Meredith Kercher murdered-Amanda Knox appeals conviction #18

[Allusonz]

See? You made my point exactly! WE are the types who "research" and therefore might know that, like duh, but most ordinary people do not "research" these cases and therefore are misled.

Yes we do. I believe this to be a fundamental aspect that is being missed here.

 

[Fulcanelli]

I believe that you may be misinformed with respect to the pink. That simply means that the chemical was left on for too long. Nice try though

In which case the crime scene photographer wouldn't have been photographing it as there would have been no need to. One doesn't photograph a redundant test.

 

[Allusonz]

You should know, that the 'possible' maximum penalties that exist on the statute books are not what people actually get. The reality is that for defamation in Italy, people get the same as what they get in the US and UK...having to pay compensation and costs. NOBODY will be imprisoned for defamation. If someone were ever to get a prison sentence in In Italy, it would be as an extreme for multiple repeat defamation offences (as in, they'd been in front of the courts many times before) and even then, they would do no jail time because the sentence would be below the minimum limit and so it would be suspended. The minimum limit (going from memory here) is three years. That means only those sentenced to above three years go to jail.

I wonder if Spezi would agree with this? I would seriously doubt he would...

 

[Allusonz]

In which case the crime scene photographer wouldn't have been photographing it as there would have been no need to. One doesn't photograph a redundant test.

The fact remains that it is a picture that should never of been released by PLE. No one can dance around this leak or the many others.

ETA Although I have seen alot of dancing of late :giggle:

 

[Allusonz]

Have you looked at all the other places the pink stuff is showing? It is not just on top of the sink.

Amazing truly. You bring up a good point as I cant seem to find much white in that very pink bathroom. In fact it looks bloodier than the murder room

 

[Fulcanelli]

True they do. How many for one year before charges must be brought forth?

They were effectively charged in their first hearing on the 9 Dec 2007 when their arrests were formalised. This then was upheld by subsequent courts, including the High Court, during that first year. Understand, we are talking about a different system here.

 

[Fulcanelli]

Amazing truly. You bring up a good point as I cant seem to find much white in that very pink bathroom. In fact it looks bloodier than the murder room

That's what happens when you mix blood with water.

 

[Allusonz]

Yes, it was a bloody crime. And at least two people who had blood on them used that bathroom afterwards. I also suspect, the bathroom was used as a base for the partial clean-up.

Odd. AK's DNA would of been in that washroom even prior to the murder. Have to scratch my head over this statement

 

[Fulcanelli]

Odd. AK's DNA would of been in that washroom even prior to the murder. Have to scratch my head over this statement

But not actually within the streaks of blood that were tested. Neither would it have been in the blood that was found in Filomena's room. That blood had either been mixed with Knox's blood, or had been in contact with her skin and removed epithelials and mixed it together. This was all dealt with in the trial.

 

[emyr]

Perhaps you missed my post. The court put them there from 9:29 to 11:00. That's only about an hour and a half. And that said, I see no reason why they could not have left the court to go to the cottage (that was a 20 second walk away) for a period and return during that period (Curatolo never claimed that he was observing them the whole time, only that he was reading his magazine and they were there on the couple of occasions he looked up from it - the times he did so are those on record).

As for Rudy, they probably saw him walking down the road past the cottage or cutting through the basketball court.

Meredith needed to study as she believed she had a test the next day. I think she planned on doing some studying before going to bed.

And no, I don't believe they were plotting to go and kill Meredith...although it's possible. I believe they were intending to do something else.

I'm still uncertain which murder scenario the evidence you find compelling portrays. So Amanda and Raffaelle went to the Piazza, went and murdered Meredith and came back to the Piazza and then they went back at 11:30 when she screamed? Or, they went to the Piazza, met Rudy, took him to the cottage, chatted, went back to the Piazza leaving Rudy there, and then went back to the house and murdered her at 11:30?

I personally find any scenario where they are hanging out in the Piazza (murderers or not) highly unbelievable. I think Curatolo is just plain wrong.

 

[Ratunta]

But not actually within the streaks of blood that were tested. Neither would it have been in the blood that was found in Filomena's room.

Yeah...there was no blood found in Filomena's room...schoolboy error there.

Been studying the case long, have we?

 

[trillian]

This link is from IIP, so I know that it will be instantly discounted by some, but it should be read because it is a very well written look into how easily innocents become victims of the system because they are innocent, the perils of LE's assumptions that anyone they suspect is in fact guilty, and how lying by LE during questioning actually makes it more likely that they will force a false confession from a purely innocent person.

http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/Kassin.AP_innocense_at_risk.05_read.pdf

Amazing how manipulated people can be, especially when they are innocent! Thanks for the link.

IMO, the Perugia police already admitted to feeding Amanda the information about Patrick. They said something like "at first she lied, then she told us facts we knew to be true". The problem is that EVERYTHING they "knew to be true" was, in fact, NOT true- except that Meredith was murdered. Once she collected her thoughts, she retracted it, but it was too late.... the police had already boasted to the press and there was no way to turn back.

 

[trillian]

Yeah...there was no blood found in Filomena's room...schoolboy error there.

Been studying the case long, have we?

Perhaps he meant "bloody footprint" which tested negative for blood? But that fact, even when repeated over and over, never seems to get through.

The only bloody footprint is on the bathmat. The other ones are shoeprints.

 

[Kaly99]

That's what happens when you mix blood with water.

It causes a violent explosive reaction which coats all surrounding surfaces?

That's sure what it looks like from that very bloody bathroom picture!

 

[Allusonz]

Yeah...there was no blood found in Filomena's room...schoolboy error there.

Been studying the case long, have we?

:welcome:

hands you a designer straight jacket

I had thought they had but to my everlasting surprised alas they have not (so it appears)

 

[Fulcanelli]

An article from a typical Amanda Knox supporter:

AMANDA KNOX: “PRISONER OF WAR!”
by DENVER September 13, 2011

http://www.groundreport.com/World/AMANDA-KNOX-PRISONER-OF-WAR/2941313

Enjoy

 

[Fulcanelli]

I'm still uncertain which murder scenario the evidence you find compelling portrays. So Amanda and Raffaelle went to the Piazza, went and murdered Meredith and came back to the Piazza and then they went back at 11:30 when she screamed? Or, they went to the Piazza, met Rudy, took him to the cottage, chatted, went back to the Piazza leaving Rudy there, and then went back to the house and murdered her at 11:30?

I personally find any scenario where they are hanging out in the Piazza (murderers or not) highly unbelievable. I think Curatolo is just plain wrong.

I tend to go with Massei's times, rather then Micheli's.

Why is their hanging out at the Piazza unbelievable? It's the perfect pace to sit and observe the (gate to) cottage without being seen by someone approaching it.

 

[emyr]

It causes a violent explosive reaction which coats all surrounding surfaces?

That's sure what it looks like from that very bloody bathroom picture!

Clearly what happened is Amanda and Raffaelle went to the plaza and hung out for an hour and a half while tour buses and city buses picked up people dressed in costume, people intent on doing exciting things on a holiday night when all the shops were closed (and city buses were suspended). They then went to the cottage, and circumstantially met Rudy on the way. They abruptly killed Meredith, causing Rudy to flee.

Then, while one of them left to throw the cell phones in the garden, the other one frantically tried to clean out the bathroom, hooking up some sort of spray hose to cover the entirety of the bathroom in a fine mist of blood.

Anyone who sees it otherwise isn't looking at the facts.

 

[Fulcanelli]

Yeah...there was no blood found in Filomena's room...schoolboy error there.

Been studying the case long, have we?

Meredith's blood containing Knox's DNA was found In Filomena's room. It was heard in the trial and is in the Massei Report.

 

[Ratunta]

I tend to go with Massei's times, rather then Micheli's.

Why is their hanging out at the Piazza unbelievable? It's the perfect pace to sit and observe the (gate to) cottage without being seen by someone approaching it.

Watching the gate to what end exactly?