MI - Boy Sexually Assaulted by Two Men, Detroit

  • #41
There are several ways to sexually assault/sexually abuse someone and not leave any physical evidence.

I don't know what to believe about this poor kid.. but no matter what he needs help :(

That might be true of sexual assault, but if rape is alleged-I think if two men actually raped a boy there would be some signs of it.
 
  • #42
That might be true of sexual assault, but if rape is alleged-I think if two men actually raped a boy there would be some signs of it.

true unless it was rape with an object that didn't leave any kind of fibers etc...

I truly don't know what to think
 
  • #43
Medical records - particularly those of minors - are strictly confidential. Whether the physician is a named or un-named source, said doctor has no right to publically discuss a 13-year-old's medical condition: This is clearly in violation of HIPAA laws. We might not know the identity of this youngster, but his family, friends, neighbors, schoolmates and staff know who he is and should not be privy to the sensitive details of the brutal attack. :moo:
 
  • #44
When a rape kit is done, I presume a doctor would have to share results with the police. If doctor couldn't share results with police, what exactly would be the point of doing rape kits to begin with?
 
  • #45
Obviously the information would be given to LE. That does not give the doctor or a reporter the right to make a public declaration of the alleged results of said medical examination. If the victim were my child, I would be :furious: over the release of confidential information. :moo:
 
  • #46
Obviously the information would be given to LE. That does not give the doctor or a reporter the right to make a public declaration of the alleged results of said medical examination. If the victim were my child, I would be :furious: over the release of confidential information. :moo:

Bette is correct. The ER and the DR has absolutely no right what so ever to share this privy information with the press. This is something that would be given to LE but ONLY AFTER a confidentiality statement is released by the guardian in this case. Police cannot seize your medical files without a sign off or a warrant. A sign off is quicker (the patient if over 18 can sign a paper wavering all rights and allowing police to speak to/ look at - all files pertained to ONLY the dr or hospital that is listed in the discovery). In other words, say you were treated at St. Mary's most of your life, however you were victimized and treated at St. Elizabeth's. You want your medical file turned over to the police to further prosecute the perp, the police will submit to you a one page document that the patient fills in the hospital/DR that this is allowed at, and after that you sign stating you understand this disclosure. They cannot look at all your medical files, just the ones you've signed off for (that specific dr or clinic) just an FYI if anyone is curious as to how that works.The DEA always works this way.

The DR's, nurses and medical staff (right down to receptionist) are never allowed to speak to the press or anyone related to the patient unless the patient is under the age of 18 or there is a state or legal assigned guardian (such as power of attorney) regarding a patient's treatment! Not only does this break HIPPA laws but this breaks federal laws.

Now, back to how someone can tell if a child or person(s) has been penetrated. This is a touchy subject that I think everyone, male or female, should be made aware of. A lot of women who have been raped, who later have a rape kit done may have min. to zero bruising in the vaginal area or tears. This is because the human response is to produce lubrication THAT DOES NOT MEAN THE VICTIM WAS "TURNED ON". It's just a natural response. Just the same as men who've been raped that may ejaculate or have an erection. Again, it's a body response and it guilts many people into not prosecuting. Disgusting defense attorneys for the perps will at times bring this up, shaming the victim.

When it comes to small children, there will often times be substantial bruising, tearing of not only the inner thighs (often wrists or neck while being held down, in infants there's generally head trauma but I will not put that horror of why that is in here. I know some rather not know). Also, with both males and females, if there is penetration both the anus and (if female) the vagina is checked for tearing and bruising. Anal penetration regardless of it being raped or consensual will be noticeable due to the dilation of the rectum. It WILL be obvious, unless, in some cases it was an object the size of a small finger. Not to be graphic but we are talking medical terms. However, anal penetration is painful and when it's rape the struggle tends to leave more bruising, tearing than vaginal on SOME. Given that this boy is reported to be bleeding (?), wrists bound and disoriented along with pants missing, he was victimized, to what extent we won't know (and shouldn't be privy too as he's a minor and a victim).

I lived in Chicago and in a rather bad area for a number of years while attending NorthWestern University, (I couldn't afford to live near the campus and I was closer to downtown where I worked at the hospital); anyway, the number of gang retaliations that were rape, or "Scare" rape (which means the perp(s) would often make the person think they are about to be raped but often roughed up and scared to death), were astronomical. Often it wasn't males but it did happen and we did see it. Rape kits would provide accurate information if a person was penetrated anally more so than vaginally (although again, that depends on age and bodily functions - such as any lube used even on condoms). If this child had been raped with objects, it would still show bruising and typically far more tears because condoms are rarely used on objects.

For a lot of information to those curious about rape kits, rape victim/survivor information; www.rainn.org is a terrific resource everyone should be aware of.

What this supposed DR has released to the public is an absolute smack in the face of HIPPA laws and victims rights. I hope his or her license is revoked and they are not ever in triage again, where many victims are brought in. it's scary enough to seek help or treatment, more so if there is retaliation threatened or it was part of, imagine that being in the paper. Sorry for the long rant, hope this makes some sense and provides a little of insight.
 
  • #47
Obviously the information would be given to LE. That does not give the doctor or a reporter the right to make a public declaration of the alleged results of said medical examination. If the victim were my child, I would be :furious: over the release of confidential information. :moo:

Doctor DID NOT make it public. Press attributes this information to a police source, not the doctor. So please do not accuse the doctor of something he or she did not do.
 
  • #48
Doctor DID NOT make it public. Press attributes this information to a police source, not the doctor. So please do not falsely accuse the doctor.

The police reported this (sorry, I go off of comments here in response and I never or rarely read MSM reports)? Again, the police are under the same guidelines to victims rights regarding rape among other things.

The only difference concerning this, I believe *I'm not in law enforcement, I am in the medical field that does work with law enforcement to some degree*, they the police can state someone was not raped if a charge of false informing has been substantiated because that person having claimed "rape" will then be charged with a crime.

I now need to read the articles. I do hope my little novel up there will help people understand their rights as a patient and god forbid if you are ever a victim or under investigation. I simply wanted to give concise information on what our rights are and how one may be presented with a sign off for investigation into their medical files. This is also vital to anyone who has someone missing, they don't often know that they must sign a separate piece of paper stating each individual dr, hospital or clinic with dates (forgot to mention that) in order to get all of the information to the police or FBI without waiting for a warrant to be issued.
 
  • #49
Interesting. There would absolutely be evidence if tearing, blood,etc with rape. Rape anally often can cause more damage than vaginally due to epithelial differences, sphincters, etc. (please forgive me for the sensitive nature. This is medically true and relavant and discussed in rape cases.) So yes, there would be evidence. I wonder what is really going on here. How would a child know to fake something like this? I never want to not believe a child. I hope they get to the bottom if it.

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  • #50
the number of gang retaliations that were rape, or "Scare" rape (which means the perp(s) would often make the person think they are about to be raped but often roughed up and scared to death), were astronomical.

the police can state someone was not raped if a charge of false informing has been substantiated

This.

I've heard of "scare rapes" before and I think that is what we are dealing with here. I hate to ever doubt a victim. . .but I think this is what happened in this case. It's still horrible!

MOO
 
  • #51
Bette is correct. The ER and the DR has absolutely no right what so ever to share this privy information with the press. This is something that would be given to LE but ONLY AFTER a confidentiality statement is released by the guardian in this case. Police cannot seize your medical files without a sign off or a warrant. A sign off is quicker (the patient if over 18 can sign a paper wavering all rights and allowing police to speak to/ look at - all files pertained to ONLY the dr or hospital that is listed in the discovery). In other words, say you were treated at St. Mary's most of your life, however you were victimized and treated at St. Elizabeth's. You want your medical file turned over to the police to further prosecute the perp, the police will submit to you a one page document that the patient fills in the hospital/DR that this is allowed at, and after that you sign stating you understand this disclosure. They cannot look at all your medical files, just the ones you've signed off for (that specific dr or clinic) just an FYI if anyone is curious as to how that works.The DEA always works this way.

The DR's, nurses and medical staff (right down to receptionist) are never allowed to speak to the press or anyone related to the patient unless the patient is under the age of 18 or there is a state or legal assigned guardian (such as power of attorney) regarding a patient's treatment! Not only does this break HIPPA laws but this breaks federal laws.

Now, back to how someone can tell if a child or person(s) has been penetrated. This is a touchy subject that I think everyone, male or female, should be made aware of. A lot of women who have been raped, who later have a rape kit done may have min. to zero bruising in the vaginal area or tears. This is because the human response is to produce lubrication THAT DOES NOT MEAN THE VICTIM WAS "TURNED ON". It's just a natural response. Just the same as men who've been raped that may ejaculate or have an erection. Again, it's a body response and it guilts many people into not prosecuting. Disgusting defense attorneys for the perps will at times bring this up, shaming the victim.

When it comes to small children, there will often times be substantial bruising, tearing of not only the inner thighs (often wrists or neck while being held down, in infants there's generally head trauma but I will not put that horror of why that is in here. I know some rather not know). Also, with both males and females, if there is penetration both the anus and (if female) the vagina is checked for tearing and bruising. Anal penetration regardless of it being raped or consensual will be noticeable due to the dilation of the rectum. It WILL be obvious, unless, in some cases it was an object the size of a small finger. Not to be graphic but we are talking medical terms. However, anal penetration is painful and when it's rape the struggle tends to leave more bruising, tearing than vaginal on SOME. Given that this boy is reported to be bleeding (?), wrists bound and disoriented along with pants missing, he was victimized, to what extent we won't know (and shouldn't be privy too as he's a minor and a victim).

I lived in Chicago and in a rather bad area for a number of years while attending NorthWestern University, (I couldn't afford to live near the campus and I was closer to downtown where I worked at the hospital); anyway, the number of gang retaliations that were rape, or "Scare" rape (which means the perp(s) would often make the person think they are about to be raped but often roughed up and scared to death), were astronomical. Often it wasn't males but it did happen and we did see it. Rape kits would provide accurate information if a person was penetrated anally more so than vaginally (although again, that depends on age and bodily functions - such as any lube used even on condoms). If this child had been raped with objects, it would still show bruising and typically far more tears because condoms are rarely used on objects.

For a lot of information to those curious about rape kits, rape victim/survivor information; www.rainn.org is a terrific resource everyone should be aware of.

What this supposed DR has released to the public is an absolute smack in the face of HIPPA laws and victims rights. I hope his or her license is revoked and they are not ever in triage again, where many victims are brought in. it's scary enough to seek help or treatment, more so if there is retaliation threatened or it was part of, imagine that being in the paper. Sorry for the long rant, hope this makes some sense and provides a little of insight.

I respectfully disagree. (And in fact, I don't know enough that's been publicly released to be able to make a judgement on this).

I think it's the public's absolute right to know, ASAP, whether a child in their community was snatched out of an elementary school in broad daylight on a school day and dragged off to a remote location and beaten and raped.

We have no right to know the child's identity, but they do have the right to know if this story that was widely published is true or not - certainly until any perps are caught and they can rest easier.
 
  • #52
I respectfully disagree. (And in fact, I don't know enough that's been publicly released to be able to make a judgement on this).

I think it's the public's absolute right to know, ASAP, whether a child in their community was snatched out of an elementary school in broad daylight on a school day and dragged off to a remote location and beaten and raped.

We have no right to know the child's identity, but they do have the right to know if this story that was widely published is true or not - certainly until any perps are caught and they can rest easier.

I believe we agree on the same issues, I never once stated the public doesn't have the right to know how to protect their children. Do not assume I would be that disgusting.
 
  • #53
Well, I believe that the public has a right to know whether this child has been raped or not, and it's actually LE's JOB to let the public know that, although his identity should be held tightly secret. (Which is technically impossible, everyone at that school knows who he is).

If you believe that too, I guess I misunderstand your entire post.

But anyway, hope that the truth will eventually come out.
 
  • #54
ITA. Locking the doors from outside creates a fire hazard.


Well then some of our local schools have created a fire hazard. There was an incidence where a student opened a locked door (from the outside) to a suspended student that had a gun. So I'm assuming the doors of the school were locked on the outside but not on the inside. ???
 
  • #55
Any further info about this case?

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  • #56
I know not many will agree with me here but when they catch these two they should cut their member off and leave them on the side of the road to walk for help :furious:

I whole~heartedly agree!
These type of stories make me physically ill!
God bless that child!
 

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