Meredith Kercher murdered-Amanda Knox appeals conviction #16

[SMK]

The Kerchers were NOT there for all the hearings. They were there for the start and the verdict

I as well hope that saner minds prevail but I am concerned due to the fact that people (internet posters) are sleuthing out the real people behind the names, are going after them at their homes, the families, place of work etc. That concerns me greatly as I have stated on a number of occasions. This is truly not about AK and RS anymore

I have long thought this about both sides, and it puzzles and troubles me.

ETA: Although the sleuthing seems to occur more on the pro-conviction side. It is as though something more were at stake than the defendants.

 

[Allusonz]

I am not so sure if the machines were just sitting idle during those 6 days. C&V seem to agree that that would rule out contamination. Maybe the machines were still being cleaned during these days? C&V argued the sample was too small but admitted that there is no standard on 'too small'. The material was used up in a single test, and out came of all people in the world... Meredith's full DNA profile created by Stefanoni out of garbage. This kind of defense is just not going to work IMO. Disagree to agree, or something

They have yet to prove that these machines were indeed inactive. Considering the antics they used with respect to the misnumbered controls they tried to admit into Court, as well as the fact that just about every DNA lab is months to a year behind, some further in their work, I find it difficult to believe that this machine was inactive for that time.

Again I will also point out that she did 2 quatitative tests at 2 separate times and we do not know which time these are the rusults she reported. Was it the time the machine was supposedly inactive? Or not?

My other question with respect to this was anything run prior to running these tests? If so it would not matter at that point whether it had been sitting for months.

The final point I have to make is that the control environment was set for a regular DNA laboratory not an LCN DNA laboratory which requires a different set of controls and those controls are extremely stringent

 

[Allusonz]

I have long thought this about both sides, and it puzzles and troubles me.

ETA: Although the sleuthing seems to occur more on the pro-conviction side. It is as though something more were at stake than the defendants.

I am very concerned SMK. It is very different to present different points of view on a forum but to actually egg homes, destroy mail boxes, phone employers, state you will hurt the individuals children is indeed concerning

 

[SMK]

I am very concerned SMK. It is very different to present different points of view on a forum but to actually egg homes, destroy mail boxes, phone employers, state you will hurt the individuals children is indeed concerning

Agreed. Very disturbing.

 

[Allusonz]

Hmmm, this is...interesting, now that I take another look at it...

From this:
http://forensicdnaconsulting.wordpr...perts’-report-in-the-amanda-knox-case-part-i/

(This section is regarding the original knife testing - sample A was from the handle, sample B is the infamous supposed MK sample)



So what does this mean? Basically, Steffanoni came up with negative results for the presence of DNA on sample B, with a non-standard test, and then somehow that no-DNA sample miraculously produces a profile after all sorts of nonsensical concentration procedures - and on top of that, she lies under questioning about the initial test, saying that it was of a type and result that there is zero record for, seemingly to cover up for the real test results that she of course doesn't mention in questioning. :liar:

Wow. Just...wow...wonder if this will be another source of forged documents produced by surprise (against all normal rules of evidence) by the prosecution. Or maybe the dog ate the records. anic:


ETA: Looks like sleight of hand trickery to me - hey wow, it really is a magic show! And here all this time I thought we were talking about science. :doh:

This particular sample B makes no sense and is one area where C & V have stopped short of stating tampering as no matter how you look at the results it simply cannot be. The other point is if you amplify the sample you must as well amplify the control samples which she has never stated she did.

It is my opinion she is doomed

 

[dgfred]

I had misgivings but doubted my own mind and senses. And I really studied it.

Bruce Fisher puts it all succinctly:

( he only leaves out that the pics of the impossible to scale wall/ impossible to enter window actually convince one of the opposite.)


http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=215085&page=28

Succinctly?

The question was to Nova, but... the postal police arrival question and the blood splatter questions that STILL remain, hardly make the presentation irrelevant or disprove all the other information provided.

Also I'm almost sure any pics available showing how easy it is to get inside the window, instead of just reaching the window have NOT been shown anywhere. Anyone believing that showing someone reaching up to a window shows how easy it is to actually enter the window has blinders on IMO.

Anyone care to try to explain the phone call information? Like why only a few rings for Meredith's phones, the order of the calls, or why AK did not try to call and see if Meredith's phones were in the locked room while/after she was taking her shower :innocent: ... if she was so worried?

 

[SMK]

Succinctly?

The question was to Nova, but... the postal police arrival question and the blood splatter questions that STILL remain, hardly make the presentation irrelevant or disprove all the other information provided. How so????

Also I'm almost sure any pics available showing how easy it is to get inside the window, instead of just reaching the window have NOT been shown anywhere. Anyone believing that showing someone reaching up to a window shows how easy it is to actually enter the window has blinders on IMO.

Anyone care to try to explain the phone call information? Like why only a few rings for Meredith's phones, the order of the calls, or why AK did not try to call and see if Meredith's phones were in the locked room while/after she was taking her shower :innocent: ... if she was so worried?

Why can I not also reply to a question addressed to nova, who will respond in his own time???:razz:

 

[dgfred]

Well there are a few more there for you to answer then.

 

[SMK]

Well there are a few more there for you to answer then.

??????? :waitasec: It is all losing its grip on me. Just want Hellman and jury to rule as they will, and be done with it. what do you mean by "the order of the calls"? why should she have entered a locked room where she believed MK might be sleeping?

 

[dgfred]

The window climb pics

The phone calls

 

[SMK]

The window climb pics

The phone calls

see questions added above. Window climb pics look iffy to me after Hendry.

what do you mean by "the order of the calls"? why should she have entered a locked room where she believed MK might be sleeping?

 

[dgfred]

??????? :waitasec: It is all losing its grip on me. Just want Hellman and jury to rule as they will, and be done with it. what do you mean by "the order of the calls"? why should she have entered a locked room where she believed MK might be sleeping?

Order of calls between Meredith's phones and Filomena's phone... and to mom.

Nobody said enter her room... call the phones while standing outside the room.

 

[dgfred]

see questions added above. Window climb pics look iffy to me after Hendry.

I don't understand what you mean.

My question was: How do pics showing someone reaching TO a window show how easy it IS/OR IS NOT to enter that window?

Why doesn't he continue?
Why are there not more pics showing him actually entering the window?
Doesn't that make you wonder?

 

[SMK]

I don't understand what you mean.

My question was: How do pics showing someone reaching TO a window show how easy it IS/OR IS NOT to enter that window?

Why doesn't he continue?
Why are there not more pics showing him actually entering the window?
Doesn't that make you wonder?

Yes, a bit. But ......well, if the scene was not staged, it is a moot point. If it was, that is different. I was convinced it was not.....you know, even with some suspicions re AK and RS, it seems there is reasonable doubt in a legal sense...

 

[SMK]

Order of calls between Meredith's phones and Filomena's phone... and to mom.

Nobody said enter her room... call the phones while standing outside the room.

To MK's Mom, seems she was interrupted by the killer, placing TOD earlier....the phone calls.......where did she call from, outside?

ETA: Why did she make the calls at all? She was obviously concerned that there may have been a break-in, and that MK's door was locked. in your mind, what was the real purpose of the calls? If she knew the phones were gone? also, why is the time of the call to the police made by RS now still in question, if the webcam refuted the timing of after?

 

[dgfred]

Yes, a bit. But ......well, if the scene was not staged, it is a moot point. If it was, that is different. I was convinced it was not.....you know, even with some suspicions re AK and RS, it seems there is reasonable doubt in a legal sense...

Well if there actually had been pics of the lawyer dude climbing up and through the window I could see where you would think there was no staging. Since there are not, and obviously it would have been extremely difficult for the lawyer dude to do so... IMO it should give you pause concerning the matter.

You still didn't answer:
Why didn't he try to climb up and into the window?

Why are there no pictures of him continuing on?

 

[SMK]

Well if there actually had been pics of the lawyer dude climbing up and through the window I could see where you would think there was no staging. Since there are not, and obviously it would have been extremely difficult for the lawyer dude to do so... IMO it should give you pause concerning the matter.

You still didn't answer:
Why didn't he try to climb up and into the window?

Why are there no pictures of him continuing on?

Yes, that maybe is a good question. Although he did get very close....

 

[dgfred]

To MK's Mom, seems she was interrupted by the killer, placing TOD earlier....the phone calls.......where did she call from, outside?

ETA: Why did she make the calls at all? She was obviously concerned that there may have been a break-in, and that MK's door was locked. in your mind, what was the real purpose of the calls? If she knew the phones were gone? also, why is the time of the call to the police made by RS now still in question, if the webcam refuted the timing of after?

So she calls Filomena to tell her of her worry. She calls Meredith's phones and they ring ONLY A FEW TIMES (why not leave messages? why not let them ring longer?)

My question was: Why not call Meredith's phones while AT THE COTTAGE to see if she and her phones are behind the locked door?

***An obvious reason would be because she already knew what was behind the door and that the phones were not there.

**The calls to Meredith's phones seem to only be to see if the phones had been located yet... not to actually check on Meredith. To check on the (Meredith behind the locked door theory) all she would have had to do was call while at the cottage and see if she could hear the phones ringing.

 

[otto]

Do you have a cite for that? I ask only because Skewed View is of the opposite opinion. I don't pretend to know.

But I do know you could have simply said you believed SV to be mistaken and saved us all several pages of posts.

There have been several accusations against the victim's lawyer suggesting that his actions and statements in court are financially motivated. I have asked for something to back that up.

Looking forward to a reply.

 

[SMK]

So she calls Filomena to tell her of her worry. She calls Meredith's phones and they ring ONLY A FEW TIMES (why not leave messages? why not let them ring longer?)

My question was: Why not call Meredith's phones while AT THE COTTAGE to see if she and her phones are behind the locked door?

***An obvious reason would be because she already knew what was behind the door and that the phones were not there.

**The calls to Meredith's phones seem to only be to see if the phones had been located yet... not to actually check on Meredith. To check on the (Meredith behind the locked door theory) all she would have had to do was call while at the cottage and see if she could hear the phones ringing.

What would Knox have said if the police answered the phone? why did she want to see if they had been located yet? I will admit if someone does not answer their cell on about the third ring, I hang up, knowing I will soon get voice mail. I see what you are thinking, but I am not fully convinced it is as suspicious as you would make it. Yes, I see what you mean about seeing if MK were truly behind the locked door. I assumed she either believed she was or had gone away, locking the door behind her.