Meredith Kercher murdered-Amanda Knox appeals conviction #18

[Sonata]

Well, blame the papers. That's how tabloids work I'm afraid. The saving grace is that we all know what tabloids are and what to expect from them.

Fortunately, none of the stupid people in high places we need to be concerned about (regarding what the Daily Mail writes) are in the Italian judiciary and in regard to the accused, those are the people that really count...not Daily Mail readers. For the Daily Mail readers, if they are really interested as a result, they will research the case further. And actually, I doubt more then a very few Mail readers that actually saw it even remember it all these tears on. The exceptions are people like you and me, solely for the reason that we have taken an interest in the case.

At what point did I say I did not blame the papers?

I think you're confusing me and another poster perhaps.

 

[Fulcanelli]

Who reported that? First I heard of it.

Any reason why they would include RG in this having barely spoken to him and how exactly that would escalate to them murdering MK rather than MK injuring them? Seems like that would work the other way round.

A Seattle lad who worked with Knox's housemate.

Because three people taking part in such a prank is better than two...the more the better...and Knox knew Rudy, even if not especially well.

How did it turn to murder? Perhaps Meredith didn't take the prank very well and there was a fight. Mob mentality takes over from there and what you get is a perfect storm of dysfunctional complicity. This led to a point where they'd simply gone too far and things couldn't be undone, so Meredith couldn't be allowed to report the matter to the police or whoever, then Meredith screamed VERY loudly...and that settled it.

 

[Fulcanelli]

I read your site several times a week and the quotes I gave were on your site and provided by you. Do you think Maresca lied?

No, Maresca's being brief.

Why are you ignoring all the other articles that report the finding of the DNA on the blade and that it wasn't tested? Why are you ignoring the testimony of Novelli where he directly refers to it? Why are you ignoring the testimony of Meredith's expert who was present when they tested the knife and found the DNA and she asked them why they weren't extracting a profile from it, even though they had the equipment to do so? Why are you focusing only on that which is convenient to you rather then the actual relevant testimony that directly discusses it?

 

[Fulcanelli]

LOL. It was not "reported" at all. It was a lowly comment on a blog post shortly after the murder. You can see it here:

http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/end_of_an_affair#c859964

No, it was reported, it was reported by my site. My co-Administrator (who lives in Seattle) contacted the individual concerned to verify the story.

 

[RoseMontague]

A Seattle lad who worked with Knox's housemate.

Because three people taking part in such a prank is better than two...the more the better...and Knox knew Rudy, even if not especially well.

How did it turn to murder? Perhaps Meredith didn't take the prank very well and there was a fight. Mob mentality takes over from there and what you get is a perfect storm of dysfunctional complicity. This led to a point where they'd simply gone too far and things couldn't be undone, so Meredith couldn't be allowed to report the matter to the police or whoever, then Meredith screamed VERY loudly...and that settled it.

You believe this based on a comment on a blog post?

And you believe all that pink stuff is reacting to blood?

I guess us CT'ers are just a tad bit skeptical.

 

[Fulcanelli]

Read my post above.

 

[RoseMontague]

No, it was reported, it was reported by my site. My co-Administrator (who lives in Seattle) contacted the individual concerned to verify the story.

And the individual did not want his name revealed of course. So since this was "reporting", I assume SB had confirmation from a second source?

 

[RoseMontague]

Read my post above.

Not only have I read it, I have it bookmarked.

 

[Fulcanelli]

And the individual did not want his name revealed of course. So since this was "reporting", I assume SB had confirmation from a second source?

No, although she found him very credible (he did explain himself). Which is why it's a case of one has to take it or leave it.

I give it credence, because it would explain a great deal about what took place that night, how and why. I also find it credible, as I can't see a reason why he'd have made it up...or made up that specific story, rather one that is a little less whacky...like, claiming Knox attacked someone he knew and beat her up. And since he's anonymous and not very chatty about it, we can be sure it wasn't for attention or some agenda.

 

[RoseMontague]

No, although she found him very credible (he did explain himself). Which is why it's a case of one has to take it or leave it.

I give it credence, because it would explain a great deal about what took place that night, how and why. I also find it credible, as I can't see a reason why he'd have made it up...or made up that specific story, rather one that is a little less whacky...like, claiming Knox attacked someone he knew and beat her up. And since he's anonymous and not very chatty about it, we can be sure it wasn't for attention or some agenda.

Actually, I took some time over a year ago and looked at other posts he had made both before and after and he is quite "chatty" about a lot of things, from what I recall, seems to incredibly have some inside scoop on a few other things as well.

 

[Fulcanelli]

Actually, I took some time over a year ago and looked at other posts he had made both before and after and he is quite "chatty" about a lot of things, from what I recall, seems to incredibly have some inside scoop on a few other things as well.

But not chatty about this.

I know you don't 'want' to believe him. Even though, it would give you the explanation you've been demanding (elsewhere) for why three young people who didn't know each other very well would wind up at the cottage and suddenly engage in taking part in an attack on Meredith. If we refuse that as an explanation, then we can pretend there is no explanation and declare such.

 

[RoseMontague]

But not chatty about this.

I know you don't 'want' to believe him. Even though, it would give you the explanation you've been demanding (elsewhere) for why three young people who didn't know each other very well would wind up at the cottage and suddenly engage in taking part in an attack on Meredith. If we refuse that as an explanation, then we can pretend there is no explanation and declare such.

It is your "reporting" and it is both unverified and a direct accusation against Ms. Knox. It is still coming up, as it did today.

 

[Fulcanelli]

And you believe all that pink stuff is reacting to blood?

Yes. Why not? If bloody hands were washed in the sink, then blood was bound to be all over it before it was (mostly) rinsed off.

 

[Fulcanelli]

It is your "reporting" and it is both unverified and a direct accusation against Ms. Knox. It is still coming up, as it did today.

I think you're dodging it. Whatever your doubts, it is wrong to simply dismiss it out of hand as you're doing. Especially when it meets the requirements of an 'explanation' that you've been demanding. It seems you not only want an explanation, you want an explanation that is proven and set in stone. You are often not going to get one of those in a case like this.

A bit like this case really:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/sep/12/gemma-hayter-murder-three-jailed-life

No real explanation of why a group of 'friends' would suddenly do such a thing to their 'friend'.

 

[RoseMontague]

Yes. Why not? If bloody hands were washed in the sink, then blood was bound to be all over it before it was (mostly) rinsed off.

Have you looked at all the other places the pink stuff is showing? It is not just on top of the sink.

 

[emyr]

I would respond to that, but I don't recognise CBS as a valid source in regard to this case (for very good reason). Where I you, I'd take anything they print pertaining to anything to to do with this case with a very large pinch of salt.

So you believe that Amanda and Raffaelle were hanging out at the basketball court from 9:30 to 11:30. You believe that at 11:30 they went over to the cottage, met Rudy, killed Meredith so she screamed so Nara could hear her at 11:30. Rudy fled, they took Meredith's phones and walked and threw them in the garden so they could be found there at midnight?

Do you think they were there plotting about going home to kill Meredith? You think Rudy had arrived at the cottage before they arrived home, or they met him in the Plaza? And you think that Meredith, who went home to get to bed early because she had a long day ahead of her, stayed up until 11:30pm? Had not started getting ready for bed at all by 11:30?

 

[Fulcanelli]

Have you looked at all the other places the pink stuff is showing? It is not just on top of the sink.

Yes, it was a bloody crime. And at least two people who had blood on them used that bathroom afterwards. I also suspect, the bathroom was used as a base for the partial clean-up.

 

[Fulcanelli]

So you believe that Amanda and Raffaelle were hanging out at the basketball court from 9:30 to 11:30. You believe that at 11:30 they went over to the cottage, met Rudy, killed Meredith so she screamed so Nara could hear her at 11:30. Rudy fled, they took Meredith's phones and walked and threw them in the garden so they could be found there at midnight?

Do you think they were there plotting about going home to kill Meredith? You think Rudy had arrived at the cottage before they arrived home, or they met him in the Plaza? And you think that Meredith, who went home to get to bed early because she had a long day ahead of her, stayed up until 11:30pm? Had not started getting ready for bed at all by 11:30?

Perhaps you missed my post. The court put them there from 9:29 to 11:00. That's only about an hour and a half. And that said, I see no reason why they could not have left the court to go to the cottage (that was a 20 second walk away) for a period and return during that period (Curatolo never claimed that he was observing them the whole time, only that he was reading his magazine and they were there on the couple of occasions he looked up from it - the times he did so are those on record).

As for Rudy, they probably saw him walking down the road past the cottage or cutting through the basketball court.

Meredith needed to study as she believed she had a test the next day. I think she planned on doing some studying before going to bed.

And no, I don't believe they were plotting to go and kill Meredith...although it's possible. I believe they were intending to do something else.

 

[Allusonz]

Because the purpose of the pink stuff is to highlight blood.

I believe that you may be misinformed with respect to the pink. That simply means that the chemical was left on for too long. Nice try though

 

[Allusonz]

All systems have a form of precautionary detention.

True they do. How many for one year before charges must be brought forth?