Mexico Mexico - Jenny Chen, 26, Oaxaca, 11 April 2016 #3

[ninij9]

No need to link. I'm pretty sure we've linked information full of statistics that tell the same story, just in a different way. As a woman, I would be terrified to hitchhike through Mexico alone, and would probably be cowering, quivering and hiding every time a vehicle went by. As someone noted above, suicide by backpack. YIKES!

As a person that LOVES💜💜💜 Mexico and is returning in August, I'll be the very first to say that even on the "Safe" Caribbean side in the state of Quintana Roo, I wouldn't dream of stepping out on my own for a five minute walk in front of my hotel (unless I was on Isla Mujeres or Cozumel) and even then would be super cautious. I've been in my transfer van for the one hour drive from Cancun airport to my hotel down the coast and have seen burned out vans, Federales with AK 47s and all sorts of sketchy crap. I've seen military in full combat gear walk our private beach at 6am patrolling the tourist zone and even in the safer areas have heard of police corruption and tourist entrapment. Mexico is no joke. And where Jenny was is a literal U.S. no go zone according to the state Dept. She was very unwise to travel as she did. Heck even if she travelled with a dozen people, she was hugely unsafe in those areas. Mexicans in those areas are generally unsafe.

I'm aware I'm not saying anything new here. But what on Earth? I can never ever come here to read without saying at some point: Jenny!! What in the world were you thinking girl???!!!!!

Gig, sorry to jump off your post and soapbox.

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[GigTu]

Random... I just heard this being talked about on radio. They clearly quoted this article.

The CNN story finally linked.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/09/americas/mexico-second-deadliest-conflict-2016/

Here is another link with information about Mexico being the second most dangerous "conflict zone" after Syria. 50,000 died in Syria in 2016.

The expanding drug war in Mexico claimed 23,000 lives during 2016, according to the annual Armed Conflict Survey by the International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS).
..........
In comparison, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan claimed 17,000 and 16,000 lives respectively in 2016.

"This is all the more surprising, considering that the conflict deaths are nearly all attributable to small arms," said John Chipman, chief executive and director-general of the IISS. “Mexico is a conflict marked by the absence of artillery, tanks or combat aviation.”

http://www.telesurtv.net/english/ne...-Deadliest-Country-in-2016-20170509-0019.html

 

[GigTu]

As a person that LOVES Mexico and is returning in August, I'll be the very first to say that even on the "Safe" Caribbean side in the state of Quintana Roo, I wouldn't dream of stepping out on my own for a five minute walk in front of my hotel (unless I was on Isla Mujeres or Cozumel) and even then would be super cautious. I've been in my transfer van for the one hour drive from Cancun airport to my hotel down the coast and have seen burned out vans, Federales with AK 47s and all sorts of sketchy crap. I've seen military in full combat gear walk our private beach at 6am patrolling the tourist zone and even in the safer areas have heard of police corruption and tourist entrapment. Mexico is no joke. And where Jenny was is a literal U.S. no go zone according to the state Dept. She was very unwise to travel as she did. Heck even if she travelled with a dozen people, she was hugely unsafe in those areas. Mexicans in those areas are generally unsafe.

I'm aware I'm not saying anything new here. But what on Earth? I can never ever come here to read without saying at some point: Jenny!! What in the world were you thinking girl???!!!!!

Gig, sorry to jump off your post and soapbox.

I'm happy to share the soapbox. I've never traveled outside of the US, and I don't really have the desire to after reading WS for a few years. I won't even do a cruise... 'cause irate: :laughcry:

 

[Sjm_qc]

That's a good point Dexter. What was her previous Weibo posting pattern? Has anyone ever made a timeline of her activities?

IIRC, there were WSers who made valiant attempts at a timeline way-back-when, but - unfortunately - by the time most got to it, her FB was shutdown/taken over, & I don't think we ever had anyone who could read Chinese for other accounts .

In addition, most news was/is filtered through JR, which has not helped... I think I've made my opinion fairly clear on that... :silenced: :silenced: : :scared:

AND, I mentioned this more than once ages ago: JR has us looking for "Jenny", which is her - adopted/assumed - Western name. Which may or may not be on her ID. Her birth (Chinese) name would be, in both Chinese characters & Roman alphabet transliteration. I had it saved somewhere, I'll see if I can find it again.

 

[DexterMorgan]

IIRC, there were WSers who made valiant attempts at a timeline way-back-when, but - unfortunately - by the time most got to it, her FB was shutdown/taken over, & I don't think we ever had anyone who could read Chinese for other accounts .

In addition, most news was/is filtered through JR, which has not helped... I think I've made my opinion fairly clear on that... :silenced: :silenced: : :scared:

AND, I mentioned this more than once ages ago: JR has us looking for "Jenny", which is her - adopted/assumed - Western name. Which may or may not be on her ID. Her birth (Chinese) name would be, in both Chinese characters & Roman alphabet transliteration. I had it saved somewhere, I'll see if I can find it again.

Agree. Her birth certificate or social security number or marriage license or visa papers probably do not all show Jenny Chen as her name.

So her other names besides the Jenny Chen name probably wouldn't ring any alarms if she asked for help due to missing Seattle I.D card or something.


So yes. I heard that a guy name Black committed murders.

But I don't think that's the name on his birth certificate.

Lol. Good luck.

 

[skywatching]

Agree. Her birth certificate or social security number or marriage license or visa papers probably do not all show Jenny Chen as her name.

So her other names besides the Jenny Chen name probably wouldn't ring any alarms if she asked for help due to missing Seattle I.D card or something.


So yes. I heard that a guy name Black committed murders.

But I don't think that's the name on his birth certificate.

Lol. Good luck.

According to King County Recorder's Office, her name on the marriage license is Qundan Chen.

http://www.kingcounty.gov/depts/records-licensing/recorders-office/records-search.aspx

 

[GigTu]

I'm not sure how accurate or valid this is, but it certainly makes for interesting reading. Here's just a small bit:

http://www.telesurtv.net/english/ne...ns-in-Mexico-Stay-Missing--20150623-0009.html

According to figures from the Special Unit for the Search for Disappeared Persons, which was created by the office of the attorney general, Mexican law enforcement managed to locate 112 disappeared people over the last two years. Only 77 of them were found alive.

In the same time period, however, the National Register of Missing and Disappeared Persons documented 26,928 missing people (this number does not include the found 112 people). The numbers unfortunately suggest if people go missing in Mexico, they are more than likely to stay missing.

 

[Sjm_qc]

According to King County Recorder's Office, her name on the marriage license is Qundan Chen.

http://www.kingcounty.gov/depts/records-licensing/recorders-office/records-search.aspx

Which would be rendered in Chinese id documents (passport etc) as Chen Qun Dan, as well as in Chinese characters. There may or may not be an AKA "Jenny" on them.

Her Green card (which I think *might* be expired by now) probably does have both Jenny & Qun Dan on it.

My earlier insistence on the name thing was when JR kept reporting/insisting that there was no trace of her having left Mexico. I posited then & still believe that it's more than *possible* she could have done so, even IF there was a border alert.

(Source: I was married for a hot minute - a long time ago - to a man of Chinese origin with both Chinese & Western names. He had various ID with one or the other & both. He also used different combinations of the names in different social & business circles.)

 

[GigTu]

I'm sure this is old news, but in namus Delta/Southwest were named as the airline sources.

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/show/34598

http://www.missingin.org/reg12129/qundan_chen.htm

http://missingpersonsdata.com/usa/Washington/missing-recent/case-details/34598

 

[Sjm_qc]

I meant to add to my last post, but forgot, & Gigtu's post reminded me:

There are few countries that perform formal exit checks on visitors (including the US, strange as that may sound), so verifying whether someone has actually left a country isn't always a straightforward procedure, even less so if a land border is involved & not a scheduled flight. Although flight records for Jenny's booked itinerary could/should have been checked by LE without too much difficulty.

 

[msphilosopher]

I'm happy to share the soapbox. I've never traveled outside of the US, and I don't really have the desire to after reading WS for a few years. I won't even do a cruise... 'cause irate: :laughcry:

Awe Don't let the dark side of our society scare you from truly exploring the world! I traveled for 3 months across the globe and it was the best time of my life. As long as you follow the basic guidelines, it's safe (and fun!) to travel:

1. Don't travel alone / separate from other travelers
2. Research the areas before hand or travel with someone who does know the areas
3. If no one knows the areas, research and stay in touristy / safe regions / main attractions and/or preplan for a around the clock tour guide! (When I went to Peru, we had a tour guide that was with us the entire time from the time we landed until we flew out, many travel organizations provide this!)

I always traveled in big groups....soooooo much fun. I wish traveling the world could be a career haha

 

[Lilibet]

I'm sure this is old news, but in namus Delta/Southwest were named as the airline sources.

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/show/34598

http://www.missingin.org/reg12129/qundan_chen.htm

http://missingpersonsdata.com/usa/Washington/missing-recent/case-details/34598

I'm not sure why the airline info is included. By the time she was missing, the airline she used from Seattle to San Diego was irrelevant, unless she was flying Delta/Southwest to Cuba...not likely since Delta only applied to fly to Cuba in Feb 2016 and I don't see that they fly from Cancun. Southwest started flying to Cuba from Florida in December 2016.
http://news.wabe.org/post/delta-air-lines-plans-apply-direct-flights-cuba
https://www.southwest.com/html/promotions/new-service-cuba.html

I'd be interested in comparing the Namus profile of Jenny with other Americans missing in Mexico. Do they all show the U.S. city of origin as hers does? She didn't go missing from Seattle. She was simply reported to LE there by JR (only after being pestered about it on FB).

It also concerns me that her dental and DNA have not been submitted even though they are available. If she is found deceased, it will take longer to identify her remains. This lack of attention to detail is the running theme in this case, unfortunately.
JMO

 

[GigTu]

So Jenny's complete name includes only QunDan Jenny Chen? No middle name variations, or variations that include JR's surname?

If someone has already compiled it, can we get that list, plus all usernames/nicknames, put into one paragraph and placed on post #1?

 

[inmyhumbleopinion]

Which would be rendered in Chinese id documents (passport etc) as Chen Qun Dan, as well as in Chinese characters. There may or may not be an AKA "Jenny" on them.

Her Green card (which I think *might* be expired by now) probably does have both Jenny & Qun Dan on it.

My earlier insistence on the name thing was when JR kept reporting/insisting that there was no trace of her having left Mexico. I posited then & still believe that it's more than *possible* she could have done so, even IF there was a border alert.

(Source: I was married for a hot minute - a long time ago - to a man of Chinese origin with both Chinese & Western names. He had various ID with one or the other & both. He also used different combinations of the names in different social & business circles.)

RBBM for focus.

I'm sorry ... as hard as I've tried, I just cannot keep my mouth shut about this whole ordeal :sigh:.

There is so much basic information lacking here, IMO.

As you pointed out, we don't even know for sure if there has been a border alert. Also, is anyone tracking Jenny/Qun Dan's exit/entry movements via her passport or resident alien card, and if so, how often?

I got my permanent green card at age 16. After college, I was presented with the opportunity to go and work for a company in Japan, my "home" country. It was then I learned that as a resident alien -such as Jenny-, one must obtain what's called a reentry permit if s/he expects to be outside of the U.S. for more than a year. Otherwise, "your U.S. permanent residence may be considered as abandoned," and "(y)our Permanent Resident Card becomes technically invalid for reentry into the United States if you are absent from the United States for 1 year or more." Since this was over twenty years ago , I double-checked, and apparently rules haven't changed (as per link at the bottom of the post).

So, unless Jenny obtained a reentry permit prior to leaving for Mexico (or somehow slipped back into the US), her green card is no longer valid at this point. If approved, you can get a new reentry permit -which I did as I ended up working in Tokyo for a total of 3.5 years: "(r)eentry permits are normally valid for 2 years from the date of issuance"-, but we don't even know if she got one in the first place.

And if it turns out she didn't - was she even planning on returning to the U.S.?

https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/USCIS/Resources/B5en.pdf
https://my.uscis.gov/helpcenter/article/how-many-times-can-i-receive-a-reentry-permit
http://nwasianweekly.com/2016/06/hu...-of-seattle-was-last-seen-in-april-in-oaxaca/

 

[msphilosopher]

Is there a timeline? Case map or timeline of JR's actions following the disappearance?

I peaked into thread 1 and didn't see much.

 

[inmyhumbleopinion]

Awe Don't let the dark side of our society scare you from truly exploring the world! I traveled for 3 months across the globe and it was the best time of my life. As long as you follow the basic guidelines, it's safe (and fun!) to travel:

1. Don't travel alone / separate from other travelers
2. Research the areas before hand or travel with someone who does know the areas
3. If no one knows the areas, research and stay in touristy / safe regions / main attractions and/or preplan for a around the clock tour guide! (When I went to Peru, we had a tour guide that was with us the entire time from the time we landed until we flew out, many travel organizations provide this!)

I always traveled in big groups....soooooo much fun. I wish traveling the world could be a career haha

Couldn't agree more. If I can add anything, I would say just be aware of your surroundings, be alert, though I believe that to be true regardless of where you are in the world.

Having said that, I still have no desire to visit Mexico ....

ETA: Once, I hitched a ride with a group of men while on a remote island in Thailand. Supposedly on their way home from work chopping wood, a couple of them had machetes in their hands. This was almost twenty years ago, and my then-boyfriend was with me, but still .... Ah, to be young and foolish :facepalm:!

 

[msphilosopher]

Couldn't agree more. If I can add anything, I would say just be aware of your surroundings, be alert, though I believe that to be true regardless of where you are in the world.

Having said that, I still have no desire to travel to Mexico ....

I actually thought of that one as the #2 but then I forgot when I was writing trying to remember so yes... thank you for completing my post.

I've traveled to Mexico 3 times in my life. Honestly enjoyed all three trips tremendously. It's so easily to have a negative association because we only hear the negative things in the media... so many wonderful places and wonderful people. The last time I went I stayed in a little bungalow off the beach, this little old lady who owned the place made us complimentary homemade breakfasts -- one of the best I ever had. Everything fresh, freshly squeezed juice... ah so amazing.

 

[GigTu]

RBBM for focus.

I'm sorry ... as hard as I've tried, I just cannot keep my mouth shut about this whole ordeal :sigh:.

There is so much fundamental information lacking here, IMO.

As you pointed out, we don't even know for sure if there has been a border alert. Also, is anyone tracking Jenny/Qun Dan's exit/entry movements via her passport or resident alien card, and if so, how often?

I got my permanent green card at age 16. After college, I was presented with the opportunity to go and work for a company in Japan, my "home" country. It was then I learned that as a resident alien -such as Jenny-, one must obtain what's called a reentry permit if s/he expects to be outside of the U.S. for more than a year. Otherwise, "your U.S. permanent residence may be considered as abandoned," and "(y)our Permanent Resident Card becomes technically invalid for reentry into the United States if you are absent from the United States for 1 year or more." Since this was over twenty years ago , I double-checked, and apparently rules haven't changed (as per link at the bottom of the post).

So, unless Jenny obtained a reentry permit prior to leaving for Mexico (or somehow slipped back into the US), her green card is no longer valid at this point. If approved, you can get a new reentry permit -which I did as I ended up working in Tokyo for a total of 3.5 years: "(r)eentry permits are normally valid for 2 years from the date of issuance"-, but we don't even know if she got one in the first place.

And if it turns out she didn't - was she even planning on returning to the U.S.?

https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/USCIS/Resources/B5en.pdf
https://my.uscis.gov/helpcenter/article/how-many-times-can-i-receive-a-reentry-permit
http://nwasianweekly.com/2016/06/hu...-of-seattle-was-last-seen-in-april-in-oaxaca/

If I recall, Jenny was in the process of re-upping her card status.

To be honest, Jenny could have so easily come back to the US, changed her Jenny name to a different one, and just started her life over. Police do not have to inform JR of this as far as I know. However, if he goes to file a death certificate or get divorced/remarried, would they then have to verify she is alive and well?

 

[msphilosopher]

If I recall, Jenny was in the process of re-upping her card status.

To be honest, Jenny could have so easily come back to the US, changed her Jenny name to a different one, and just started her life over. Police do not have to inform JR of this as far as I know. However, if he goes to file a death certificate or get divorced/remarried, would they then have to verify she is alive and well?

Has Jenny's family ever been heard from?

PS - Really good question GigTu

 

[KaaBoom]

RBBM for focus.

I'm sorry ... as hard as I've tried, I just cannot keep my mouth shut about this whole ordeal :sigh:.

There is so much fundamental information lacking here, IMO.

As you pointed out, we don't even know for sure if there has been a border alert. Also, is anyone tracking Jenny/Qun Dan's exit/entry movements via her passport or resident alien card, and if so, how often?

I got my permanent green card at age 16. After college, I was presented with the opportunity to go and work for a company in Japan, my "home" country. It was then I learned that as a resident alien -such as Jenny-, one must obtain what's called a reentry permit if s/he expects to be outside of the U.S. for more than a year. Otherwise, "your U.S. permanent residence may be considered as abandoned," and "(y)our Permanent Resident Card becomes technically invalid for reentry into the United States if you are absent from the United States for 1 year or more." Since this was over twenty years ago , I double-checked, and apparently rules haven't changed (as per link at the bottom of the post).

So, unless Jenny obtained a reentry permit prior to leaving for Mexico (or somehow slipped back into the US), her green card is no longer valid at this point. If approved, you can get a new reentry permit -which I did as I ended up working in Tokyo for a total of 3.5 years: "(r)eentry permits are normally valid for 2 years from the date of issuance"-, but we don't even know if she got one in the first place.

And if it turns out she didn't - was she even planning on returning to the U.S.?

https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/USCIS/Resources/B5en.pdf
https://my.uscis.gov/helpcenter/article/how-many-times-can-i-receive-a-reentry-permit
http://nwasianweekly.com/2016/06/hu...-of-seattle-was-last-seen-in-april-in-oaxaca/

Even if she did get the reentry permit there is no guarantee that she was planning on returning. It's also possible that she decided while in Mexico, not to return to the US.

As for anyone tracking her exit/entry movements via her passport or Permanent Resident Card. I believe the Chinese government would be tracking has passport (since she has a Chinese passport) and the US government would be tracking her Permanent Resident Card (if she has even used that card).