Mexico Mexico - Jenny Chen, 26, Oaxaca, 11 April 2016 #3

[inmyhumbleopinion]

If I recall, Jenny was in the process of re-upping her card status.

To be honest, Jenny could have so easily come back to the US, changed her Jenny name to a different one, and just started her life over. Police do not have to inform JR of this as far as I know. However, if he goes to file a death certificate or get divorced/remarried, would they then have to verify she is alive and well?

Yes, she very well might be back in the US. Jenny seems quite resourceful that way (definitely not me ...).

As you mentioned, she "was on the path to citizenship," according to JR. As a resident alien, she wouldn't have needed a reentry permit if she was indeed planning on being outside of the U.S. for only three to four months, but still not the wisest thing to do, IMO. You really want to show the government that you want to live here permanently, to be an American citizen. Plus, Jenny didn't even move to the States until 2013.
http://nwasianweekly.com/2016/06/hu...-of-seattle-was-last-seen-in-april-in-oaxaca/

I do not believe LE would be obligated to let JR know her location if Jenny were to be found. They would probably let him know that she has been found alive, however, since a missing person's report has been filed with the SPD.

According to this Wiki entry, in the U.S.:
"The law calls people who disappear missing or absent. Several criteria affect declaring someone dead by assumption:

• A person's being missing from their home or usual residence for, typically, seven years (the period varies from state to state)
  
• Such absences being continuous and without explanation
• Such absences being accompanied by a lack of long-distance communication with those most likely to hear from them
• Diligent but unsuccessful search for that person and inquiry into their whereabouts."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declared_death_in_absentia#United_States

 

[inmyhumbleopinion]

Even if she did get the reentry permit there is no guarantee that she was planning on returning. It's also possible that she decided while in Mexico, not to return to the US.

As for anyone tracking her exit/entry movements via her passport or Permanent Resident Card. I believe the Chinese government would be tracking has passport (since she has a Chinese passport) and the US government would be tracking her Permanent Resident Card (if she has even used that card).

Yes, Jenny could have changed her mind at any point.

And yes, I would think -and assume- that the Chinese and US governments are keeping an eye on her movements. I just get frustrated because there has been no confirmation as to whether her information has been entered into any sort of system that would raise a red flag. I just would like to know for sure that a proper request has been made that her passport be tracked, green card flagged, etc.

 

[GigTu]

Maybe it isn't in the system because she is not "missing". Most likely that is not the case, but I like to be optimistic.

 

[Lilibet]

Is there a timeline? Case map or timeline of JR's actions following the disappearance?

I peaked into thread 1 and didn't see much.

I don't recall whether anyone made a case map or timeline. All we know about JR's actions following Jenny's disappearance (not showing up in Cancun) comes from JR in various MSM stories and the FB page. IIRC he says that when she didn't show up at the airport, he waited in his hotel room for several days. Then he says he reported her missing in Cancun and checked hospitals. Then he went home. We have no evidence that she did NOT arrive in Cancun. I'm not suggesting that she did arrive, but just illustrating the difficulty of verifying anything to do with this case.

It's been like pulling teeth to get accurate and consistent info from him about any aspect of this case. His posts on FB raise questions which he barely answers in a few words. Personally, I question the value of a timeline or case map under these circumstances. We have no independently verified information, except a case number from his report to Cancun or Quintana Roo LE (which is still based only on his word).
JMO, MOO, etc.

ETA: Welcome to the thread! :seeya:

 

[GigTu]

Does Jenny's green card acceptance in the US hinge on her marital staus with JR?

 

[DexterMorgan]

I don't recall whether anyone made a case map or timeline. All we know about JR's actions following Jenny's disappearance (not showing up in Cancun) comes from JR in various MSM stories and the FB page. IIRC he says that when she didn't show up at the airport, he waited in his hotel room for several days. Then he says he reported her missing in Cancun and checked hospitals. Then he went home. We have no evidence that she did NOT arrive in Cancun. I'm not suggesting that she did arrive, but just illustrating the difficulty of verifying anything to do with this case.

It's been like pulling teeth to get accurate and consistent info from him about any aspect of this case. His posts on FB raise questions which he barely answers in a few words. Personally, I question the value of a timeline or case map under these circumstances. We have no independently verified information, except a case number from his report to Cancun or Quintana Roo LE (which is still based only on his word).
JMO, MOO, etc.

ETA: Welcome to the thread! :seeya:

I would also like to add that his so called private investigator supposedly found every needle in a Oaxaca haystack. Then poof.

Jr stopped funding him and didn't even know the drivers Facebook existed. Hmmmmm.

Now 10,000 people missing in Mexico. But the p.i finds a notebook with her name written in it?

Wow.

 

[jellybean96]

Does Jenny's green card acceptance in the US hinge on her marital staus with JR?

Using a marriage is typically the fastest way to get a green card.

 

[msphilosopher]

I don't recall whether anyone made a case map or timeline. All we know about JR's actions following Jenny's disappearance (not showing up in Cancun) comes from JR in various MSM stories and the FB page. IIRC he says that when she didn't show up at the airport, he waited in his hotel room for several days. Then he says he reported her missing in Cancun and checked hospitals. Then he went home. We have no evidence that she did NOT arrive in Cancun. I'm not suggesting that she did arrive, but just illustrating the difficulty of verifying anything to do with this case.

It's been like pulling teeth to get accurate and consistent info from him about any aspect of this case. His posts on FB raise questions which he barely answers in a few words. Personally, I question the value of a timeline or case map under these circumstances. We have no independently verified information, except a case number from his report to Cancun or Quintana Roo LE (which is still based only on his word).
JMO, MOO, etc.

ETA: Welcome to the thread! :seeya:

Wow not so much as to help with the investigation or put up missing poster flyers??

This is his WIFE, who was traveling alone and was a small little lady???

 

[DexterMorgan]

Wow not so much as to help with the investigation or put up missing poster flyers??

This is his WIFE, who was traveling alone and was a small little lady???

Lol. I wonder if JR ever allowed her to travel 3 days alone in the states before seeming nonchalant about her spending solo months while trying to escape the cartels during her hitchhiking expedition that she advertised on social media since day 1.

So why didn't she face fears in Chicago before going to another country that spoke another language to face fears?

 

[msphilosopher]

Lol. I wonder if JR ever allowed her to travel 3 days alone in the states before seeming nonchalant about her spending solo months while trying to escape the cartels during her hitchhiking expedition that she advertised on social media since day 1.

So why didn't she face fears in Chicago before going to another country that spoke another language to face fears?

New to the thread. Thanks for the welcome Lilibet!

BBM -- It was common knowledge that she was "facing fears"?

That seems odd.

 

[GigTu]

It's something she wrote about in one of her online journals.

 

[slowpoke]

Great discussion, everyone!

While I do get the vibe of something nonstandard regarding her marriage with JR (green card marriage or separated, perhaps), I did find an post from 3-5-16 where she does mention JR in a friendly fashion: "Was very excited to tell Jon about it, so he could own one for unlimited chips. Bummer!" http://m.weibo.cn/status/3950039736856468

So, if (at least, at the start of her Mexico trip) her attitude towards JR was friendly, why run off and disappear herself from him? Yes, we all know cases where we we wonder why the spouse would not simply go through the normal channels and get a divorce instead of...disappearing..or murdering, whichever the case may be.

But I feel like Jenny, who seemed feisty and spoke of facing fear, would have been up to the task of facing JR directly if she wanted to leave him.
JMO

 

[Spartygirl]

New to the thread. Thanks for the welcome Lilibet!

WELCOME ! THIS case is really frustrating due to the wishy-washy ways of JR but aside from that, as far as we know, she is still missing, voluntary or not, so we keep working and sleuthing LOL

 

[Lilibet]

Great discussion, everyone!

While I do get the vibe of something nonstandard regarding her marriage with JR (green card marriage or separated, perhaps), I did find an post from 3-5-16 where she does mention JR in a friendly fashion: "Was very excited to tell Jon about it, so he could own one for unlimited chips. Bummer!" http://m.weibo.cn/status/3950039736856468

So, if (at least, at the start of her Mexico trip) her attitude towards JR was friendly, why run off and disappear herself from him? Yes, we all know cases where we we wonder why the spouse would not simply go through the normal channels and get a divorce instead of...disappearing..or murdering, whichever the case may be.

But I feel like Jenny, who seemed feisty and spoke of facing fear, would have been up to the task of facing JR directly if she wanted to leave him.
JMO

BBM

She sent him an email after an issue came up in late January (he was angry that she wasn't wearing her seatbelt in a car accident), rather than talking to him directly. So I'm inclined to think she might not have been up to facing him directly if she wanted out. That information is somewhere on this thread.
JMO

 

[rosesfromangels]

BBM

She sent him an email after an issue came up in late January (he was angry that she wasn't wearing her seatbelt in a car accident), rather than talking to him directly. So I'm inclined to think she might not have been up to facing him directly if she wanted out. That information is somewhere on this thread.
JMO

Especially if he was an authoritarian "daddy" figure to her. Given the age difference, that's not much of a stretch.

 

[slowpoke]

BBM

She sent him an email after an issue came up in late January (he was angry that she wasn't wearing her seatbelt in a car accident), rather than talking to him directly. So I'm inclined to think she might not have been up to facing him directly if she wanted out. That information is somewhere on this thread.
JMO

Good point, Lilibet. I remember discussing those posts of Jenny and wondering if they were living apart for her to email JR, and then you suggesting that maybe emailing her feelings was a way to put down her thoughts and feelings. Found it, it was back in thread #1.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...axaca-11-April-2016-1&p=12641050#post12641050

Just one thing. While it is probably correct that Jenny not wearing her seatbelt is what the conflict was about, I think it is still an assumption.
On 1-18 she wrote:
"2. I am grateful I am safe. Tonight happened car accident while I weren't wear seat belt." And she wrote: "Kindness : Be nice and calm to Jon even he made made bad decision"
http://card.weibo.com/article/h5/s#...param=&from=1110006030&wm=0&ip=104.32.198.149

Then the next day 1-19 she wrote:
"3) I chosen to be quiet when I was emotional."
And also:
"Kindness: Wrote a relatively rational email to Jon to explain why I was not responsive and only if in what condition we could have a conversation."
http://card.weibo.com/article/h5/s#...param=&from=1110006030&wm=0&ip=104.32.198.149

On these posts of hers, gratitude journaling type of postings, she lists things for the day but they are not necessarily related.

 

[Lilibet]

Has Jenny's family ever been heard from?

PS - Really good question GigTu

Her family traveled to Mexico in early June IIRC and made the rounds of LE in several states in addition to Oaxaca with the help of the Chinese embassy. This was discovered in a news release from the embassy. It was reported that LE told them that Jenny had been seen backpacking in southern Mexico in late May. JR never mentioned them until asked and dismissed that information. I think by that time he was focused on the Corona drivers. His family has not appealed directly in the media AKAIK.

Wow not so much as to help with the investigation or put up missing poster flyers??

This is his WIFE, who was traveling alone and was a small little lady???

Yes, he has helped. After he returned to Seattle from Cancun, he got the story in the news, started a fundraising site (for ransom) and a FB page. He returned to Mexico within a few weeks. He has made several trips (at least five) to meet with LE, his Mexican PI, his prominent attorney and people from Corona (Grupo Modelo), and has been interviewed by Mexican MSM, including radio. Many people on his FB page have helped. One wrote an article. Others helped organize twitter campaigns to pressure Corona and Kugar. He keeps thinking he's making progress, but hits a brick wall with everyone. Given the corruption in Mexican LE and the power of the two corporations that the suspected driver works with, the brick wall is probably real.

But we are stymied by JR's vague way of communicating and the fact that he is the source for all information. It appears that either she was harmed by the suspected truck driver, sold into sex slavery or has left JR and is alive and well somewhere, perhaps even back in China.

 

[msphilosopher]

How do we know that Jenny didn't confront him face-to-face about wanting to leave him?

From experience, when you travel things become more clear in your life.... what you want, what you don't want... your mind is clearest at this time because you're not in your daily routine and don't get bogged down by the trivial things. The absence of him could have spoken to her.... It's not an uncommon realization when people travel without their significant other.

And she disappears when she's suppose to meet up with him?

 

[rosesfromangels]

How do we know that Jenny didn't confront him face-to-face about wanting to leave him?

From experience, when you travel things become more clear in your life.... what you want, what you don't want... your mind is clearest at this time because you're not in your daily routine and don't get bogged down by the trivial things. The absence of him could have spoken to her.... It's not an uncommon realization when people travel without their significant other.

And she disappears when she's suppose to meet up with him?

You are all making very good points. We just don't know what happened between Jenny and JR, but it most certainly is unusual for a spouse to backpack alone through a dangerous countryside. Further, she didn't provide her updated phone number; that says it all to me.

Every couple operates differently, and we have no idea what their partnership agreement was. Frankly, that's none of my business. This being said, it does appear Jenny was severing that partnership. At least that is what her behavior indicated.
As I stated upthread, I think there is a strong chance she is already back home in Wenzhou. At least lets hope so vs. the alternative.

 

[GigTu]

Great discussion, everyone!

While I do get the vibe of something nonstandard regarding her marriage with JR (green card marriage or separated, perhaps), I did find an post from 3-5-16 where she does mention JR in a friendly fashion: "Was very excited to tell Jon about it, so he could own one for unlimited chips. Bummer!" http://m.weibo.cn/status/3950039736856468

So, if (at least, at the start of her Mexico trip) her attitude towards JR was friendly, why run off and disappear herself from him? Yes, we all know cases where we we wonder why the spouse would not simply go through the normal channels and get a divorce instead of...disappearing..or murdering, whichever the case may be.

But I feel like Jenny, who seemed feisty and spoke of facing fear, would have been up to the task of facing JR directly if she wanted to leave him.
JMO

Between you and me (and everyone else), I don't think she ran off. But just in case...