by the murderers.

HHHHHMMMMMMMMMMMMM since I know it is very possible to climb through that window as has been discussed a ridiculous number of times and that no one for the prosecution could confirm or presented expert opinions on whether it was staged I once again fail to see the logic to this

 

[Allusonz]

1. You claim not to have read Hendry.

2. The defense asked that people claiming to have relevant evidence be heard. That does not, in an of itself, make a "theory."

3. A criminal trial is not a battle of one theory v. another anyway.

4. Guede's claims of a second party were always obviously self-serving and not to be taken at face value.

5. The defense was interested in reputed remarks by RG that AK and RS were not involved, not whether RG's claims were true in toto.

6. RG said what ILE wanted him to say. I'm shocked!

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I simply had to for my own sanity!!! Thank you Nova

 

[Allusonz]

Good summary. And to answer another poster's objection, I think it's a rare "second-story man" who goes back out the way he came in. Unless there's a very convenient fire escape, I think all such intruders expect to go out the front door.

Rudy in other breakins as well did not leave the way he went in thus that posters arguments are even more absurd

 

[Allusonz]

Per the above post re: Hendry, I understood the theory was that there was an extra imagined key in the lock that Guede was going to use to exit the cottage, but because Meredith took this imagined key out of the lock, Guede was trapped ... except he wasn't trapped because the theory is that he acted alone and climbed in through the window, so he could just as easily have climbed out the window.

This is blatently false considering how much of his stuff you have posted in this forum regarding Hendry and there is no 5th key

 

[mdana]

*Anyone thinking the bathroom pic was in blood is 'not well' IMO.

Go over to True Justice for MK or Statement Analysis, because most posters ridiculed AK for taking a shower in such a bloody mess. They were convinced only a murderer would shower in such a butcher shop of horrors.

The original post was edited for the pertinent section.

I responded to the contention "Anyone thinking the bathroom pic was in blood is 'not well' IMO", with my experience at those two sites. It was not meant as a complaint of the two sites. The implication being that phrase "not well" means abnormal. It was to show that people are mislead by those photos even years later, and that it is not an abnormal occurence.

I have seen the same on comments sections relating to the case as well. It was for example purposes.

Are we supposed to refrain from citing other websites?

 

[Allusonz]

So in your view ILE should have released Patrick... because someone else admitted/accused of being at the murder scene NOW tells her mom that it is her fault Patrick is in jail? His alibi is what it took two weeks to prove, not that the accusation itself was false. How would ILE know which story was true when a now suspect is being forgetful/deceptive/contradictory/evasive/suspicious/confused/etc? Once he was 'accused' they had to check it out, regardless of whether another witness/suspect changed their mind.

Ok now I am truly scratching my head. First the only reason PL was in arrested was because AK lied if I go with your theory. His alibi had to travel back to Italy to speak with ILE, he gave him his alibi after 7 hours of interrogation yet now ILE would not know which one was telling the truth?

 

[Allusonz]

'less' damaging maybe... but damaging none the less. No reasonable person IMO is going to believe that she accused an innocent person because of 2 hours of 'pressure and confusion' AND because she was unsure what was real and what was a dream... or any best truth she can remember. Of course there was pressure in a murder inquiry, and confusion from trying to pry the facts out of the 'dreams'. She still does in fact say 'I STAND BY MY STATEMENTS THAT I MADE LAST NIGHT'.... :innocent:

AK was on the phone with FR when she was told while on the phone that ILE wanted to speak with her. Funny how that phone call was around 10:30 and RS declaration was at 10:40 yet I am suppose to believe that she was taken and questioned as a witness?

 

[Allusonz]

So in your view ILE should have released Patrick... because someone else admitted/accused of being at the murder scene NOW tells her mom that it is her fault Patrick is in jail? His alibi is what it took two weeks to prove, not that the accusation itself was false. How would ILE know which story was true when a now suspect is being forgetful/deceptive/contradictory/evasive/suspicious/confused/etc? Once he was 'accused' they had to check it out, regardless of whether another witness/suspect changed their mind.

Maybe instead of arresting AK because she ate pizza, did the la mosa movement, and sobbed at the crime scene they should of waited till the forensics came back

 

[Allusonz]

We do know what Knox said in court because the video is available online and reporters that are fluent in English and Italian attended the hearing. Knox said that the first time that she, Sollecito and Guede were in the same room together was in the courtroom in Perugia. ABC news sanitized that statement to paint Knox with a cleaner paintbrush and announced that Knox claimed the only time she had ever been in a room together with Guede in her life was in the courtroom. By omitting Sollecito from the statement, they inadvertently transformed her statement into a lie.

Have a look at Knox's court testimony for information regarding the times they met prior to the murder (at her place of work, in the square, at a party in the downstairs flat in the cottage).

It seems to me that we had discussion in the last couple of months regarding whether the US media was sanitizing trial facts; whether the information provided to the public omitted information regarding evidence. The ABC clip is a good example of misleading US media information about the case.

I find this to be truly odd considering skynews had her saying they were all DRUNK together but yet this particular version is the one that exception is taken with

 

[wasnt_me]

In my house there are three of us. We leave breakfast and lunch dishes to soak in the sink and then someone washes them just before we make the one, communal meal of the day, evening supper. Then the dishes are washed again after that third meal.

There's three of us here, too, and since 2 of us have 4 paws each, it's a wondering NOTHING gets done! I'm their maid. To be fair, they only got 4 dishes, though.

 

[wasnt_me]

BBM: Because first she called Patsy Ramsey and asked for advice.

:floorlaugh:

Yeah, cause advice from Casey's Anthony's mom wouldn't have done a damn bit of good!

 

[wasnt_me]

I didn't realize you couldn't get out the front door if it was locked and you didn't have a key. Makes the finding Meredith's keys much easier for me to believe.

Yeah, someone probably already said this to you, but the lock was broken and the door wouldn't stay shut without locking it. Their doors had key holes on both sides, apparently. Which includes MK's room door. So that's why locking her in is supposed to be significant, but if RG had the keys to get himself out, then he probably could have figured out which key was her room key. It's doubtful that she had like 20 keys on her ring, since she'd just moved to Italy, didn't drive a car, and I don't know what she'd need a bunch of keys for. Except if she had added them to her keychain from the UK.

It's another reason I "heard" that Ak wasn't too concerned about the front door being open, since it would do that if someone forgot to properly lock it.

 

[wasnt_me]

Yes, and this is what made Hendry's "Lone Wolf scenario" analysis so believable. He pictures Guede in the bathroom, hearing Meredith come in early and interrupt his robbery in progress. Too afraid to move, he sits there wondering what to do, then rises without flushing the toilet as he does not want to alert MK with any sound. Trying to make a swift exit via the front door, he is horrified to find it locked and the key gone (MK has taken it to her room fro the night). Had it been a normal door, I am convinced he would have quickly exited, as he had not been seen. Trapped, he went to confront MK, and the rest is history.

yeah, but I don't understand why he didn't just try to go back out the window. I mean, I guess he could have but she heard him moving around the house.

I think she caught him on the toilet and probably ran to her room to get the keys herself, so she could get out of there.

 

[wasnt_me]

Wow, up to page 16 in this thread... didn't know a new thread had started....

Looks like the fears IIRC expressed by SMK turned out to be true - namely, bringing a jail snitch to open the door so that Rudy could then be called to testify - from there he could point the finger of guilt toward AK/RS...

Something about the way this snitch suddenly came forward really stinks in my opinion!

And where have YOU been oldsteve? Good to "see" you!

:great:

The jailhouse informants had come forward way back during RG's appeal. In the last phases, but no one would hear them out. I happen to believe RG told them something, and it could have been that story, because I'm sure RG would blame his mother rather than himself.

What's strange and needs to come out is that RG said not only to these prisoners that Ak and RS were not there, but he also said it in his skype call, and he couldn't even identify RS in the beginning phases after his arrest. (I think allusonz told us that earlier in this thread).

As far as the mob brother, he never ever should have been let out of his cage.

 

[wasnt_me]

You are reading a secondhand account. You don't know for sure what AK actually said and what is a transliteration. Even the claims that AK had met RG before the murder are based on what evidence?

And again I remind you that not everyone who misspeaks is lying.

But some people are just as careless with the truth as AK is accused of being.

Nova, I've warned you about those tricky statements. AK did not say it was the first time she and RG were in a room together. She said it was the first time that RG, she and RS had been in a room together. There's a big difference and the difference is significant.

She couldn't have said that she, MK and RG had never been in a room together, because the girls had seen RG downstairs. RS was never downstairs or present when RG was around, because RS had just met AK a week prior.