GUILTY MI - Chelsea Bruck, 22, Frenchtown Twp, 26 Oct 2014 #1

[hockeymom4]

hockeymom, see my "timeline" about four posts before yours. It may help slightly.

Anything is possible. This is one case where we are grasping at any possibility. As far as I know, the seller is the only one who reported anything about the sketch and he is also the last one to see her. Sketch could be a ruse, I suppose. Nothing is beyond consideration.

Your post is what caused me to ask those questions, as it seems the seller was the last one to see her and the only one to see the sketch guy. If that is the case, that is why I was asking a VI/family, if they can answer, has he been cleared? Or anything more they can share about him? i am curious why so much weight is put into what he said when he is the last one to see her? Or is it not?

 

[Spellbound]

More good questions, hockeymom. Glad we are all still wearing our thinking caps, too. Something is going to trigger memories or another path to follow.

 

[Criminal Justice mom]

Does anyone know if the guy selling merchandise, who gave the description for the sketch has been cleared? I wonder if he had also sold items at other shows for this band? Since we know Chelsea followed them and attended numerous shows of theirs, I wonder if he could have seen her before and had some kind of interest in her??
Just my thoughts, therories and opinions! !

 

[Kilen]

Happy Thanksgiving Everyone!!!

I really can not answer questions about the vendor guy mostly because his identity is not publicly known. The police seem to trust him and I know that he was one of the few people there at that hour of the night not stoned/drunk. While the POI has not been identified yet that doesn't mean people have not been questioned in connection to it. ETA: I just looked into it a little deeper, talked to the family and I trust him/the family trusts him/LE trusts him.

Honestly I think the sketch of the POI is so generic that maybe he doesn't really stand out in people's memories, I talked to one of my friends that works security at a lot at different concerts etc. random quiet white guy would not really be remembered the next day troublemakers/girls barely keeping their clothes on those would stick out more in their mind especially when there were at least a few fights that got broke up at the concert security was busy, would they notice someone who wasn't causing trouble?

 

[goldenbear]

Over the weekend those that were posting found a suspect known to LE and the search group and we compared his facebook pictures to the drawing.1. the hair on top of his head matched,2.the hair on the side of his head matched,3 the hair on his lip matched,4 he was a strong fan of the groups. His name was found (probably deleted now) and submitted to LE. IMO his cars should be tested for Chelsea DNA. I do not think any more will be found out by talking to people.

 

[Kilen]

That person has an alibi, he supposedly did not attend the concert (if anyone has proof otherwise please let LE know).

 

[rosesfromangels]

The POI sketch looks like an Asian vs. White guy

 

[ARealist]

If it's the same name that's popped up here and on Facebook, then he's the one I messaged the police about and suggested they show the descriptor a photo lineup with him in it,they said it's already been investigated. Whatever that means.

That person has an alibi, he supposedly did not attend the concert (if anyone has proof otherwise please let LE know).

 

[ARealist]

Many police sketches are not exactly accurate, as if the actual person in the sketch was sitting in front of the artist. they can be very general based on features given, so don't always expect the person in the sketch to look exactly like it.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Many police sketches are not exactly accurate, as if the actual person in the sketch was sitting in front of the artist. they can be very general based on features given, so don't always expect the person in the sketch to look exactly like it.

Agreed. I've read that sketch artists don't necessarily interpret descriptions exactly the same way. Given the same description of the POI, another LE artist might have rendered a much different sketch.

 

[goldenbear]

For those that watched the fugitive movie the 1 armed man that helped kill the fugitive wife had 28 witnesses to say he was somewhere else. I would like to see this gentleman have a lie detector test and his cars tested for DNA

 

[trigger]

Many police sketches are not exactly accurate, as if the actual person in the sketch was sitting in front of the artist. they can be very general based on features given, so don't always expect the person in the sketch to look exactly like it.

I watch Lt Joe Kenda TV show on Discovery channel last week, he said
composite pictures are very often more helpful eliminating people then they are including things.

 

[trigger]

Does anyone know if the guy selling merchandise, who gave the description for the sketch has been cleared? I wonder if he had also sold items at other shows for this band? Since we know Chelsea followed them and attended numerous shows of theirs, I wonder if he could have seen her before and had some kind of interest in her??
Just my thoughts, therories and opinions! !

I read that the witness saw her with this guy walking to the parking lot

http://www.wxyz.com/news/search-con...alloween-party-in-rural-area-of-monroe-county

And also read witness saw her talking to this guy at the bonfire.


Malone said Bruck was last seen by a vendor at the party who, Malone pointed out, was one of the few who was not stoned or drunk at the party and could clearly remember seeing her. Malone said she was talking to someone near a bonfire between 3:00 and 3:15 a.m. This witness is the one who gave police the description of the man they say was talking to her.
http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/story/27287557/monroe-county-sheriff-

So maybe there are two witnesses then???

 

[dmc43613]

For those that watched the fugitive movie the 1 armed man that helped kill the fugitive wife had 28 witnesses to say he was somewhere else. I would like to see this gentleman have a lie detector test and his cars tested for DNA

I'm not sure, but couldn't cell phone records substantiate an alibi?

 

[Kilen]

Remember this is just a potential person of interest we are talking about, it may be him or may not be him he does look like the sketch but the sketch is kind of generic imo. He has an alibi, I think LE would need probable cause/new info to look at him again and again he is only a potential person of interest not a suspect.

 

[dmc43613]

Understood, and point taken. Thank you and hope there is something or someone to shed some light on this very sad situation.
Prayers....

 

[ARealist]

The Police should be able to sense if the merchandise person is credible and/or suspect.
If he is, then a photo lineup with the "POI" included and a positive ID by the merchandise person would give more than enough reason to re interview him. If they haven't done any of this than they are not following the obvious investigative process. I will give them the benefit of a doubt that they are capable of this, although I have some doubts which I will mention below. If the Police have already gone through these steps and the merchandiser could not ID the person I believe most of us are referring to, then they must either exclude him or find other connections, whatever they feel they are willing and able to do based on their belief of his involvement and importance to the case,i.e. polygraph etc..
As far as the sketch goes, there seems to be enough recognizable features (hair style,type of glasses) to make it more than just generic, I believe.
Also, after hearing the Sheriff's claim that most people at the party were drunk or high (paraphrase) it immediately caused me to question his judgement.
I admittedly have been drunk at crowded events and saw violent things happen, many years ago, but I would have had no difficulty describing people and actions at that time, well enough to be able to offer Police important enough information to lead them in the right direction. I doubt everyone there, even if all were drunk or high, which they wouldn't have ALL been, were all at the same level of intoxication, (even if so, individual perception and retention, is never equal) such that they weren't able to be reliable to any value.For the Sheriff to disregard witnesses (possibly numerous) who had been drinking or even smoking weed with such a blanket statement seems somewhat foolish and simplistic to me.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

The problem with the sketch for me is that we don't know if this is how the POI really looks or if he's in costume. Hair could be a wig; glasses might not be worn regularly by the individual. If I were to walk around campus of nearby university, I'd probably see dozens of young men who look similar to the individual in the sketch. Chelsea looks decidedly different in costume than her normal appearance. :moo:

 

[rosesfromangels]

The problem with the sketch for me is that we don't know if this is how the POI really looks or if he's in costume. Hair could be a wig; glasses might not be worn regularly by the individual. If I were to walk around campus of nearby university, I'd probably see dozens of young men who look similar to the individual in the sketch. Chelsea looks decidedly different in costume than her normal appearance. :moo:

Yes, exactly. And what better place for a Perp to pick a victim than a Halloween party where identifies are concealed? However, keep the faith. As we now know, there were cameras all over the place taking videos for some forthcoming music video. IMO, there is a very high probability this guy will be identified, or LE already knows who he is. Perhaps they are gathering enough data to insure a conviction, or are hoping he leads them to something.
MOO

 

[Constance]

I haven't had much to add to the coversation but I gotta stick up for my local LE here. IMO, Sheriff Malone is not "disregarding" witnesses who had been drinking or smoking weed. One of the reasons the sheriff has earned the respect (and votes!) of so many here is that he's a straight-shooter. He just calls it like he sees it.

That statement was, in my mind, meant to inform us all as to where they were at in their investigation, and explain why. They haven't given up -- but with only so much to go on, there's only so much they can do.

To think that the high people at the party were merely drinking or smoking weed is naivety, I think. These kids today have access to drugs that didn't even exist when we were kids -- K2, spice, bath salts, etc.

I believe the sheriff when he says they're doing the best that they can. I don't think it's doing anyone any favors to pressure LE to come up with something to satisfy the public. That's how cases get botched or end up wrongly prosecuted.

JMO, but I'm pretty sure I speak for a lot of people in Monroe County when I say our Sheriff is doing a fine job, and that we appreciate his efforts to bring Chelsea home and give us the answers we seek. Monroe County has not given up on Chelsea.