Mexico Mexico - David Hartley, 30, Lake Falcon, 30 Sept 2010 #2

[ozonetourist]

Please be mindful here there is no body, witness to a murder, witness to seeing anything Tiffany claims. In addition, this will be a missing persons investigation for the United states. There is no proof or evidence that a crime took place in Mexico. Therefore Tiffany will be investigated by the FBI and finally there could be some closure to this. Be mindful that if you notice the "911" call; She immediately tries to tell the dispatcher "Yes, but it happened in Mexico" . This is suspect because she is attempting to manipulate the authority's that the USA side can't do anything to intervene.Somebody did their homework about Border crimes and jurisdiction. Furthermore she never once in the "911" call asks for help. She never states, "please go find my husband" . As I said earlier, she is digging herself deeper and deeper.

 

[Linda7NJ]

They fled, were pursued, she looked back, and saw David fly over the top of his jet ski, she turned around and went to him, and most likely the boats were advancing on them. They came up to them, and saw her, and weren't sure what they were going to do. Went to another boat and she jumped on her ski and fled. She said she even passed them and gained speed. I think she was divinely protected. She seems to believe so too.

Divine intervention? :waitasec: I don't think so.

If they were chasing her & David, shooting at them, kill David, and continue chasing to only catch up and have a brain fart? Miss the perfect opportunity? Only to come to their senses and again start chasing and firing? I just don't buy it

 

[alwaysonmymind]

MISTAKEN IDENTITY

STRATFOR, an Austin-based think tank that focuses on the drug war and other global security issues, reported Wednesday that the Sept. 30 incident may have been a case of mistaken identity by the Zetas drug trafficking organization

It noted that the truck the couple used to haul their personal watercraft to the reservoir had Tamaulipas state plates — a fact confirmed by Zapata County Sheriff Sigifredo Gonzalez — and that the Old Guerrero area is a known battleground in the ongoing struggle between the Zetas and the rival Gulf Cartel.

Zeta scouts identified the Hartleys’ truck as the couple was en route to the reservoir and watched them set out personal watercraft toward the Old Guerrero area, STRATFOR reported on its website, citing unnamed sources.

"Both Gulf Cartel and Los Zetas operatives have been known to conduct surveillance and counter surveillance operations on personal watercraft, so these scouts thus identified the Hartleys as possible Gulf surveillance assets, given their vehicle’s license plate and their method and direction of travel on Falcon Lake," the think tank said. "Their description and position was radioed to Los Zetas members on the Mexican side of the lake, after which the couple was apparently confronted by Zetas enforcers."

STRATFOR said its sources reported that higher-ranking Zeta members had not green-lighted the attack and that a "damage control campaign" spearheaded by Zeta leader Miguel "Z-40" Treviño Morales is now underway to identify and eliminate those who carried out the attack.

http://www.themonitor.com/articles/mistaken-43578-report-rival.html

So this explains why they didn't shoot her. They realized they had been given bad information from the scouts. They let her go.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

MISTAKEN IDENTITY

STRATFOR, an Austin-based think tank that focuses on the drug war and other global security issues, reported Wednesday that the Sept. 30 incident may have been a case of mistaken identity by the Zetas drug trafficking organization

It noted that the truck the couple used to haul their personal watercraft to the reservoir had Tamaulipas state plates — a fact confirmed by Zapata County Sheriff Sigifredo Gonzalez — and that the Old Guerrero area is a known battleground in the ongoing struggle between the Zetas and the rival Gulf Cartel.

Zeta scouts identified the Hartleys’ truck as the couple was en route to the reservoir and watched them set out personal watercraft toward the Old Guerrero area, STRATFOR reported on its website, citing unnamed sources.

"Both Gulf Cartel and Los Zetas operatives have been known to conduct surveillance and counter surveillance operations on personal watercraft, so these scouts thus identified the Hartleys as possible Gulf surveillance assets, given their vehicle’s license plate and their method and direction of travel on Falcon Lake," the think tank said. "Their description and position was radioed to Los Zetas members on the Mexican side of the lake, after which the couple was apparently confronted by Zetas enforcers."

STRATFOR said its sources reported that higher-ranking Zeta members had not green-lighted the attack and that a "damage control campaign" spearheaded by Zeta leader Miguel "Z-40" Treviño Morales is now underway to identify and eliminate those who carried out the attack.

http://www.themonitor.com/articles/mistaken-43578-report-rival.html

So this explains why they didn't shoot her. They realized they had been given bad information from the scouts. They let her go.

BBM

When? Right in the middle of the attack?

 

[alsmom]

MISTAKEN IDENTITY

STRATFOR, an Austin-based think tank that focuses on the drug war and other global security issues, reported Wednesday that the Sept. 30 incident may have been a case of mistaken identity by the Zetas drug trafficking organization

It noted that the truck the couple used to haul their personal watercraft to the reservoir had Tamaulipas state plates — a fact confirmed by Zapata County Sheriff Sigifredo Gonzalez — and that the Old Guerrero area is a known battleground in the ongoing struggle between the Zetas and the rival Gulf Cartel.

Zeta scouts identified the Hartleys’ truck as the couple was en route to the reservoir and watched them set out personal watercraft toward the Old Guerrero area, STRATFOR reported on its website, citing unnamed sources.

"Both Gulf Cartel and Los Zetas operatives have been known to conduct surveillance and counter surveillance operations on personal watercraft, so these scouts thus identified the Hartleys as possible Gulf surveillance assets, given their vehicle’s license plate and their method and direction of travel on Falcon Lake," the think tank said. "Their description and position was radioed to Los Zetas members on the Mexican side of the lake, after which the couple was apparently confronted by Zetas enforcers."

STRATFOR said its sources reported that higher-ranking Zeta members had not green-lighted the attack and that a "damage control campaign" spearheaded by Zeta leader Miguel "Z-40" Treviño Morales is now underway to identify and eliminate those who carried out the attack.

http://www.themonitor.com/articles/mistaken-43578-report-rival.html

So this explains why they didn't shoot her. They realized they had been given bad information from the scouts. They let her go.

According to her they were trying to shoot her after they had let her go. So no, they didn't truly let her go, according to her story. Also didn't the witness see them chasing her up to shore? Supposedly?

 

[BaileyandBella]

Therefore Tiffany will be investigated by the FBI

WHEN?????

I think they need to take a look at their computers and cell phone records.

 

[BaileyandBella]

According to her they were trying to shoot her after they had let her go. So no, they didn't let her go, according to her story. Also didn't the witness see them chasing her up to shore? Supposedly?

TRYING to shoot her? :waitasec:

She said a gun was held to her head.

 

[alsmom]

TRYING to shoot her? :waitasec:

She said a gun was held to her head.

She said she was looking at the barrel of a gun and then God told her to leave. I though she later said they were shooting at her as she took off. She's been on too many shows and told too many stories.

 

[alwaysonmymind]

BBM

When? Right in the middle of the attack?

Possibly when they got close enough to see they were Americans.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

MISTAKEN IDENTITY

STRATFOR, an Austin-based think tank that focuses on the drug war and other global security issues, reported Wednesday that the Sept. 30 incident may have been a case of mistaken identity by the Zetas drug trafficking organization

It noted that the truck the couple used to haul their personal watercraft to the reservoir had Tamaulipas state plates — a fact confirmed by Zapata County Sheriff Sigifredo Gonzalez — and that the Old Guerrero area is a known battleground in the ongoing struggle between the Zetas and the rival Gulf Cartel.

Zeta scouts identified the Hartleys’ truck as the couple was en route to the reservoir and watched them set out personal watercraft toward the Old Guerrero area, STRATFOR reported on its website, citing unnamed sources.

"Both Gulf Cartel and Los Zetas operatives have been known to conduct surveillance and counter surveillance operations on personal watercraft, so these scouts thus identified the Hartleys as possible Gulf surveillance assets, given their vehicle’s license plate and their method and direction of travel on Falcon Lake," the think tank said. "Their description and position was radioed to Los Zetas members on the Mexican side of the lake, after which the couple was apparently confronted by Zetas enforcers."

STRATFOR said its sources reported that higher-ranking Zeta members had not green-lighted the attack and that a "damage control campaign" spearheaded by Zeta leader Miguel "Z-40" Treviño Morales is now underway to identify and eliminate those who carried out the attack.

http://www.themonitor.com/articles/mistaken-43578-report-rival.html

So this explains why they didn't shoot her. They realized they had been given bad information from the scouts. They let her go.

I hope her name is one day cleared. I can't imagine what she is going through.
To see your husband shot in the head, to not be able to save him, to not have his body to bury, and to be doubted and your name dragged through the mud???
Prayers to Mrs. Hartley
Rest in Peace D. Hartley

 

[IWannaKnow]

A Brownsville TX student shot and killed by Zetas the same day as the Hartley event.



http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/10/07/texas-college-student-shot-killed-mexico/

Texas College Student Shot and Killed in Mexico

Jonathon William Torres, an 18-year-old college freshman at the University of Texas at Brownsville, was killed Sept. 30 in Matamoros -- just outside Ciudad Mante in the southern part of Tamaulipas, about 350 miles from Houston -- a university spokeswoman told the newspaper.

http://www.brownsvilleherald.com/news/bus-117786-perez-tampico.html

Bus hijackings in Tamaulipas becoming more common

The death last week of a Brownsville college student who was shot while traveling by bus in southern Tamaulipas is not an isolated case, say recent travelers to Mexico.

The hijacking of buses has become more common as the violence has increased, they say.

Jonathon William Torres Casares, 18, died last week while returning from Ciudad Mante where he visited relatives, said officials at the University of Texas at Brownsville and Texas Southmost College.

 

[BaileyandBella]

told too many stories.

Yep...on the very first news story I saw, she said a gun was held to her head.

 

[IWannaKnow]

I hope her name is one day cleared. I can't imagine what she is going through.
To see your husband shot in the head, to not be able to save him, to not have his body to bury, and to be doubted and your name dragged through the mud???
Prayers to Mrs. Hartley
Rest in Peace D. Hartley

Me too Kimberlyd, me too. raying:

RIP David Hartley :rose:

 

[laytonian]

According to her they were trying to shoot her after they had let her go. So no, they didn't truly let her go, according to her story. Also didn't the witness see them chasing her up to shore? Supposedly?

The witness saw one boat follow her in, then turn away from the shore. No one heard or saw any shooting.

 

[laytonian]

MISTAKEN IDENTITY

Can I ask a big favor? :angel:

Maybe it's just my eyes, but unbolded colors on WS's pale-gray background, is very hard to read. When nearly the entire post is in red, it kinda defeats the purpose of highlighting the important parts.

Please don't think I'm singling you out. It's just something I've noticed on WS, and I understand why people do it. I've done it myself.

 

[alsmom]

I didn't say the witness saw or heard shooting. I said that the boat chased her in. If they were mistaken and letting her go, I don't know why they would have chased her in. That's all.

 

[laytonian]

I see nothing clairvoyant about her account in this statement.

The "clairvoyant" part is this: "I saw two people in that boat. But there was a third or a fourth person in that boat. I just didn't see them."

She's saying she saw two people in the boat, but there was one or two more that she didn't see.

So how did she know there were more than two people in the boat?
I think "clairvoyant" is a good description.

 

[laytonian]

I didn't say the witness saw or heard shooting.
I said that the boat chased her in. If they were mistaken and letting her go, I don't know why they would have chased her in. That's all.

Bingo.

Tiffany says the men in the boat followed her in, shooting at her.
But the witness who saw the boat, saw or heard nothing like that.

When a boat is on a lake, it's in a confined area. It's going to have to turn away from shore, at some point.

The fact that a boat did that, behind Tiffany, doesn't mean that the boat was chasing her. Especially since there was no shooting.

If they were no longer shooting, why did they follow her in?

We don't even know how busy the lake was that day, or how many boats were on the water, do we?

 

[laytonian]

And in that call was he told what area of Michigan they needed for him to work in? I know all too well how it works...you may not know an EXACT town/city you will want (have) to live in...all depends on the area that the locations are going to be drilled...

Right.
My husband isn't in oil, but he gets "pick up and go HERE" calls all the time.

He always has a destination. You can't make airline and hotel reservations just for "Wisconsin".

The Hartleys were MOVING. That means their possessions would be loaded up and transported.
"Here's our stuff. Take it to Colorado."
"Where in Colorado?"
"Don't know."

All she needed to say, was the nearest city/town. Certainly she knew that.

Not to be rude, but: maybe the reason she's so hard to believe, is that she's not very intelligent?

 

[laytonian]

I for one do not doubt your story at all....I believe it. I have lived in a Texas border town....YEARS ago and there were risks then...people will tell you in that area what to expect. But here is where we are going to differ....you went there for a job...not sight seeing. A pleasure trip....just not the same IMO....PAY IS GREAT for those jobs...But a PICTURE???? Seriously....give me a break.

Especially since they'd lived in Reynosa, MX for three years, before moving to McAllen?