Meredith Kercher murdered-Amanda Knox appeals conviction #16

[otto]

He would get paid work for all work he has done whether they remain guilty or not.

The Kerchers...who UNLIKE us sat through the whole trial have absolutely no doubt that the true monsters responsible for this horrific crime are the ones currently behind bars. For them to go through all this again must be like the event happening all over again...just more and more stabs in there heart

I just hope that if she is released...that no one else gets killed in the future and that it is linked to her..

Justice for Meredith.

Exactly. The suggestion that Maresca, the victim's lawyer, is an ambulance chaser is outrageous.

 

[SMK]

There have been several accusations against the victim's lawyer suggesting that his actions and statements in court are financially motivated. I have asked for something to back that up.

Looking forward to a reply.

Maybe because it is said that Francesco Maresca also represents five members of the Perugia police force, all civil plaintiffs in the libel case against Amanda Knox parents.

Maybe they think he is too motivated with the libel suits? Would he not be concerned with his cut of that?

I know I have read that he is aggressive and cut-throat? who knows???

Here is what one poster says:
Not saying I agree, just that this is the word which goes around on Francesco:

Francesco Maresca is a lawyer paid by the so-called "dignified" Kercher family. He earns his wealth by following around Knox and trying to protect a civil claim of upwards of 8,000,000 Euros (A ton of cash.)

"The lawyer for the Kercher family, Francesco Maresca, stated that the word of the independent experts would not be the last word, and said he would raise his objections when the report will be formally discussed in July."

He said that the scientific police and the consultants who carried out the original tests had far more experience than the independent experts appointed by the court. "I was surprised that these experts were so certain, and gave such strong, drastic opinions, given that they don't have the same number of years of experience under their belt," Mr. Maresca said.

Is this guy nuts or just desperate? We know he is greedy.

He did not object when the independent panel was called by Judge Hillman. He could have had his own expert at the DNA review. The Innocence Project, an Independent, International body of REAL DNA experts oversaw the work of Patrizia Stefannoi and Renato Biondi who are widely known for their sloppy, slipshod work that is well below professional standards.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/06/29/501364/main20075321.shtml

 

[otto]

The Kerchers were NOT there for all the hearings. They were there for the start and the verdict

I as well hope that saner minds prevail but I am concerned due to the fact that people (internet posters) are sleuthing out the real people behind the names, are going after them at their homes, the families, place of work etc. That concerns me greatly as I have stated on a number of occasions. This is truly not about AK and RS anymore

What in the world are you talking about here?

Is this more scare tactics? Who has been threatened because of commenting on this case?

 

[otto]

I am very concerned SMK. It is very different to present different points of view on a forum but to actually egg homes, destroy mail boxes, phone employers, state you will hurt the individuals children is indeed concerning

Whose children have been threatened and by whom? Since you have stated this several times, I'm assuming you have a link or something to support this claim?

 

[otto]

??????? :waitasec: It is all losing its grip on me. Just want Hellman and jury to rule as they will, and be done with it. what do you mean by "the order of the calls"? why should she have entered a locked room where she believed MK might be sleeping?

If Knox was in the cottage, concerned about Meredith, fearful that she was in the locked room, so fearful that she and Sollecito made 1/2 an effort to break down the door ... why didn't they try phoning her to see if she and the phones were in the room? Presumably the phones would be with her. They would have heard the phones ringing from where they were standing in the hallway. For someone that knew nothing, that would be the easiest way to figure out if she was in her room.

 

[dgfred]

Please don't hold your breath otto waiting for that cite. :banghead:

Yes, the phone calls/non-calls are very suspicious any way you look at it... without blinders that is.

 

[Nova]

Succinctly?

The question was to Nova, but... the postal police arrival question and the blood splatter questions that STILL remain, hardly make the presentation irrelevant or disprove all the other information provided.

Also I'm almost sure any pics available showing how easy it is to get inside the window, instead of just reaching the window have NOT been shown anywhere. Anyone believing that showing someone reaching up to a window shows how easy it is to actually enter the window has blinders on IMO.

Anyone care to try to explain the phone call information? Like why only a few rings for Meredith's phones, the order of the calls, or why AK did not try to call and see if Meredith's phones were in the locked room while/after she was taking her shower :innocent: ... if she was so worried?

Sure. Those weren't her first calls to MK. Her first call lasted 16 seconds, IIRC. Once you call someone and get no answer, you are more likely to make a hasty decision that no one is answering future calls.

It was probably careless on AK's fault, but not proof of consciousness of guilt. The short calls merely prove AK hung up without leaving additional messages.

ETA the answer to your other questions is probably just that AK didn't think to do so. Nobody said she is Sherlock Holmes.

BTW, SMK can answer for me any time.

 

[dgfred]

My question to you was not about the phone calls.

Instead it was about you claiming 'misinformation' in the TJMK presentation and asking what you were referring to.

BTW- seems y'all answere alot of times a question asked of somebody else while faking out the actual one that was asked to you in the first place.

 

[otto]

Maybe because it is said that Francesco Maresca also represents five members of the Perugia police force, all civil plaintiffs in the libel case against Amanda Knox parents.

Maybe they think he is too motivated with the libel suits? Would he not be concerned with his cut of that?

I know I have read that he is aggressive and cut-throat? who knows???

Here is what one poster says:
Not saying I agree, just that this is the word which goes around on Francesco:


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/06/29/501364/main20075321.shtml

"Francesco Maresca is a lawyer paid by the so-called "dignified" Kercher family. He earns his wealth by following around Knox and trying to protect a civil claim of upwards of 8,000,000 Euros (A ton of cash.)"

So-called "dignified" Kercher family?

Whoa ... what is that supposed to mean?

 

[Nova]

There have been several accusations against the victim's lawyer suggesting that his actions and statements in court are financially motivated. I have asked for something to back that up.

Looking forward to a reply.

Again, you misstate what the rest of us have posted. That doesn't require a reply.

AFTER you posted the above, SMK presented evidence that is critical of Maresca. At the time you posted, there were no "several accusations" on the table.

 

[SMK]

"Francesco Maresca is a lawyer paid by the so-called "dignified" Kercher family. He earns his wealth by following around Knox and trying to protect a civil claim of upwards of 8,000,000 Euros (A ton of cash.)"

So-called "dignified" Kercher family?

Whoa ... what is that supposed to mean?

Never said I agreed with all he says. :snooty:

I do really, really feel sorry for the Kerchers, but I suppose he is implying that the dandy and foppish Francesco has made this into a chase for lots of cash...we all know these attorneys who are all about their cut of a big lump of money, who can deny the low nature of such motivation?? ..he may be implying that millions will never bring Meredith back....I would agree, how would the money help???

 

[Nova]

I don't understand what you mean.

My question was: How do pics showing someone reaching TO a window show how easy it IS/OR IS NOT to enter that window?

Why doesn't he continue?
Why are there not more pics showing him actually entering the window?
Doesn't that make you wonder?

These are fair questions. However, it is not fair to conclude that entering the window was impossible.

 

[otto]

Please don't hold your breath otto waiting for that cite. :banghead:

Yes, the phone calls/non-calls are very suspicious any way you look at it... without blinders that is.

I don't expect any solid information to back up the claim that the victim's lawyer is an ambulance chaser. We all knew that the victim's lawyer was going to be trashed because we recently read about it starting on another site. We also know it's just a matter of time before Hellman is seriously trashed, since it has already begun because he is willing to hear arguments from the defense and prosecution regarding the report.

Right ... Knox made a 16 second phone call to Meredith's UK phone even though she knew that Meredith had a phone from Filomina that she used in Italy. Later, Knox made 3 and 4 second phone calls to Meredith's phones, which obviously would not give anyone time to answer the phone. When Filomina called Knox, the phone rang for something like 85 seconds twice without Knox answered the phone.

 

[Nova]

If Knox was in the cottage, concerned about Meredith, fearful that she was in the locked room, so fearful that she and Sollecito made 1/2 an effort to break down the door ... why didn't they try phoning her to see if she and the phones were in the room? Presumably the phones would be with her. They would have heard the phones ringing from where they were standing in the hallway. For someone that knew nothing, that would be the easiest way to figure out if she was in her room.

They didn't think of it. Jeeze! You've had years to consider what they might have done. They were functioning in the moment.

 

[otto]

Again, you misstate what the rest of us have posted. That doesn't require a reply.

I won't bother reposting all the comments suggesting that the victim's lawyer is more or less an ambulance chaser. However, without anything to back it up, it's pure fantasy and confused imaginings.

 

[Nova]

My question to you was not about the phone calls.

Instead it was about you claiming 'misinformation' in the TJMK presentation and asking what you were referring to.

BTW- seems y'all answere alot of times a question asked of somebody else while faking out the actual one that was asked to you in the first place.

Your question about the phone calls was addressed to "Anyone." The last time I checked, that would include me.

As for your question about errors in Kermit's (is that the right name?) PowerPoint presentation, I wasn't about to restate everything that's been discussed here over the past year. I'm sure you know the errors as well as I. If not, SMK mentioned just a couple from the first part of the presentation.

 

[Nova]

"Francesco Maresca is a lawyer paid by the so-called "dignified" Kercher family. He earns his wealth by following around Knox and trying to protect a civil claim of upwards of 8,000,000 Euros (A ton of cash.)"

So-called "dignified" Kercher family?

Whoa ... what is that supposed to mean?

I don't know. It isn't language I would have used and I don't blame you for questioning it. People should take better care when discussing the families of case principals.

Something one might consider when discussing the Knox and Mellas families.

 

[Nova]

I won't bother reposting all the comments suggesting that the victim's lawyer is more or less an ambulance chaser. However, without anything to back it up, it's pure fantasy and confused imaginings.

Actually, I reposted all of them last night. That isn't what they said.

ETA: I made a mistake in this post. Actually, YOU collected all the Maresca comments in one post last night.

 

[Nova]

I don't expect any solid information to back up the claim that the victim's lawyer is an ambulance chaser. We all knew that the victim's lawyer was going to be trashed because we recently read about it starting on another site. We also know it's just a matter of time before Hellman is seriously trashed, since it has already begun because he is willing to hear arguments from the defense and prosecution regarding the report.

Right ... Knox made a 16 second phone call to Meredith's UK phone even though she knew that Meredith had a phone from Filomina that she used in Italy. Later, Knox made 3 and 4 second phone calls to Meredith's phones, which obviously would not give anyone time to answer the phone. When Filomina called Knox, the phone rang for something like 85 seconds twice without Knox answered the phone.

Did it "ring" for 85 seconds or did it go to voicemail, where FR left a message? How do we know?

 

[otto]

I don't know. It isn't language I would have used and I don't blame you for questioning it. People should take better care when discussing the families of case principals.

Something one might consider when discussing the Knox and Mellas families.

Please elaborate.