Meredith Kercher murdered-Amanda Knox appeals conviction #15

[SMK]

From Barbie Nadeau, Perugia:

Amanda Knox DNA Shocker


A day after Knox lashed out at her dubious accuser, she got a break on Wednesday with a new report that could lead to her exoneration. Barbie Latza Nadeau reports from Italy.

Amanda Knox's chances for freedom were bolstered on Wednesday when independent forensic experts submitted their report on crucial DNA evidence used to convict Knox and her former boyfriend Raffaele Sollecito. In the report, obtained by The Daily Beast, the experts say that due to "mishandling of the crime scene, contamination cannot be ruled out" on a knife with Knox's DNA on the handle and what prosecution claimed was Kercher's on the blade and on the victim's bra with Sollecito's DNA on the metal clasp. The findings will be presented to the Perugia appellate court on July 25.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/06/27/amanda-knox-appeal-hearing-raffaele-sollecito-waffles.html.html

 

[Allusonz]

Sorry forgot to include the translation of the PDF file which the experts filed (JBean I think I got this right this time since it is a public document, crosses fingers lol)

CONCLUSIONS

Based on the considerations explained above, we are able to respond as follows to the inquiries posed at the assignment hearing:

"Having examined the record and conducted such technical investigations as shall be necessary, the Expert Panel shall ascertain:

1. whether it is possible, by means of a new technical analysis, to identify the DNA present on items 165b (bra clasp) and 36 (knife), and to determine the reliability of any such identification"

- The tests that we conducted to determine the presence of blood on item 36 (knife) and item 165B (bra clasps) yielded a negative result.

- The cytomorphological tests on the items did not reveal the presence of cellular material. Some samples of item 36 (knife), in particular sample "H", present granules with a circular/hexagonal characteristic morphology with a cental radial structure. A more detailed microscopic study, together with the consultation of data in the litterature, allowed us to ascertain that the structures in question are attributable to granules of starch, thus matter of a vegetable nature.

- The quantification of the extracts obtained from the samples obtained from item 36 (knife) and item 165B (bra clasps), conducted via Real Time PCR, did not reveal the presence of DNA.

- In view of the absence of DNA in the extracts that we obtained, with the agreement of the consultants for the parties, we did not proceed to the subsequent amplification step.

2. "if it is not possible to carry out a new technical analysis, shall evaluate, on the basis of the record, the degree of reliability of the genetic analysis performed by the Scientific Police on the aforementioned items, including with respect to possible contamination."

Having examined the record and the relevant documents, we are able to report the following conclusions regarding the laboratory analyses performed on Item 36 (knife) and Item 165B (bra clasps):

ITEM 36 (KNIFE)

Relative to the genetic analysis performed on trace A (handle of the knife), we agree with the conclusion reached by the Technical Consultant regarding the attribution of the genetic profile obtained from these samples to Amanda Marie Knox.

Relative to trace B (blade of the knife) we find that the technical analyses performed are not reliable for the following reasons:

1. There does not exist evidence which scientifically confirms that trace B (blade of knife) is the product of blood.

2. The electrophoretic profiles exhibited reveal that the sample indicated by the letter B (blade of knife) was a Low Copy Number (LCN) sample, and, as such, all of the precautions indicated by the international scientific community should have been applied.

3. Taking into account that none of the recommendations of the international scientific community relative to the treatment of Low Copy Number (LCN) samples were followed, we do not accept the conclusions regarding the certain attribution of the profile found on trace B (blade of knife) to the victim Meredith Susanna Cara Kercher, since the genetic profile, as obtained, appears unreliable insofar as it is not supported by scientifically validated analysis;

4. International protocols of inspection, collection, and sampling were not followed;

5. It cannot be ruled out that the result obtained from sample B (blade of knife) derives from contamination in some phase of the collection and/or handling and/or analyses performed.

ITEM 165B (BRA CLASPS)

Relative to Item 165B (bra clasps), we find that the technical analysis is not reliable for the following reasons:

1. There does not exist evidence which scientifically confirms the presence of supposed flaking cells on the item;

2. There was an erroneous interpretation of the electrophoretic profile of the autosomic STRs;

3. There was an erroneous interpretation of the electrophoretic profile relative to the Y chromosome;

4. The international protocols for inspection, collection, and sampling of the item were not followed;

5. It cannot be ruled out that the results obtained derive from environmental contamination and/or contamination in some phase of the collection and/or handling of the item.

THE EXPERTS

Prof. Carla Vecchiotti

Prof. Stefano Conti

 

[emyr]

If both of those pieces of evidence are ruled out, then the question is what the judge thinks about the contested shoe print in the room and the contested bare foot print in the bathroom. The Messai report seemed to concede the footprint in the bedroom was up for grabs, but it states that the footprint in the bathroom was not.

Also if the court is requiring you believe there are multiple people (because of the nature of the attack) and requiring you to believe that there is a cover-up then you would note that only Amanda's bare prints are flourescing in the house and no other. Therefore the evidence tilts that the other person is Amanda. I believe the Messai report stated it was up for grabs if the murder could have been committed by one person or multiple people, it was the DNA on the knife that required multiple people, multiple knives.

I disagree with others that "false confessions" and even a tendency to lie to police and in the courts, means one is connected to the crime. Actually if that were true, then Kokamani is the likely accessory as there is evidence he was near the cottage, saw the broken down car out front, and lied when he said Amanda was there throwing olives at him. Ergo, he is lying as part of a cover up that he was there.

 

[Allusonz]

Mdana, where've you been all my life?:blowkiss:

Oh and some kisses, too, for SMK, Nova, Alli, Malk, miley, and all the rest on the island.

Right back at you my friend now we just need your straight jacket to have puppy paws!!!

 

[Allusonz]

If both of those pieces of evidence are ruled out, then the question is what the judge thinks about the contested shoe print in the room and the contested bare foot print in the bathroom. The Messai report seemed to concede the footprint in the bedroom was up for grabs, but it states that the footprint in the bathroom was not.

Also if the court is requiring you believe there are multiple people (because of the nature of the attack) and requiring you to believe that there is a cover-up then you would note that only Amanda's bare prints are flourescing in the house and no other. Therefore the evidence tilts that the other person is Amanda. I believe the Messai report stated it was up for grabs if the murder could have been committed by one person or multiple people, it was the DNA on the knife that required multiple people, multiple knives.

I disagree with others that "false confessions" and even a tendency to lie to police and in the courts, means one is connected to the crime. Actually if that were true, then Kokamani is the likely accessory as there is evidence he was near the cottage, saw the broken down car out front, and lied when he said Amanda was there throwing olives at him. Ergo, he is lying as part of a cover up that he was there.

I would think the TOD and computer activity would be of more importance but that is simply MOO. The bathmat is a partial print and cannot be attributed to any one individual by any of the experts with 100% certainty.

As well I think you are referring to the luminol prints which tested negative for blood and by which Stephanoni perjured herself over whether these were tested with TMB. Therefore they did not have MK's DNA. It is also important to note that ILE did not take everyones footprints for comparison. The crime scene was as well not sealed properly

 

[emyr]

Sorry forgot to include the translation of the PDF file which the experts filed (JBean I think I got this right this time since it is a public document, crosses fingers lol)

CONCLUSIONS

Based on the considerations explained above, we are able to respond as follows to the inquiries posed at the assignment hearing:

"Having examined the record and conducted such technical investigations as shall be necessary, the Expert Panel shall ascertain:

1. whether it is possible, by means of a new technical analysis, to identify the DNA present on items 165b (bra clasp) and 36 (knife), and to determine the reliability of any such identification"

- The tests that we conducted to determine the presence of blood on item 36 (knife) and item 165B (bra clasps) yielded a negative result.

- The cytomorphological tests on the items did not reveal the presence of cellular material. Some samples of item 36 (knife), in particular sample "H", present granules with a circular/hexagonal characteristic morphology with a cental radial structure. A more detailed microscopic study, together with the consultation of data in the litterature, allowed us to ascertain that the structures in question are attributable to granules of starch, thus matter of a vegetable nature.

- The quantification of the extracts obtained from the samples obtained from item 36 (knife) and item 165B (bra clasps), conducted via Real Time PCR, did not reveal the presence of DNA.

- In view of the absence of DNA in the extracts that we obtained, with the agreement of the consultants for the parties, we did not proceed to the subsequent amplification step.

2. "if it is not possible to carry out a new technical analysis, shall evaluate, on the basis of the record, the degree of reliability of the genetic analysis performed by the Scientific Police on the aforementioned items, including with respect to possible contamination."

Having examined the record and the relevant documents, we are able to report the following conclusions regarding the laboratory analyses performed on Item 36 (knife) and Item 165B (bra clasps):

ITEM 36 (KNIFE)

Relative to the genetic analysis performed on trace A (handle of the knife), we agree with the conclusion reached by the Technical Consultant regarding the attribution of the genetic profile obtained from these samples to Amanda Marie Knox.

Relative to trace B (blade of the knife) we find that the technical analyses performed are not reliable for the following reasons:

1. There does not exist evidence which scientifically confirms that trace B (blade of knife) is the product of blood.

2. The electrophoretic profiles exhibited reveal that the sample indicated by the letter B (blade of knife) was a Low Copy Number (LCN) sample, and, as such, all of the precautions indicated by the international scientific community should have been applied.

3. Taking into account that none of the recommendations of the international scientific community relative to the treatment of Low Copy Number (LCN) samples were followed, we do not accept the conclusions regarding the certain attribution of the profile found on trace B (blade of knife) to the victim Meredith Susanna Cara Kercher, since the genetic profile, as obtained, appears unreliable insofar as it is not supported by scientifically validated analysis;

4. International protocols of inspection, collection, and sampling were not followed;

5. It cannot be ruled out that the result obtained from sample B (blade of knife) derives from contamination in some phase of the collection and/or handling and/or analyses performed.

ITEM 165B (BRA CLASPS)

Relative to Item 165B (bra clasps), we find that the technical analysis is not reliable for the following reasons:

1. There does not exist evidence which scientifically confirms the presence of supposed flaking cells on the item;

2. There was an erroneous interpretation of the electrophoretic profile of the autosomic STRs;

3. There was an erroneous interpretation of the electrophoretic profile relative to the Y chromosome;

4. The international protocols for inspection, collection, and sampling of the item were not followed;

5. It cannot be ruled out that the results obtained derive from environmental contamination and/or contamination in some phase of the collection and/or handling of the item.

THE EXPERTS

Prof. Carla Vecchiotti

Prof. Stefano Conti

Oh wow, that's very definitive.

Yeah, I think I'm going to have to side with the defense.

 

[mdana]

I see the journalist is comparing Knox to Karla Bernardo. If I viewed her this way, I would of course see her as guilty as well. And why should Guede be believed, after all of his lies, and what he did to Meredith? If Meredith were my sister, daughter, I would be furious at Guede for what he did. Why is his word good now?




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http://www.examiner.com/criminal-pr...ible-to-see-her-go-through-that#ixzz1QfLOZvYf

Wow, that is an absurd stretch to equate someone in a longterm abusive relationship with a long series of murders to a person with no violent history outside of this "alleged" murder. That writer destroyed any credibility with that comparison. To compare the limited flimsy evidence for AK with videos and mountains of other evidence from the Bernado case just strains belief.

 

[mdana]

From Barbie Nadeau, Perugia:




http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/06/27/amanda-knox-appeal-hearing-raffaele-sollecito-waffles.html.html

Notice how she phrases it "got a break", instead of something like RS and AK finally got a fair shake or something more neutral. Still selling her false narrative.

 

[mdana]

Anyone having trouble getting on the TJMK site? I was wondering how they were taking this news, but I have not been able to access. I am having no other troubles with any other sites.

 

[dgfred]

Notice how she phrases it "got a break", instead of something like RS and AK finally got a fair shake or something more neutral. Still selling her false narrative.

Who 'leaked' the information?
Why would it be 'leaked' before it was presented to the court tomorrow (IIRC was the day)?
Why would it be made public before the court has it and before they give their reports on the analysis in July?
Will the person(s) responsible for the 'leak' get into trouble for this?

Can contamination EVER be completely ruled out in any case or piece of evidence? Isn't anything possible?

 

[dgfred]

Anyone having trouble getting on the TJMK site? I was wondering how they were taking this news, but I have not been able to access. I am having no other troubles with any other sites.

No, not having any trouble at all.

 

[dgfred]

Anyone having trouble getting on the TJMK site? I was wondering how they were taking this news, but I have not been able to access. I am having no other troubles with any other sites.

Spoke too soon... some on PMF had the same problem.

 

[dgfred]

Oh wow, that's very definitive.

Yeah, I think I'm going to have to side with the defense.

Yeah, we had a pretty good idea of that already :innocent: .

 

[SMK]

I think no matter how you spin this, it is excellent for the defense. To say otherwise seems like denial at this late date. Guede saying they were there is going to be taken with a grain of salt, but the panel of experts are clearly saying the evidence was not reliable.

 

[dgfred]

Who's 'spinning' anything that you have noticed?

 

[SMK]

Who 'leaked' the information?
Why would it be 'leaked' before it was presented to the court tomorrow (IIRC was the day)?
Why would it be made public before the court has it and before they give their reports on the analysis in July?
Will the person(s) responsible for the 'leak' get into trouble for this?

Can contamination EVER be completely ruled out in any case or piece of evidence? Isn't anything possible?

Well, they leaked it to the Associated Press in Rome, so they clearly felt confident about letting it out early. And they gave very strong statements, very bold.

 

[dgfred]

Right, but who? Who did the english interpretation?

 

[SMK]

Right, but who? Who did the english interpretation?

Not sure, but AGI picked it up in Italian......and Barbie Nadeau - whose Italian translations are praised to the skies on PMF - is in Perugia and reports the same. I know one can say any number of things about Bruce Fisher, but this report is what he indicated it would be nearly one year ago....

 

[SMK]

Anyone having trouble getting on the TJMK site? I was wondering how they were taking this news, but I have not been able to access. I am having no other troubles with any other sites.

Tried about 4 x. The site is clearly down. Apt symbolism for sure.

 

[dgfred]

Of course she is going to report on what was 'leaked'. That doesn't really help with who leaked it in the first place.

Why would it be leaked if it was to just be presented to the court tomorrow and their reports on the findings wouldn't be presented until July?

Isn't this just like 'negative' media influencing the public that was spoken so much of before... only it is 'positive' for the defendants?

Why would they need to present the results in court in July when everyone (public) will already know?