Mexico Mexico - David Hartley, 30, Lake Falcon, 30 Sept 2010 #2

[Linda7NJ]

But if she wasn't on tv, those who have made their minds up that she's guilty, would say she has stopped doing interviews so she must be guilty.

No matter what this woman does, it's gonna be torn apart by those who feel she's guilty.

Reminds me of how Somer's mother was picked apart after Somer was murdered. So many insisted she was guilty and would comment on everything she said or did.

IMO TH is darned if she does and darned if she doesn't.

JMO

I don't profess she is guilty of murder.

I do believe she is being LESS than truthful. I've seen and heard her make contradictory statement after statement.

 

[LaLaw2000]

I am just checking to see if there is any news on the recovery of David's body and to say that I still believe her.

GB them all.

 

[NoeticSoul]

I don't profess she is guilty of murder.

I do believe she is being LESS than truthful. I've seen and heard her make contradictory statement after statement.

She has been consistently less than truthful, but I don't believe that she killed him either.

I think David was involved up to his eyeballs in the Pemex thefts and is in hiding, with Tiffy's help, to avoid prosecution. If a US corporation sends employees overseas (especially in a dangerous country like Russia or Mexico) such as Pemex had sent David, there would be a life insurance provided as part of his benefits. That would be in addition to whatever life insurance policy DH and TH may have on their own. So we can assume that there is at least one life insurance policy and possibly two policies. JMHO

Something just ISN'T right with her "story".

 

[oh_gal]

This is a question for those of you who have been keeping up with her tv interviews...is there any truth to the statement that her husband's family, who have stood by her in the past (since the incident), are now absent during these most recent interviews?

 

[Kimberlyd125]

This is a question for those of you who have been keeping up with her tv interviews...is there any truth to the statement that her husband's family, who have stood by her in the past (since the incident), are now absent during these most recent interviews?

She was by herself this morning.

Idk maybe everyone has had to somewhat get back to living their lives. Work, bills, etc.

I've seen nothing one way or the other as to why they were not there this morning.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

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Something just ISN'T right with her "story".

I agree and I find it very odd that she consistently keeps referring to it as "my story." If it happened as she said, it's not a story.

 

[NoeticSoul]

I agree and I find it very odd that she consistently keeps referring to it as "my story." If it happened as she said, it's not a story.

EXACTLY

It's a "story" alright.

And what's with her statement in the interview where she says that David "wants" to be cremated? Very telling.

Also while talking with Anderson Cooper...

Cooper: How close did they get to you at the closest point?

TH: Our jet ski is about 10 feet long and I was in the back of the jet ski and they were at the front of it, so about 10 feet.

First she had reported that they were both on jet skis (and even said that DH's was faster than hers) but here she says "our" jet ski, and not "my" jet ski.

Then TH says that she wanted to get David "back" on the jet ski, indicating that he was on her jet ski. Does this mean DH was in front? The location of the second jet ski IMO will be very important to this whole investigation. Especially since her's didn't sustain any bullet holes after being "showered" with bullets while trying to "escape".

Then there this she says during her latest interviews:
http://www.wtop.com/?nid=105&sid=2081937

"Mrs. Hartley said that pirates shot her husband in the neck and that she barely escaped when they shot at her when she tried to retrieve him." WHAT?!


It's like Casey Anthony saying "That's my "story" and I'm sticking to it"! Only TH is not doing a very good job at "sticking" to it IMO.

 

[Tuffy]

EXACTLY

It's a "story" alright.

And what's with her statement in the interview where she says that David "wants" to be cremated? Very telling.

Also while talking with Anderson Cooper...

Cooper: How close did they get to you at the closest point?

TH: Our jet ski is about 10 feet long and I was in the back of the jet ski and they were at the front of it, so about 10 feet.

First she had reported that they were both on jet skis (and even said that DH's was faster than hers) but here she says "our" jet ski, and not "my" jet ski.

Then TH says that she wanted to get David "back" on the jet ski, indicating that he was on her jet ski. Does this mean DH was in front? The location of the second jet ski IMO will be very important to this whole investigation. Especially since her's didn't sustain any bullet holes after being "showered" with bullets while trying to "escape".

It's like Casey Anthony saying "That's my "story" and I'm sticking to it"! Only she's not doing a very good job at "sticking" to it IMO.

She uses some odd word choices throughout all of her interviews. The Anthonys use weird words also. The Anthonys use their words to mislead, and avoid telling the truth. I think TH uses her words in the same way.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

I hope if anything ever happens this tragic to any of us, we are not picked apart like this.

IMO she has been throgh someting horrific. And every sentence she says, is really disected and questioned. I don't how I would act or what I would say if this happened to me. I don't know what words I would use or if I would use them in perfect context. I don't think any of us do.

I understand having questions and not believing her 100% but, questioning everything she says and does is kind of over the top IMO.

I just hope this is cleared up soon and we know all the answers. No matter what happened.

JMO

JMO

 

[IzzyBlanche]

I don't think anyone would be questioning and dissecting her sentences if her "story" didn't keep changing. That is a big red flag for me and makes her words fair game for dissection IMO.

Also I keep going back to one fact: so far, there is not one scintilla of evidence but her word that anything tragic or horrific actually happened. No body, no Jet Ski, no witnesses to the shooting itself, no bullet holes in her Jet Ski as far as we know, no life vest, no witnesses that ever saw David on the lake that day.

Until such evidence surfaces (no pun intended), I don't think it is unreasonable to question whether her "story" is true.

ETA: And another thing--when someone goes on TV at every available opportunity to repeat their "story," they are making themselves fair game for questions IMO.

 

[alwaysonmymind]

She was by herself this morning.

Idk maybe everyone has had to somewhat get back to living their lives. Work, bills, etc.

I've seen nothing one way or the other as to why they were not there this morning.

David's mother went back to Colorado last Thursday. IIRC

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[NoeticSoul]

I don't think anyone would be questioning and dissecting her sentences if her "story" didn't keep changing. That is a big red flag for me and makes her words fair game for dissection IMO.

Also I keep going back to one fact: so far, there is not one scintilla of evidence but her word that anything tragic or horrific actually happened. No body, no Jet Ski, no witnesses to the shooting itself, no bullet holes in her Jet Ski as far as we know, no life vest, no witnesses that ever saw David on the lake that day.

Until such evidence surfaces (no pun intended), I don't think it is unreasonable to question whether her "story" is true.

ETA: And another thing--when someone goes on TV at every available opportunity to repeat their "story," they are making themselves fair game for questions IMO.

My sentiments exactly. Most of all (and I realize that everyone reacts differently to trauma and death).. I have not witnessed--in all of her interviews--ONE genuine tear shed for DH during all of this upheaval. WHy? He's not dead IMO.

She seems to have more expressive compassion for the Investigator that was beheaded. I sure hope that dire concern for him wasn't out of guilt that her *story* actually DID kill a person.

 

[WellDone]

What if it was David Hartley telling the story, reporting that his wife had been shot under circumstances that couldn't be confirmed?

Wouldn't it be fair to question him?
Wouldn't his story seem much like Scott Peterson's?

BBM

Personally, I don't feel the 2 cases can &/or should be compared.... Scott Peterson WAS NOT cleared &/or supported by LE - jmo

 

[laytonian]

BBM

Personally, I don't feel the 2 cases can &/or should be compared.... Scott Peterson WAS NOT cleared &/or supported by LE - jmo

I'm sorry; I haven't read any news reports that quote LE as saying Tiffany's been "cleared".

Can you help me (and others), by providing a cite (website URL) for that?

As I remember, it was Laci's mother who was the person who publicly stated her mistrust of Scott Peterson long before he was named a POI.

 

[alwaysonmymind]

And they held hands while walking through the airport and hugged and appeared to be quietly crying.
I don't think his family is against her at all but many people on here wish they were.

I came on here at the beginning of the Caylee Anthony case and could understand the animosity towards Casey, Cindy and George.
But I just don't get this nastiness towards this poor woman.

Just because she is close to a crime doesn't mean she committed the crime.
She is a victim.
And i'm sickened by how people on here are picking her apart.
I am seriously considering cancelling my membership here.

I'm content to wait to hear on the news that Casey has been found guilty of murder 1.

I agree with the member who said what if it was you that this happened to and everyone looked at you as if you must have done it?

It's like the Salem witch trials.

Many people have said how dangerous these gangs are and parts of Mexico are. A man has his head removed and sent in a suitcase and still there are those on here who say those things aren't relevant.

REALLY???!!!

I'm out of here.

ITA
Also convicted in the "Court of Public Opinion"-

Gary Condit - Chandra Levy murder
Lindy Chamberlain- accused of murdering her child
Richard Jewell- accused of planting a pipe bomb at the Atlanta Olympics
Diena Thompson - speculation/criticism/blame in the murder of her daughter

Sad.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

I don't think anyone would be questioning and dissecting her sentences if her "story" didn't keep changing. That is a big red flag for me and makes her words fair game for dissection IMO.

Also I keep going back to one fact: so far, there is not one scintilla of evidence but her word that anything tragic or horrific actually happened. No body, no Jet Ski, no witnesses to the shooting itself, no bullet holes in her Jet Ski as far as we know, no life vest, no witnesses that ever saw David on the lake that day.

Until such evidence surfaces (no pun intended), I don't think it is unreasonable to question whether her "story" is true.

ETA: And another thing--when someone goes on TV at every available opportunity to repeat their "story," they are making themselves fair game for questions IMO.

Like I've stated over and over again, I understand there are questions. I have questions.

It's just that until LE says otherwise, she is a victim in this case of a tragic event. She is not a POI or a SUSPECT.
So, I guess I think the questions should at least be respectful and not bashing or questioning her abilites to learn and such.

I just find some of the stuff that has been "questioned" or "picked aprt" or whatever has nothing to do with the case. I think the authorities who know more than we do will let us know if she is considered "hinky" by them.

IMO that evidence will never surface. So, because of that, TH should always be questioned???? Because the evidence was in Mexican waters and we are not even allowed to search there? The Mexican gov can not even search there because of the violence going on now?
Poor Tiffany, if that's the case.

JMO

 

[Kimberlyd125]

What if it was David Hartley telling the story, reporting that his wife had been shot under circumstances that couldn't be confirmed?

Wouldn't it be fair to question him?
Wouldn't his story seem much like Scott Peterson's?

YES! It would be fair to question him. I'm sure LE has questioned TH. OVER and OVER.
I'm just gonna quote myself so I don't have to type it all again. lol

Like I've stated over and over again, I understand there are questions. I have questions.

It's just that until LE says otherwise, she is a victim in this case of a tragic event. She is not a POI or a SUSPECT.
So, I guess I think the questions should at least be respectful and not bashing or questioning her abilites to learn and such.

I just find some of the stuff that has been "questioned" or "picked aprt" or whatever has nothing to do with the case. I think the authorities who know more than we do will let us know if she is considered "hinky" by them.

IMO that evidence will never surface. So, because of that, TH should always be questioned???? Because the evidence was in Mexican waters and we are not even allowed to search there? The Mexican gov can not even search there because of the violence going on now?
Poor Tiffany, if that's the case.

JMO

 

[WellDone]

I'm sorry; I haven't read any news reports that quote LE as saying Tiffany's been "cleared".

Can you help me (and others), by providing a cite (website URL) for that?

As I remember, it was Laci's mother who was the person who publicly stated her mistrust of Scott Peterson long before he was named a POI.

I'll search for a link for you ASAP.... concerning Hartley.

LE were tailing & monitoring Scott even before they knew about Amber Fry

 

[laytonian]

I'll search for a link for you ASAP.... concerning Hartley.

LE were tailing & monitoring Scott even before they knew about Amber Fry

Yes, they were. But we didn't know that, early on.

 

[Salem]

Listen Up: This thread is becoming an "I believe her/I don't believe her" bickering match. It needs to stop or the thread will be closed.

You guys know the rules. Say why you do or do not believe her. Give your interpretation of the facts. AND then move on. Do not dissect other posters' opinions, do not talk bad about other posters and do not talk back to other posters.

TH is to be treated with respect as a victim in this case - that doesn't mean you have to believe her. LE on both sides of the border have said they do believe her and they don't believe her - so it is open for discussion. However, there is to be no discussion of her hair style, jewelry or clothes. The discussion must pertain to DH's missing.

If you have any questions, let me or another mod know by pm and we will answer them.

Salem