Meredith Kercher murdered-Amanda Knox appeals conviction #15

[SMK]

Even I have to admit I am very surprised at how strong the wording is and how far they took the review but it did need to be strong in order to put any suspicions to rest. That was one of the reasons I was being so overly cautious but after reviewing this further....I don't believe the report could be any more scathing

ETA The other thought to this is I now wonder what RG could do?

what do you mean by this ETA? Because I had been really confused by the less than stellar performance by the Defense with Guede, but now I think I know why:

They knew they had this victory, and that Guede would hurtle down into nothing.

 

[SMK]

there was no possibility to retest the dna, contamination cannot be ruled out but has not been proven, and for the rest, i guess we'll have to wait until the people at the meredith kercher support website (the "flawed" site) translate the report.

I suspect it will become a battle of the experts.

 

[SMK]

I just hope your trust/predictions/BF's predictions/etc are not premature. It might be a 'razzapalooza' if the hopes don't pan out in the end. It is a sort of 'match' (tho tragic), in that the trial will does have highs and lows for both sides... only in the end will WE as observers for the most part find out the judges/jurors decisions. If PMF bothers you so much, why don't you register and post your opinions in a polite way... if not confrontational or rude I'm sure you would get answers from good-faith honest posters like Fiona and Yummi, at least in my opinion you would.

This for example will be one report, the prosecution and Meredith's lawyer will counter with other reports/experts/opinions and the court/judge/jurors will weigh the value of each IMO. As I stated before, IMO the entire case does not rely on just these two pieces of the mosaic of evidence anyway.

I would no longer trust what they said ! :razz:

 

[Monzoo]

I just hope your trust/predictions/BF's predictions/etc are not premature. It might be a 'razzapalooza' if the hopes don't pan out in the end. It is a sort of 'match' (tho tragic), in that the trial will does have highs and lows for both sides... only in the end will WE as observers for the most part find out the judges/jurors decisions. If PMF bothers you so much, why don't you register and post your opinions in a polite way... if not confrontational or rude I'm sure you would get answers from good-faith honest posters like Fiona and Yummi, at least in my opinion you would.

This for example will be one report, the prosecution and Meredith's lawyer will counter with other reports/experts/opinions and the court/judge/jurors will weigh the value of each IMO. As I stated before, IMO the entire case does not rely on just these two pieces of the mosaic of evidence anyway.

I think you are forgetting the defense -- they will also have the opportunity to weigh in. This, after all, is a report from experts appointed by the court. The fact that they seem to agree on all points with RS' and AK's defense teams does not mean that the defenses will not also have the opportunity to present their own arguments.

 

[dgfred]

I would no longer trust what they said ! :razz:

What does that have to do with posting your thoughts on the case? Of course you don't trust their opinions on the case because yours are not the same.

You have no valid reason in my opinion not to 'trust' those posters I mentioned and their debates. It will be cordial and polite I'm almost positive... if not you can certainly leave.

 

[SMK]

I think you are forgetting the defense -- they will also have the opportunity to weigh in. This, after all, is a report from experts appointed by the court. The fact that they seem to agree on all points with RS' and AK's defense teams does not mean that the defenses will not also have the opportunity to present their own arguments.

This is the crux of it: The review by the Independent panel has weighed the prosecution's evidence in the balance, and it has come up wanting. Ergo, the quantum of evidence has a preponderance toward the defense, and the defense now has the ear of the panel, and the truth is being revealed after 3 1/2 years. This is the strongest indication that all will be well with the defendants I have seen since they were convicted. If only I had some of their good luck.

 

[dgfred]

I think you are forgetting the defense -- they will also have the opportunity to weigh in. This, after all, is a report from experts appointed by the court. The fact that they seem to agree on all points with RS' and AK's defense teams does not mean that the defenses will not also have the opportunity to present their own arguments.

No I didn't forget, I just didn't mention them because of course they are going to agree with anything contradicting the prosecution's case. It will still be up to the judges/jurors to decide which if any hold the most weight.

 

[SMK]

What does that have to do with posting your thoughts on the case? Of course you don't trust their opinions on the case because yours are not the same.

You have no valid reason in my opinion not to 'trust' those posters I mentioned and their debates. It will be cordial and polite I'm almost positive... if not you can certainly leave.

I could try, but I must say, I am totally disenchanted with the lot of them.

To go this wrong, to be this astray on such a basic foundation of the case, does not speak well of them. There is something in philosophy called reaching the apex and reversal of an argument. I believe this has happened. Before today, it was the prosecution which had the strength. After today, there is a new condition.

 

[dgfred]

We shall see.

 

[SMK]

We shall see.

Well, there is the old saying, "Do not haloo, until you are out of the woods." So I am trusting nothing, but there are cooler winds blowing.........

 

[SMK]

It hit me: Knox and Sollecito may get out and dance a jig, and things will not have changed one whit for me, or gotten any better for me. So why do I care? I guess for justice, though lord knows if they go free, millions will still perish in the flames. And I am sure neither Knox, nor Sollecito, nor Kercher, would ever spend the time thinking about us, that we have about them. On that note, good night. fftobed:

 

[wasnt_me]

Seems a leaked report went out today in Rome to the Associated Press: was picked up by AGI, the British Telegraph, and Fox news this a.m.: "The international procedures for inspection, protocol and collection of evidence were not followed" for both the bra clasp and the knife, they said.



http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/0...taminated-forensic-experts-say/#ixzz1QfOyjIrl

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/8605875/DNA-experts-raise-doubts-over-Amanda-Knox-evidence.html

:great::rocker::woohoo:

:rollercoaster::yourock::loveyou::slapfight:arty:artyguy2::up:

 

[wasnt_me]

The experts say in the report filed to the Perugia court on and obtained by The Associated Press that the genetic profile attributed to Kercher is "unreliable" and cannot be attributed with certainty. They said results may have been contaminated on both the blade and bra clasp.
Regarding the blade, the experts said: "We believe that the technical tests are not reliable." The document said the tests did not conform to international standards and procedures. "It cannot be ruled out that the result obtained ... may stem from contamination," said the report's conclusions.
The experts reached a similar conclusion regarding the bra clasp.
The findings are likely to please the defense, which had long maintained DNA traces were inconclusive and that they might have been contaminated when they were collected and analyzed.


From The Detroit News: http://detnews.com/article/20110629...test-DNA-evidence-at-Knox-trial#ixzz1QfzHsAds

:floorlaugh::great::floorlaugh::rocker:

Hee--haw!

 

[SkewedView]

No I didn't forget, I just didn't mention them because of course they are going to agree with anything contradicting the prosecution's case. It will still be up to the judges/jurors to decide which if any hold the most weight.

Delurking one last time, bold by me...

Fred has a very good point here - the Judges/Jury really can rule on the evidence however they wish...we can argue until we are blue in the face about what their ethical obligations might be, but it makes no difference. In a world where three quarters of all false confession cases that have absolutely zero evidence for guilt still lead to guilty verdicts, you really can't reliably say just what a Jury will decide until they actually do, especially since evidence, no matter how contested it may be, actually has been presented in this case. IMO, it's still anybody's ball game, and the victory dances on both sides in the past few days have all been premature.

Okay, going back to my dark little corner to just observe the chaos for a while...

 

[wasnt_me]

If both of those pieces of evidence are ruled out, then the question is what the judge thinks about the contested shoe print in the room and the contested bare foot print in the bathroom. The Messai report seemed to concede the footprint in the bedroom was up for grabs, but it states that the footprint in the bathroom was not.

Also if the court is requiring you believe there are multiple people (because of the nature of the attack) and requiring you to believe that there is a cover-up then you would note that only Amanda's bare prints are flourescing in the house and no other. Therefore the evidence tilts that the other person is Amanda. I believe the Messai report stated it was up for grabs if the murder could have been committed by one person or multiple people, it was the DNA on the knife that required multiple people, multiple knives.

I disagree with others that "false confessions" and even a tendency to lie to police and in the courts, means one is connected to the crime. Actually if that were true, then Kokamani is the likely accessory as there is evidence he was near the cottage, saw the broken down car out front, and lied when he said Amanda was there throwing olives at him. Ergo, he is lying as part of a cover up that he was there.

For the footprint ont he bathmat, I invite you to look at the link in my signature, where RS's appeal goes on for pages about how those tests were wrong, too, and with all this bad evidence collecting, hopefully the judge is now willing to listen.

 

[wasnt_me]

Right back at you my friend now we just need your straight jacket to have puppy paws!!!

Oh I'm busting out of the straight jacket now, because this is cause to celebrate!

Where's my sealion horse and my straw wine hat? I feel like a ride!:bananalama:

 

[wasnt_me]

I would think the TOD and computer activity would be of more importance but that is simply MOO. The bathmat is a partial print and cannot be attributed to any one individual by any of the experts with 100% certainty.

As well I think you are referring to the luminol prints which tested negative for blood and by which Stephanoni perjured herself over whether these were tested with TMB. Therefore they did not have MK's DNA. It is also important to note that ILE did not take everyones footprints for comparison. The crime scene was as well not sealed properly

And the walls come tumbling down!

and the walls come rumbling, rumbling, tumbling, tumbling DOOOOWWWN!!!!

:great:

 

[wasnt_me]

I am so happy. I was outside with the dogs, and I was chanting "justice for Meredith, justice for Amanda, and Justice for Rafe!"

Then it hit me.

If this is true, MK's story can finally be known. Her struggle, her fight and what really befell her can finally be known to the world. If this appeal can finally uncover that, then MK can rest in peace. Finally.

I know you'll think I'm crazy, but I spoke to her. I have before, and usually it's a terrible sorrow and I say that I'm sorry for what happened to her. This time I said the same thing to her, but I then said that finally she'll be released, too, and she'll be free, too, because the truth will be revealed.

I'm spiritual. Some may or may not agree about spirits being laid to rest, but I really hope and pray for the truth so MK can have that.

 

[wasnt_me]

Wow, that is an absurd stretch to equate someone in a longterm abusive relationship with a long series of murders to a person with no violent history outside of this "alleged" murder. That writer destroyed any credibility with that comparison. To compare the limited flimsy evidence for AK with videos and mountains of other evidence from the Bernado case just strains belief.

To be fair, you can go sign up and be an examiner journalist tomorrow, if you wanted to. Some of them are experienced in the fields they write in, but seriously, anyone can apply to write for them as long as you have a decent writing sample and they have open sections.

 

[wasnt_me]

Tried about 4 x. The site is clearly down. Apt symbolism for sure.

:floorlaugh:

At this point, I do hope nothing else goes wrong, but I just want to celebrate, even if it still does go wrong. You never know with Mig trying to steer the ship into the iceberg.

Is it too early to apply to get that "Guilty" word off our thread?