Mexico Mexico - Jenny Chen, 26, Oaxaca, 11 April 2016 #2

[saengseon]

Again, I have to go back to what I know for certain, and that is what I know about that area. I don't think JR has anything to do with Jenny's disappearance. For whatever reason, she chose to go backpacking in one of the most crime ridden and dangerous areas of the world. This suggests to me she was unwell in some way, her thinking not clear.
If the report that Jenny got on the Corona truck is true, her body will most likely be found within a mile of the original pick up spot, dumped on a side road, in ditch somewhere. Her remains will eventually be found.

There is a very slight chance, very slight that she is in some delusional state and is traveling igcognito. She may be paranoid and thinking she needs to hide. Her actions up to the point of disappearance suggest that theory isn't too fanciful. But the highest probability is that she is now long deceased.

I do *not* believe the husband has anything to do with her vanishing.

Jenny came across as someone learning that she'd been naive to think of the people as kind and innocent when she had the financial encounters with the people there - demanding money or the police extorting money over a helmet (not sure if the bike rider was in on the scam, but for the amount the extorted, I wouldn't be surprised). She hadn't had the school of hard knocks, but this happens with younger people less experienced in the world.

If indeed no longer with us, there's a good chance her remains may never be found. There's a book out there by an investigator who tested what happens when you leave a body in a deserted desert place (he used pigs I believe) and within a period of time, nothing remained of the remains. Wild dogs, coyotes, vultures, what have you, would take all there is. For the same reason you never see animal bones in a forest or some other wild area. They are gone quick.

I wonder how long JR will continue to look. I suppose at some point he may have to leave the case open and move on with life. I just find it hard to believe she chose to just disappear from everyone and live in secrecy and no one say anything. But one never knows...

 

[DexterMorgan]

Lilibet. I agree. Most of the articles have translation mistakes.

But Jonathan never corrects the mistakes of dates that some Mx interviews are reporting. Jmo.

So since one article stated that Jenny was found independently hiking in May. Tells me that the Consul told Jennys family in May.

But doesn't mean that they meant that she was still independently hiking in May.

Jmo.

So either Jennys mom knows.

Or she was just happy to hear positive news.
Idk.

 

[GigTu]

BBM

I think something has been lost in translation and misunderstood regarding April 12. That is the last date Jenny was said to be seen. In Spanish translations we have discovered that "him and he" is often used when referring to Jenny. So it's not the date JR reported her missing. I'm not sure we know the exact date, but without digging through the threads I'm going to say it was sometime before he left Cancun (at least I hope he didn't wait until he returned to the US, but we can't be sure). She was reported missing to authorities in the state of Quintana Roo where Cancun is located. However, shortly after that the authorities in the state of Oaxaca became involved because that was where she was last seen. The case was opened in Oaxaca and they have handled it since April.

Moreno is talking about getting the Attorney General involved in June, when Moreno was hired by JR. Moreno was, I think, trying to use his considerable influence to get the case more attention.

The information about the Corona truck driver was revealed in late May. The PI was said to have tracked this info down. From then on, that was the entire focus by JR.

As an aside: An interesting thing to me is that Jenny's parents came to Mexico in May and were assisted by the Chinese embassy. Not only did they speak to Oaxacan LE, but to LE in several other states such as Chiapas, that Jenny could have passed through en route to Cancun. In other words, it seems that their investigation was more comprehensive than JR's. JR never once mentioned that her family had come to Mexico until the Chinese embassy press release was discovered. He was immediately dismissive of the fact that they were told that Jenny had been seen backpacking in May. While he could be correct in his assessment, he said it in such a definite and rude way that it certainly seemed odd to me. JMO

I hope you're right. I want JR to be innocent of any foul play. Jenny is still missing, however.

 

[Tssiemer]

So since one article stated that Jenny was found independently hiking in May. Tells me that the Consul told Jennys family in May.

But doesn't mean that they meant that she was still independently hiking in May.

This was my thought but I wasn't sure how to word it. I think in May they were told she was hiking not that she was STILL hiking in May.

If she was still alive she would be posting on SM
But I guess she could have lost her phone. But then she would call SOMEONE.


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[GigTu]

Sex slaves can be an gender, any nationality, any age. And she is petite and looks very young. She was just naively hitch-hiking her way around Mexico, the global hub for drug running, corruption and human trafficking. If she's alive I don't think she has access to a phone. She may not even be in Mexico anymore. If she's not alive..... Either way, the outcome is a grim thought.

 

[slowpoke]

Jenny's case has certainly upped my interest in learning about hitchhiking in Mexico. I've been reading articles on it, and thought I'd share some of what I've found. A side note: by being on WS, we really can expand our knowledge on a lot of subjects through following cases, can't we? Geography, human nature...the list goes on! Back to the articles I've read:

I was reading a person's blog who has hitchhiked in MX. She said it is a "breeze" to do it there, explaining that their highways have tolls (called casetas). She says these are the perfect place to find a ride because they always have a store and bathrooms, so you can approach a driver on foot instead of sticking your thumb out on the side of the hwy. Not sure if linking the blog is allowed, so if interested, google "how this girl travels", and the entry I read this is the one on the road from MX City to Guatemala. Really saw the parallels with Jenny, especially where she even mentions trouble getting cash from an ATM.

This page was interesting to read, too. http://hitchwiki.org/en/Mexico
Remembering that we recently heard Jenny may have stayed overnight at a truck stop, it seems to corroborate that possibility where it says: "it's really easy and safe to stay over in gas stations or fire stations". It also said that Pemex is the only gasoline company of Mexico--which I didn't realize.

Both of those reads gave the impression of hitchhiking in MX as being commonplace and very doable, as long as you take normal precautions. However, I was reading another article, this one in a magazine, Outpost Magazine, so I think it is ok to add the link to it: http://www.outpostmagazine.com/articles/columnists/s-bedford/421-thumbs-up-for-hitchhiking
She had an experience hitchhiking in MX that was very terrifying. Again, parallels to Jenny: southern Mexico. Accepted a ride from a truck driver. Unlike Jenny, though, she was with a male friend while thumbing it, who ended up saving the day. The driver had suddenly turned off the hwy onto a remote area, turned to her and said, "Are you scared?" Yikes! Vision of Jenny..

 

[Tssiemer]

Websleuths makes me scared to leave my house sometimes. Let alone hitchhike in Mexico. We went to Mexico for our honeymoon 4 years ago and people were standing on the side of the road with assault rifles.


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[Lilibet]

Lilibet. I agree. Most of the articles have translation mistakes.

But Jonathan never corrects the mistakes of dates that some Mx interviews are reporting. Jmo.

So since one article stated that Jenny was found independently hiking in May. Tells me that the Consul told Jennys family in May.

But doesn't mean that they meant that she was still independently hiking in May.

Jmo.

So either Jennys mom knows.

Or she was just happy to hear positive news.
Idk.

BBM

This was my thought but I wasn't sure how to word it. I think in May they were told she was hiking not that she was STILL hiking in May.

If she was still alive she would be posting on SM
But I guess she could have lost her phone. But then she would call SOMEONE.


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BBM

It could be a translation issue about Jenny hitchhiking in May, but here is the quote:

After much investigation, Mexican police provided encouraging information to prove that Chen is still in late May in the south of Mexico and more hitchhiking trip.
https://translate.google.com/transl...//mx.china-embassy.org/chn/lsfw1/t1371117.htm

So it appears that the police told her parents that she was OK as of late May. I agree that it's very unlikely that Jenny was still hitchhiking in May and not contacting anyone. Clearly, in rejecting this information, JR shows that he was convinced already that she was either not alive or was not free to communicate. My point in my original post was that he was insensitive toward Jenny's parents in the angry, rude way he responded when this information was made public...after never even mentioning them previously. He slammed both the Chinese government and the Mexican police. And he's upset that he doesn't get cooperation? JMO

 

[KaaBoom]

So it appears that the police told her parents that she was OK as of late May. I agree that it's very unlikely that Jenny was still hitchhiking in May and not contacting anyone. Clearly, in rejecting this information, JR shows that he was convinced already that she was either not alive or was not free to communicate. My point in my original post was that he was insensitive toward Jenny's parents in the angry, rude way he responded when this information was made public...after never even mentioning them previously. He slammed both the Chinese government and the Mexican police. And he's upset that he doesn't get cooperation? JMO

So you think the police were lying when they told her parents that, and her parents and the Chinese Embassy officials were gullible enough to believe the lies?

 

[Tssiemer]

Maybe not outright lying. Maybe they think hey found evidence saying so if indeed it is not a translation issue.


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[Lilibet]

So you think the police were lying when they told her parents that, and her parents and the Chinese Embassy officials were gullible enough to believe the lies?

I always hate to accuse anyone of lying. However, it just seems unlikely to me that someone tied to social media and calling her mother every day like Jenny suddenly went voluntarily silent while still hitchhiking.* It's certainly not beyond the realm of possibility IMO that there was lying by both the police and the Chinese government, as JR indicated. Reassuring Jenny's parents may have served the interests of both the police and the Chinese for propaganda, business, diplomatic or other purposes. And what parent wouldn't grasp at that reassurance? Or maybe they didn't. We only have the story by the Chinese. The Mexican police didn't confirm or deny it.

*Rosesfromangels has suggested the remote possibility that Jenny's possible mental health issues could be responsible for her silence. But other than a break with reality causing her to stop communicating, I don't see her voluntarily going silent. According to her own words on Weibo, she was about to hitchhike to Cancun, so I don't see her suddenly deciding to hide from JR. I think she's either dead or trafficked. JMO

 

[slowpoke]

So you think the police were lying when they told her parents that, and her parents and the Chinese Embassy officials were gullible enough to believe the lies?

JR may have rejected what her family has learned from their trip to Mexico, but I still wish we could hear the detail of what they were told. JR's comment has since been deleted, but it was under one of the NW Asian Weekly articles. Under that article, a commenter had posted a link to the Embassy site information on the parents traveling to MX to learn about Jenny's whereabouts, thinking/saying that JR must be out of touch with Jenny's family in China, since he has not mentioned their findings. He angrily replied, "The Oaxaca police put on quite a show for Jenny’s parents. How could she be traveling for almost two months without any money?? I have her bank records. These types of stories produced wild rumors with NO substance, and deviate from the true investigation that my legal and investigative team have put together. We need to focus on her last substantiated sighting, which was with the truck company with Corona logos. We are working hard on that PROVEN lead, not silly rumors." Link to my post where I quoted the now-gone comment of his (Thread 1, post 497): http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...axaca-11-April-2016-1&p=12621131#post12621131

As Lilibet pointed out then, the article says the parents visited and talked to more than just the Oaxaca police, as they traveled and talked to several other state police depts, too. Yet, JR only mentions the Oaxaca police. Does he even know what they found out? Did the parents share their findings with JR? Makes you wonder.

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

So you think the police were lying when they told her parents that, and her parents and the Chinese Embassy officials were gullible enough to believe the lies?

Not saying it's the case here, but it's pretty easy to open a newspaper and find instances of government officials lying, at any level (fed, state, local). I can easily think of examples from our own state department, certain city attorneys, certain mayors, certain LE...

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[KaaBoom]

JR may have rejected what her family has learned from their trip to Mexico, but I still wish we could hear the detail of what they were told. JR's comment has since been deleted, but it was under one of the NW Asian Weekly articles. Under that article, a commenter had posted a link to the Embassy site information on the parents traveling to MX to learn about Jenny's whereabouts, thinking/saying that JR must be out of touch with Jenny's family in China, since he has not mentioned their findings. He angrily replied, "The Oaxaca police put on quite a show for Jenny’s parents. How could she be traveling for almost two months without any money?? I have her bank records. These types of stories produced wild rumors with NO substance, and deviate from the true investigation that my legal and investigative team have put together. We need to focus on her last substantiated sighting, which was with the truck company with Corona logos. We are working hard on that PROVEN lead, not silly rumors." Link to my post where I quoted the now-gone comment of his (Thread 1, post 497): http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...axaca-11-April-2016-1&p=12621131#post12621131

As Lilibet pointed out then, the article says the parents visited and talked to more than just the Oaxaca police, as they traveled and talked to several other state police depts, too. Yet, JR only mentions the Oaxaca police. Does he even know what they found out? Did the parents share their findings with JR? Makes you wonder.

If I have the choice to believe JR or to believe the Mexican Police and the Chinese Embassy. I choose to believe the Mexican Police and the Chinese Embassy. Because I don’t believe one damn word that JR says. He has lied way too many times already.

What possible reason would the Mexican Police and the Chinese Embassy have to conspire to convince her family that she is alive and well, if she is not? It doesn’t make any sense. Even if the Mexican police are corrupt, the Chinese Embassy’s job is to represent their citizens, in this case Jenny and her family. They would have no reason to side with the Mexican police and try to convince their citizens that that daughter is fine.

I’m pretty sure Jenny's parents didn’t travel half way around the world just to hear the Mexican police tell them, their daughter is fine and then they said, 'Oh OK', and went back to China. The police must have given them some pretty credible information to convince them.

This case seems pretty typical of many missing persons threads, where the person is found safe. Big thread, lots of debate, is the person dead, are they alive, where are they? Then the news that the police have located the person, they are fine, and they are not going to release any more information due to privacy reasons. End of story. I don’t see why this case is any different.

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

Or... it could be like the McStays, with a joint investigation between Mexico and the US (including the FBI and Interpol), sightings in Mexico investigated by Mexican LE, and US LE concluding and publicly announcing that the McStays were somewhere in Mexico.

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[GigTu]

Is it even remotely possible that she went back to China with her parents? Maybe Jenny didn't like who she found out JR to be and she planned this escape.

 

[Lilibet]

Is it even remotely possible that she went back to China with her parents? Maybe Jenny didn't like who she found out JR to be and she planned this escape.

It could be remotely possible, but wouldn't Jenny make sure JR knew where she was to save him all this trouble? I guess that depends. :dunno: And wouldn't the Mexicans know she had used her passport and left the country? Someone would know and put a stop to this wouldn't they?...Unless JR has irritated one too many people in authority. Only half kidding.

 

[GigTu]

First of all, JR stormed in there and started poking around. No doubt he ruffled a few LE feathers. Second, they are a corrupt bunch. For the right fee, they might just enjoy sending ol' JR the American fool on a circle jerk and keep Jenny's family's secrets. Third, even for no fee.... Would the Mexican authorities cross the Chinese embassy leaders and chance the wrath of that backlash? Just some thoughts.

You see unsavory things in JR. Perhaps Jenny also saw them and doesn't care at all about his misery. Just that she took the trip at all in the manner she did speaks volumes about their relationship. Women from that part of the world are typically a lot more loyal and tolerant. We really don't know anything about Jenny <modsnip>

 

[DexterMorgan]

I hope you're right. I want JR to be innocent of any foul play. Jenny is still missing, however.

JR is most likely innocent of murder since he debunked what the Chinese government told Jennys family about being verified as still hitchhiking in May.

So once again. I doubt Jonathan would dispute their claims of her being alive if he was trying to get away with murder.

Jmo. The guy is probably innocent of murder. But Corona still needs to be sued by any means necessary. Lol.

Why. I don't know. But he has mentioned litigating with them for 3 months already. Jmo.

 

[rosesfromangels]

Is it even remotely possible that she went back to China with her parents? Maybe Jenny didn't like who she found out JR to be and she planned this escape.

I had this on my list of things to consider and check through. I don't believe this is the case, as there would have been some passport trail. I think if she ran off (unlikely vs. murdered IMO), it was because she was suffering from unclear thinking.