Mexico Mexico - Jenny Chen, 26, Oaxaca, 11 April 2016 #2

[Lilibet]

I understand your point Lilibet, but what if, despite his failings, he is doing the best he can with the abilities he possesses?
That's where I'm coming from.
This really is a frustrating situation, for sure. And a very sad one.

He could very well be doing the best he has with the ability he possesses, roses. I appreciate your kindness, even though I see it differently. How sad for Jenny. And JR.

 

[rosesfromangels]

He could very well be doing the best he has with the ability he possesses, roses. I appreciate your kindness, even though I see it differently. How sad for Jenny. And JR.

I'm not trying to be overly kind to this fellow really. If you have traveled through this area it would put things in perspective. To say this is an uphill battle, is a monumental understatement. Even if she "ran off" the odds of her surviving aren't good. I have come to the firm opinion that Jenny's mental state must have indeed been quite confused. All opinion of course.

 

[GigTu]

Welcome to our crazy-making thread, GigTu. As always, you ask good questions. There are no straight answers and haven't been from the beginning. Then JR hired a PI who presumably uncovered a lot of information, but we get little trickles from JR that provide more questions than answers. He also has an attorney, who has highly placed connections. He provided information in a radio interview, but that also raises more questions that don't get answered. And JR has a co-administrator CN on the FB page who shoots down questions. He rarely reels her in or gives an answer.

The Corona guy absolutely could be made up. And the police could be behind her disappearance, for all we know. JR has pinned his hopes on Corona guy for months, despite advice that he needs to broaden his search. In short, we know nothing. And the trail is cold. And it's very frustrating.

Thanks. Ive been following quietly, and noticed a bit of an unhealthy witch hunt forming, which makes it harder to consider other options. You guys have vetted so many angles, but i have to chime in that i think JR owes information to no one but the police. And if he's been digging, he may have put himself in jeopardy. Maybe he's quiet to keep safe, or keep her safe, if she's alive.

I do not think he harmed her. I think she stupidly chose an adventure without realizing the dangers. Human trafficking, drug lords, corrupt police, bandits, sexual deviants, foreign terrorists, and straight up mean criminals run rampant throughout Mexico, with no accountability. They have their own rules, and those people all have people up here in the US. I think any time a person who isn't knowledgeable about the perils crosses that border into Mexico they risk their lives.

If JR gets too close, what happens to him? Or his other family members? His entire life us now an open book. He's not safe.

If Jenny is alive somewhere I'm sure she isn't enjoying it. And I really think the police down there know exactly where she is, and not alive.

 

[rosesfromangels]

I agree with your assessment 100% Gigtu.

 

[DexterMorgan]

Thanks. Ive been following quietly, and noticed a bit of an unhealthy witch hunt forming, which makes it harder to consider other options. You guys have vetted so many angles, but i have to chime in that i think JR owes information to no one but the police. And if he's been digging, he may have put himself in jeopardy. Maybe he's quiet to keep safe, or keep her safe, if she's alive.

I do not think he harmed her. I think she stupidly chose an adventure without realizing the dangers. Human trafficking, drug lords, corrupt police, bandits, sexual deviants, foreign terrorists, and straight up mean criminals run rampant throughout Mexico, with no accountability. They have their own rules, and those people all have people up here in the US. I think any time a person who isn't knowledgeable about the perils crosses that border into Mexico they risk their lives.

If JR gets too close, what happens to him? Or his other family members? His entire life us now an open book. He's not safe.

If Jenny is alive somewhere I'm sure she isn't enjoying it. And I really think the police down there know exactly where she is, and not alive.

Hi Gigtu.

I think if the police were involved. Then we wouldn't have eyewitnesses and unknown Corona drivers.

He has mentioned Corona for so long that it started to sound more like litigation and negligence suits to follow.

Now they have a description of the driver. So I can't see the police angle for now.

But anything is possible when the husband decides what the press will release. Jmo

 

[DexterMorgan]

What if Jenny tried to skip out on paying the last family like she did before and things got hectic which is why her note pad was there?

It's definitely plausible. But wouldn't a husband want the p.i to search the people's home for other items.

And why mention Corona when you could simply say she got a ride with a man in a van or something.

 

[Lilibet]

My clumsy translation attempt below. Be forewarned though, that my Spanish isn't great, and what Spanish I do know is New Mexico Spanish, which is apparently its own weird thing. So don't take anything in it as official. Stuff in square brackets=my notes & clarification.


Original text:
Al no tener respuesta, Reinhard contrató a una agencia de investigación privada, quienes señalaron que la última vez que se vio a Jenny Chen, posiblemente pasó la noche en un paradero de camiones en La Laguna, donde está la desviación a Juchitán.

My translation:
After getting no reply [from Mexican authorities], Reinhard hired a private investigator, who determined that when Jenny Chen was last seen, she may have spent the night at a *truckstop [bus stop?] in La Laguna, where the detour to Juchitan is.


*note: I believe "camion/camiones" in this context means bus/buses. I would use "camion" (or "troca" if I was being informal) for "truck" and "autobus" for "bus," but I think "camion" is "bus" in Mexico. However, later in the article the word "camion" is used to mean "the Modelo truck," so I don't know...

I did a translation of the entire article, as well as the earlier summary of the radio show, but I hesitate to post them because I don't want to run afoul of the rules about copyright. (I should be covered under translator's copyright, but better to be safe, I guess.) But let me know if there are any other paragraphs from those two articles that anyone wants an iffy translation of. (I can get the gist of an article, but my literal word-to-word translating sucks.) In a few weeks the fall semester starts and I can bug my Spanish professor friends for official translations (although hopefully Jenny will be found safe by then).

BBM

I got a little input from a Spanish translator married to a Mexican...WSer Waitin'4thewrld2chg who contacted me with this info.

Her husband says "paradero" is a truck stop. "Parada" is a bus stop. Although "camion" and "autobus" can be used interchangeably for "bus", "camion" is primarily used for a big truck (camioneta is a pickup or van).

Thanks Waitin'! And thanks again Mouse.

 

[DexterMorgan]

Okay. Jr may feel bombarded due to the situation. But for some reason we all feel like he is holding back some things.

Now he did post one time about meeting Jennys friends in Mexico for the search.

But which friends since Jenny doesn't seem to have many. Jmo. Especially on these parts of town.

Now he mentioned meeting up with her friends. But never mentioned meeting up with her momma that actually did travel to find out what was going on.

So if he has pictures with him and Jennys friends in Mexico. Then I hope he shows them.

Because not 1 friend verified this on the help jenny page. Jmo.

And none of Jennys friends that he supposedly met in Mexico are vouching for him anywhere. Jmo.

So imo. Jonathan is not some confused American whoms wife is missing in Mexico.

Because he seems very calculated on words that he chooses for any of the previous fund me updates. Jmo.

 

[LisaWL7TR]

My understanding Jenny was traveling alone but friends are mentioned. Are these friend she met in Mexico?

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[Lilibet]

My understanding Jenny was traveling alone but friends are mentioned. Are these friend she met in Mexico?

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There were photos on her FB page of Jenny at parties and meals with different people she met during her trip, so some of them became FB friends.

 

[DexterMorgan]

There were photos on her FB page of Jenny at parties and meals with different people she met during her trip, so some of them became FB friends.

I don't think a husband would call strangers friends. They are people she simply met down there while on vacation. And would they really travel to meet him while not searching anything?

But once again. Very calculated wording on his part if she didn't actually have friends down there prior to her trip. Idk

 

[LisaWL7TR]

Ok. I am thinking Jenny Chen has unfortunately met with foul play. Being military for 26 years and friends with many spouses....I just can't see a Chinese spouse living in the U.S.A wirh no income telling her American spouse that she will be backpacking across mexico, etc.. I want to think hubby tried to stop her and she had her reasons for doing so but why not the good old USA. We have lots of interesting states. I know what is done is done but I so wished they could have comprised about where she was choosing to explore.
Jmho

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[DexterMorgan]

Ok. I am thinking Jenny Chen has unfortunately met with foul play. Being military for 26 years and friends with many spouses....I just can't see a Chinese spouse living in the U.S.A wirh no income telling her American spouse that she will be backpacking across mexico, etc.. I want to think hubby tried to stop her and she had her reasons for doing so but why not the good old USA. We have lots of interesting states. I know what is done is done but I so wished they could have comprised about where she was choosing to explore.
Jmho

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Agree. Did jonathan pay for her trip or did she? Because I would think she would want to work and send money to her family back in China. Jmo.

But maybe her family is wealthy or financially stable and provided her with money. Idk.

 

[LisaWL7TR]

Agree. Did jonathan pay for her trip or did she? Because I would think she would want to work and send money to her family back in China. Jmo.

But maybe her family is wealthy or financially stable and provided her with money. Idk.

Yeah, I don't know but I wouldn't pay for my spouse to take off while I held down the home front. Maybe she had the money to travel in her personal savings account. I believed she worked before moving to the U.S.

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[DexterMorgan]

Yeah, I don't know but I wouldn't pay for my spouse to take off while I held down the home front. Maybe she had the money to travel in her personal savings account. I believed she worked before moving to the U.S.

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Agree. What if she just received a big sum of money as an inheritance. And now Jonathan has control over that while not doing too much to find his wife. Idk.

Btw. A long trip like that sounds like a person that just ran into money and will not let their spouse stop them from finally doing what they want to do. Jmo.

I think that this was a independence trip. And not a can I please have money to go on a trip. Jmo.

But since Jennys family doesn't speak on social media. Then it's hard to know if Jenny's grandfather or whomever left her money. Idk

 

[GigTu]

Hi Gigtu.

I think if the police were involved. Then we wouldn't have eyewitnesses and unknown Corona drivers.

He has mentioned Corona for so long that it started to sound more like litigation and negligence suits to follow.

Now they have a description of the driver. So I can't see the police angle for now.

But anything is possible when the husband decides what the press will release. Jmo

Where are these witnesses? Why do their stories not match up? Or did the witness information come from the Mexican police?

 

[LisaWL7TR]

Where are these witnesses? Why do their stories not match up? Or did the witness information come from the Mexican police?

It has been so long and many reads but I can't recall where the witness info came from? And who knows maybe they aren't even around after speaking up?

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[GigTu]

From what I've read, all witness information was fed to JR from Mexican police efforts for the time frame Jenny disappeared. All of Jenny's steps are traceable until the last 12-24 hour period Jenny was last seen. In that time frame, I have read of no witness accountings, just information fed to JR from Mexican police. If the police aren't fully knowledgable about her fate, I'm certain they know who is. And JR going down there and poking around puts him and his relatives in grave danger. jmo

 

[slowpoke]

From what I've read, all witness information was fed to JR from Mexican police efforts for the time frame Jenny disappeared. All of Jenny's steps are traceable until the last 12-24 hour period Jenny was last seen. In that time frame, I have read of no witness accountings, just information fed to JR from Mexican police. If the police aren't fully knowledgable about her fate, I'm certain they know who is. And JR going down there and poking around puts him and his relatives in grave danger. jmo

I believe JR has been saying that his PI is the one who found the eyewitnesses. http://helpfindjenny.weebly.com/

A Mexican private investigator tracked Jenny’s April 11 route from Oaxaca City, to Juchitan, Oaxaca, approximately 6 hours away. He located the family she stayed with on the night of April 11 in Juchitan.

and

It has been 3 weeks since the private investigator uncovered the witness reports that Jenny left Juchitan in the Corona truck.

 

[GigTu]

I believe JR has been saying that his PI is the one who found the eyewitnesses. http://helpfindjenny.weebly.com/

and

Ok. I misunderstood that.

So then, why can't we pinpoint where she slept, and on which nights? Where did the PI get his info? Why is it inconsistent?