GUILTY MI - Carnel Chamberlain, 4, Mount Pleasant, 21 June 2012 #2

[Cubby]

JC did not keep it secret.

“The mother has been fully cooperative in this developing investigation,” said Tribal spokesman Frank Cloutier in a statement released Saturday morning.

http://www.themorningsun.com/articl...arance-now-called-suspicious--fbi-joins-probe

The charges brought forth against AB are a result of information the cooperating mother came forward with to the authorities.

 

[Woodland]

Have not seen a report where LE states JC was a victim of abuse by AB. Have not seen a report where JC claims to have been a victim of abuse by AB and pretty sure that has been covered a couple of times now.

 

[JusticeforCarnel]

BBM

And I fear that other mothers will see their children suffering at the hands of their abusers, and will NOT fear keeping it a secret, just like JC did. If the authorities do not see it as a problem, then why should they?

Amen. Good post

 

[Woodland]

JC kept the abuse secret until after her son was missing and then found deceased. That's where some posters are finding culpability.

 

[Jacie Estes]

JC did not keep it secret.

“The mother has been fully cooperative in this developing investigation,” said Tribal spokesman Frank Cloutier in a statement released Saturday morning.

http://www.themorningsun.com/articl...arance-now-called-suspicious--fbi-joins-probe

The charges brought forth against AB are a result of information the cooperating mother came forward with to the authorities.

An online petition calling for the arrest of Jaimee Chamberlain is not likely to have an effect on law enforcement or result in her incarceration.

Police and prosecutors deal strictly with facts and evidence, and arrests only come with sufficient evidence, according to Kathy Swedlow, a professor of law at Cooley Law School in Lansing.
Public pressure is not something taken into consideration by prosecutors, who are government figures who deal with facts and evidence, Swedlow said.

http://www.themorningsun.com/articl...-likely-sway-law-enforcement&pager=full_story

 

[Knox]

This is the only reference I have seen in the media to Jaimee being afraid of Anthony Bennett.

Tammy Chamberlain said her sister Jaimee was too scared to tell police of the abuse.
http://www.mlive.com/news/bay-city/index.ssf/2012/07/anthony_bennett_man_charged_wi_1.html

I think the quote in Jacie's story linked above is speaking only to the online petition to arrest Jaimee. Silly to think something like that could be meaningful in this case, it's more of a public opinion kind of thing?
LE does not have enough evidence to charge Anthony Bennett with murder at this point, let alone charge Jaimee with endangerment or another similar offense. This case is going to be slow to evolve and I'm willing to sit back and wait for the details to come out.

Maybe we will learn more Monday, at a minimum I think we will get an idea of how AB's Attorney plans to defend the assault charge.

 

[Cubby]

IF what has been stated about Carnel living with his grandmother until shortly before his murder is true, I suspect AB went from zero to sixty so quickly, JC didn't have time to recognize the danger his criminal history and various diagnosed mental disorders were to her son.

I suspect LE is fully aware AB went from zero to sixty so quickly, based on his priors, they believe AB is solely responsible and that was part of the reason for their decision NOT to charge JC.

The authorities have stated mom is cooperating fully. (link up thread)
The authorities have given NO indication that they plan on charging mom.
The authorities have given NO indication they believe more than one person is responsible for the abuse and death of Carnel Chamberlain.

 

[HeinekenMan]

I knew, and my mother knew, from the time I was seven that my father might kill all of us one night in a violent rage. It's ridiculous that some people think that would have made her culpable just because she never told anyone of her fear.

 

[katydid23]

JC did not keep it secret.

“The mother has been fully cooperative in this developing investigation,” said Tribal spokesman Frank Cloutier in a statement released Saturday morning.

http://www.themorningsun.com/articl...arance-now-called-suspicious--fbi-joins-probe

The charges brought forth against AB are a result of information the cooperating mother came forward with to the authorities.

She kept it a secret until he went missing. And by then it was too late.

 

[katydid23]

I knew, and my mother knew, from the time I was seven that my father might kill all of us one night in a violent rage. It's ridiculous that some people think that would have made her culpable just because she never told anyone of her fear.

But I don't think JC's situation was quite the same as the one you described.


Did your mom ever say on National TV that she was helping your father ' TRAIN YOU' to become a man, by him punching you?


JC took ownership of the corporal punishment and even proudly discussed it. I doubt that your mother did that ever.

 

[FrayedKnot]

BBM

And I fear that other mothers will see their children suffering at the hands of their abusers, and will NOT fear keeping it a secret, just like JC did. If the authorities do not see it as a problem, then why should they?

Amen, sistah.
I pray that JC never EVER gives birth again.

She is a cautionary tale of selfishness, immaturity and just plain evil. I am not buying the "poor me" defense at ALL.

What about Carnel? He is the ONLY victim here. ONLY!!!

IMHO. . I am so brokenhearted by awful mothers like JC

 

[Jacie Estes]

IIRC, the authorities have stated JC is a victim of abuse at the hands of b abuse oth AB and Carnel's father.

I choose to view JC as a victim, per info from the authorities. She has not been charged with a crime. I'm sure if the authorities felt JC's actions met the bar of criminal behavior, they would have charged her. They chose not to.

What I fear, is that other victims suffering will see this and will fear reporting their abuser, if the court of public opinion see's them as responsible for their abuse. Sad, but that is how I see it.

Continues prayers for the TRUTH and NOTHING but the truth in Carnels case.

Here is a link to abuse by AB.

http://www.themorningsun.com/articl...15/anthony-bennett-denied-bail-in-carnel-case

Wininger said Jaimee Chamberlain “has described assaults at the hands of Anthony Chamberlain.” Winginger said a Saginaw Tribal Police Report quoted a witness as seeing Bennett assault Jaimee Chamberlain and threatening to kill her if she left him

And before comments are made about Jaimee recanting; we have a thread here on WS where a woman has burn marks on her body yet is stating that her husband didn't do them. He is in jail and so is AB.

 

[Jacie Estes]

I knew, and my mother knew, from the time I was seven that my father might kill all of us one night in a violent rage. It's ridiculous that some people think that would have made her culpable just because she never told anyone of her fear.

HM, I am sorry you had to go through that and am very glad you are safe and able to talk about it now. :hug:

 

[FrayedKnot]

for emphasis

Bumping for clarity regarding how WS views Jaimee Chamberlain. Even the family spokesman voiced their regret that it was unfortunate that Jaimee did not take action.

It is what it is, unfortunately. Just because someone is not yet charged with a crime does not mean it didn't happen. (e.g., neglect, endangerment) That is a choice the State Prosecutor makes. Often crimes happen that go uncharged.

Word. Thanks weren't enough.

 

[Cubby]

But I don't think JC's situation was quite the same as the one you described.


Did your mom ever say on National TV that she was helping your father ' TRAIN YOU' to become a man, by him punching you?


JC took ownership of the corporal punishment and even proudly discussed it. I doubt that your mother did that ever.

Respectfully. What JC stated on television may very well indicate in court the charges of abuse with regards to what she witnessed are unfounded- as far as meeting the criminal bar. Her TV statements may very well benefit the defense. I do not believe the reported abuse is going to hold up in court well. I could be wrong, but I have not seen enough info to indicate the prosecution has a strong case.


I honestly think AB's diagnosed mood disorders will play a big role in his actions and how he went from, what I believe, is zero to sixty abusing and murdering Carnel outside of the presense of his mother.

 

[Jacie Estes]

This is the only reference I have seen in the media to Jaimee being afraid of Anthony Bennett.



I think the quote in Jacie's story linked above is speaking only to the online petition to arrest Jaimee. Silly to think something like that could be meaningful in this case, it's more of a public opinion kind of thing?
LE does not have enough evidence to charge Anthony Bennett with murder at this point, let alone charge Jaimee with endangerment or another similar offense. This case is going to be slow to evolve and I'm willing to sit back and wait for the details to come out.

Maybe we will learn more Monday, at a minimum I think we will get an idea of how AB's Attorney plans to defend the assault charge.

Actually, my post was in reference to the police response to the online petition. Of course the petition has little bearing on what the police will do.

 

[FrayedKnot]

Using this post as a springboard. I'm sure this may be an unpopular thought or opinion, but I need to express it.

DISCLOSURE: My having and expressing a difference of opinion other than some of those expressed in this thread does not equate to my giving anyone a free pass with regards to responsibility so to speak. I will not respond to posts with accusations of giving anyone a free pass because my opinion differs than some expressed.

I'm on the fence with regards to the allegations of abuse for which AB has been charged. People have expressed JC watched AB brutally beat her son and did nothing. I simply do not believe the beatings for which he was charged were as brutal as say, those Ethan Stacy endured before his death. I have not seen evidence to indicate the alleged beatings were of such that Carnel needed medical treatment. I simply need more evidence at this point to make the determination if prior beatings rose to the level of criminal charges, or if they are being presented as such because they are unable to charge anyone with Carnels murder.

If this is a case of he said/she said with regards to the abuse, this will be a no win situation for the prosecution.

Still waiting for credible verified info, that is not local gossip or rumor.

Praying for truth to come out for this precious child.

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So how serious of a beating would one have to witness their baby being on the business end of for said witness to be culpable or complicit?

Is it only if blood seeps from the child's ear? Rectum? If the child slips into a coma or can no longer walk because of broken bones?

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[katydid23]

Respectfully. What JC stated on television may very well indicate in court the charges of abuse with regards to what she witnessed are unfounded- as far as meeting the criminal bar. Her TV statements may very well benefit the defense. I do not believe the reported abuse is going to hold up in court well. I could be wrong, but I have not seen enough info to indicate the prosecution has a strong case.


I honestly think AB's diagnosed mood disorders will play a big role in his actions and how he went from, what I believe, is zero to sixty abusing and murdering Carnel outside of the presense of his mother.

I am worried about the prosecutions case as well. I am worried that they are going to point the finger at JC and try to raise a reasonable doubt with the jury.

 

[Jacie Estes]

Respectfully. What JC stated on television may very well indicate in court the charges of abuse with regards to what she witnessed are unfounded- as far as meeting the criminal bar. Her TV statements may very well benefit the defense. I do not believe the reported abuse is going to hold up in court well. I could be wrong, but I have not seen enough info to indicate the prosecution has a strong case.


I honestly think AB's diagnosed mood disorders will play a big role in his actions and how he went from, what I believe, is zero to sixty abusing and murdering Carnel outside of the presense of his mother.

His priors will factor in, as well. I would not be surprised to hear, if he skates on this, that he is dis-enrolled from the tribe.

 

[Cubby]

I am worried about the prosecutions case as well. I am worried that they are going to point the finger at JC and try to raise a reasonable doubt with the jury.

I'm certain they will point the finger at JC. AB's medical conditions have me very concerned. Mood disorder, and some of the others lead me to believe this guy was a ticking time bomb who could potentially explode faster than detonated dynamite.

I'm honestly wondering why this guy wasn't locked up in some form or capacity as a danger to society.

Time will tell once the evidence is presented in court and via the media.

ETA: I think AB was so explosive as a result of his diagnosed medical conditions, he could have exploded into a venomous rage at a complete stranger over a very small infraction. I'm interested in hearing from AB's doctors, but we won't because of HIPAA- unless some of it makes it into trial.