Meredith Kercher murdered-Amanda Knox appeals conviction #17

[dgfred]

Interesting... I'd like to hear more about this. Do you know how soon before/after the murder he was called?

Of course, he could just be a friend. I know people who deal/have dealt but did not know them in that capacity.

I know nothing of the timing, just it was reported in Italian media who his lawyer was (not his name). It stated that he was part of a three-man operation of cocaine dealers that serviced students and locals in Perugia that were charged. It stated that his phone number came to the attention of investigators during the Meredith murder investigation because his number had been called by AK both before and after the murder. One of the three was supposidly taking the fast track trial, and the other two (including this fellow) were taking a full trial route.

This was highly interesting to me, opening up all sorts of possibilities and scenarios to think about. Maybe he was just a friend... but IMO it must be a good one for her to call him during the time period just after the murder :waitasec: . One might think she had alot more worries than calling a random guy just after the murder... so I think it may be important. He sure didn't testify on her behalf as a 'friend' in Italy.

I have asked <modsnip> in the past to try to find out the guys name and his relationship with AK... but immediately get the brick-wall treatment :banghead: . This is not relevant and doesn't want to be discussed by <modsnip>. This makes me even more interested.

 

[SMK]

fred, I wanna hear your new theory.......kay::websleuther:

 

[dgfred]

I know, but that is a lot of questions.
Since RG was facing eviction, could he have overheard where the rent was kept, and gone to get it?:waitasec:

Overheard from who?????? Are you saying that maybe RG was around AK or Meredith just before the murder??? That would be opening a new can of worms IMO. Like where and when?

 

[SMK]

Overheard from who?????? Are you saying that maybe RG was around AK or Meredith just before the murder??? That would be opening a new can of worms IMO. Like where and when?

Like when he said she laughed and smiled at him when she was in her vampire costume on Halloween.......

 

[dgfred]

fred, I wanna hear your new theory.......kay::websleuther:

Alot of it comes from Vivian's (sp- it might be Viviana) recent post on PMF (skeptical bystander) ... which you have probably read some of already. Some of the post afterwards are highly interesting too... check 'em out.

It concerns RG being more of a patsy being used by AK for the prank/money theft, instead of being about drugs or being blitzed out of their minds and attacking Meredith.

 

[dgfred]

Like when he said she laughed and smiled at him when she was in her vampire costume on Halloween.......

Why would she be talking about bundled rent money left in the cottage?

 

[SMK]

Alot of it comes from Vivian's (sp- it might be Viviana) recent post on PMF (skeptical bystander) ... which you have probably read some of already. Some of the post afterwards are highly interesting too... check 'em out.

It concerns RG being more of a patsy being used by AK for the prank/money theft, instead of being about drugs or being blitzed out of their minds and attacking Meredith.

Tell me it....am not going over to PMF:snooty:

 

[SMK]

Why would she be talking about bundled rent money left in the cottage?

Mayhap someone told her they would be leaving rent $$, and he overheard :snooty:

 

[Sonata]

I know nothing of the timing, just it was reported in Italian media who his lawyer was (not his name). It stated that he was part of a three-man operation of cocaine dealers that serviced students and locals in Perugia that were charged. It stated that his phone number came to the attention of investigators during the Meredith murder investigation because his number had been called by AK both before and after the murder. One of the three was supposidly taking the fast track trial, and the other two (including this fellow) were taking a full trial route.

This was highly interesting to me, opening up all sorts of possibilities and scenarios to think about. Maybe he was just a friend... but IMO it must be a good one for her to call him during the time period just after the murder :waitasec: . One might think she had alot more worries than calling a random guy just after the murder... so I think it may be important. He sure didn't testify on her behalf as a 'friend' in Italy.

I have asked supporters in the past to try to find out the guys name and his relationship with AK... but immediately get the brick-wall treatment :banghead: . This is not relevant and doesn't want to be discussed by AK supporters. This makes me even more interested.

Well I am interested - no brick wall treatment here!

You have a point about her wanting to call him at that time. Though obviously it is not proof as such. The things is, just because he deals cocaine, doesn't mean he ONLY deals cocaine. Perhaps he was her marijuana dealer? I could quite imagine her wanting a smoke after everything (whether guilty or innocent)

 

[SMK]

:dunno::dunno:cannot find it fred, tell me

 

[dgfred]

Well I am interested - no brick wall treatment here!

You have a point about her wanting to call him at that time. Though obviously it is not proof as such. The things is, just because he deals cocaine, doesn't mean he ONLY deals cocaine. Perhaps he was her marijuana dealer? I could quite imagine her wanting a smoke after everything (whether guilty or innocent)

OK. I will try to link some info for you... but I already posted almost everything mentioned, except for the lawyer's name.

I agree with your 'wanting a smoke' comment... :desert::chillout:anic::therethere::needdrink: I'm sure her nerves were shot to pieces.

 

[dgfred]

Here you go SMK... I think it is this page almost all the way down- Viviana's post and some after mention the patsy angle.


http://www.perugiamurderfile.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=402&start=1250

 

[SMK]

Fred?????????

 

[SMK]

Here you go SMK... I think it is this page almost all the way down- Viviana's post and some after mention the patsy angle.


http://www.perugiamurderfile.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=402&start=1250

OKIE, thanks:innocent:

 

[SMK]

She had been out with Raffaele from lunchtime, then shopping in the late afternoon and round to his smoking a lot of dope from late afternoon. I think she left shortly after 8pm to go back to the cottage to change out of her day clothes and into something for her job handing out fliers to entice people into a bar and probably also to get some stuff together for her trip to Gubbio the next day.

This is begun and goes on at length.

The reply:

I think that Guede walked into several traps. That doesn't exonerate him, but it would make him more of an accomplice rather than the main agent. Of course FoA wants to pile all the blame on him and he's an easy target for that. He wasn't a drifter or a full-time dealer, but he'd done his share of petty thefts and allegedly had boundary issues with girls. Even if Amanda didn't know specifics about him, I'm sure she was able to suss out the fact that he wasn't quite straight-laced. That's why I'm inclined to think she considered him an ideal tag-along - if things go badly, it helps to have a black immigrant along so you can blame him later. I apologize if it sounds awfully cynical, but she proved that's not far from her line of thinking.

I wasn't trying to suggest that the main reason why they killed Meredith was over money and I apologize if it came across that way. But I do think that the money was stolen, as Filomena never received it and the police could not locate it. The only people who could have stolen it are Amanda, Sollecito, and Guede. I guess Guede could have taken it, but I'm more inclined to think it was Amanda - not because she desperately needed it, but because she was the only one who had a reason to upset Meredith. But then there is the part where Amanda needed approval from people, so having Meredith think that she stole the money was probably not part of the plan. That's why I think she wanted to use Guede as a scapegoat for the money issue.

. . .............
My reasoning for thinking that is the deer-in-the-headlights reaction they all had the next day. Now I've never planned a crime, but you'd think they would have worked out some alibis and a consistent story. You'd think they would have left their cells at RS's place to simulate being there, and that RS would have had the presence of mind to run a mouse bot to emulate human interaction. Maybe they really are that stupid and their planning didn't go beyond "Raffy, let's play a trick on her," but it seems unlikely.

Obviously, I could be completely wrong about everything, but it seems to me that the plan to harass Meredith in some way reached a more concrete form in that half an hour Amanda was out on her own.

Interesting, but an awful lot is taken for granted here, considering Guede's profile...and the dubiousness of 3 involved....and the unnecessary nature of a prank...and why not just frame Guede from the get go? Tell on him?

Consider instead that this was primarily a sexual assault by multiple attackers that finished only with an incredibly vicious stabbing to the throat of the victim. Mignini could not have been far off in his conclusion that the crescendo of violence involved the domination of the victim by individuals with no sense of what their actions might entail.

Consider also that there is absolutely no evidence that Meredith knew what was coming. She did not phone her friends to tell them something was wrong at the cottage. Each one of her UK friends testified that Meredith was not isolated from them or her family back home. This suggests that the crescendo of violence was sudden and entirely unanticipated.As in lone wolf? :waitasec: smk

Whatever the reasons were, or whether there were drugs or alcohol involved, Meredith was taken by surprise and attacked before she could do anything. The sexual component, the suddenness of the attack, and the knife wounds to the throat points to some group dynamic far more sinister than a simple quarrel over a few hundred missing euros. Guede and Sollecito were involved precisely because they were men and because Knox knew she could enforce her own will upon Meredith only with the help of others. Fits in more with Guede alone, and drug fueled sexual attack

Knox has control issues and not necessarily money issues. She still had money in the bank and, frankly, her family has amply demonstrated that they will pay through the nose to get her free even after it's become apparent that nothing can possibly accomplish that. If money was the motivation then the attack would not have been nearly as personal and violent as it was. Reena Virk was killed for nothing more than an inability to fit in with a set of unspoken social rules among the young people in her community and at her school. Her death was extremely violent and, except for the sexual component, bore a great resemblance to Meredith's murder.

When reading these scenarios, which are well written, and well thought out, I STILL have to make that leap to the 3 on 1; it is a leap of faith:razz::razz: If I could truly believe all 3 were there, I might just consider this.....:waitasec:

 

[SMK]

The Reena Virk murder which is referred to, seems to have operated on a different dynamic. Virk was an outcast , a misfit, and was swarmed by a flock of students, many who were delinquent or had been in foster care:

On the evening of Friday November 14, 1997, Reena Virk was invited to a "party" by her friend near the Craigflower Bridge, west of the city of Victoria, British Columbia.
While at the bridge, it is claimed that teenagers drank alcohol and smoked marijuana. Virk was subsequently swarmed by a group later called the Shoreline Six. Witnesses said that one of the girls stubbed out a cigarette on Virk's forehead, and that while seven or eight others stood by and watched, Virk was repeatedly hit, punched and kicked. She was found to have several cigarette burns on her skin, and apparently attempts were made to set her hair on fire. This first beating ended when one of the girls told the others to stop.
Virk managed to walk away, but was followed by two members of the original group, Ellard and Glowatski. The pair dragged Virk to the other side of the bridge, made her remove her shoes and jacket, and beat her a second time. It is believed that Ellard forced Virk's head under the water and held it there with her foot until Virk stopped struggling.
Despite an alleged pact amongst the people involved not to "rat each other out," by the following Monday, rumors of the alleged murder spread throughout Shoreline Secondary School, where Virk was a student. Several uninvolved students and teachers heard the rumors, but no one came forward to report it to the police. The rumors were confirmed eight days later, on November 22, 1997, when police using a helicopter found Virk's partially clothed body washed ashore at the Gorge Inlet, a major waterway on Vancouver Island. Media sources indicated that Cst Chris Horsley of the Saanich Police was the officer who located Virk's body.
The coroner ruled the death was by drowning. However, an autopsy later revealed that Virk had sustained significant injury, and that the head injuries were severe enough to have killed her if she had not been drowned. Virk was 14 years old.

Murder of Reena Virk - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[dgfred]

Here Sonata, This is the page to the link about the cocaine dealer on AK's phone. Look almost all the way down, posted by Catnip originally.

http://www.perugiamurderfile.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=310&hilit=cocaine+dealer&start=2250

 

[SMK]

fre---eeee---eeddd?

 

[dgfred]

I didn't want y'all to think I was making up stuff. Highly interesting is it not?
Calling a cocaine dealer before and after Meredith's murder... and cause him to later get into biiigggg trouble.

 

[dgfred]

fre---eeee---eeddd?

Could you ask BF for more information regarding this :innocent: ? If it was only a friend there shouldn't be a problem with giving his name.