GUILTY MI - Chelsea Bruck, 22, Frenchtown Twp, 26 Oct 2014 #2

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  • #761
I align with your, and Old Steve's hypothesis of what happened. I will add one more layer to it though. I believe the connection to the Niswender murder is real, and should be investigated vigorously. These girls did something (that in the mind of the Perp) offended him. I do not believe her disappearance from the party was an accident or a perfect storm scenario. I believe the Perp stalked her, and planned well in advance. Perhaps he attended previous concerts where he became a casual known to her, but the opportunity to snatch her without detection didn't present itself.
The genre of the music and what it communicates should be considered as well. For an unbalanced mind it could seem like "instructions". The mere symbol of the band with the pick axe and it's dripping blood and the repetitive underworld lyrics are enough to set a borderline type in to action. If indeed this same Perp murdered the Niswender girl in Dec 2012, he probably felt relief and satisfaction....until the compulsion started building in him again. This of course, is just all amateur speculation. However, the theory isn't so far fetched that it shouldn't be explored IMO...

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Re: connection to Niswender case. You've obviously given this some thought.

There were two Niswender sisters (twins) and two Bruck sisters who seemed to be friends. A photo of the four young women is posted elsewhere in this discussion. In your scenario, did the perp specifically target Julia Niswender and Chelsea Bruck instead of Jennifer Niswender and Kassandra Bruck? Were/Are they potential targets of the perp, or was he specifically targeting Julia whom we know was murdered and Chelsea who remains missing?
 
  • #762
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Re: connection to Niswender case. You've obviously given this some thought.

There were two Niswender sisters (twins) and two Bruck sisters who seemed to be friends. A photo of the four young women is posted elsewhere in this discussion. In your scenario, did the perp specifically target Julia Niswender and Chelsea Bruck instead of Jennifer Niswender and Kassandra Bruck? Were/Are they potential targets of the perp, or was he specifically targeting Julia whom we know was murdered and Chelsea who remains missing?

I was dwelling on this very thought earlier this morning, and I'm not sure. It could have been one of the other girls he thought had slighted him and mistook Chelsea. Not clear, but I definitely think it's these two groups of girls he was targeting. There *must* be some connection LE can figure out and help draw them closer to bringing these cases to closure. And yes, to the question you are eluding to, I'm sure LE has, or should have, advised the other girls to be extra cautious.
 
  • #763
In any event, someone knows something regarding POI or Chelsea's whereabouts. I think we agree that it is very unlikely that Chelsea left w/ a complete stranger. IMO, there are 3 possible scenarios.

1.) Chelsea knew POI, as an acquaintance or a friend from her past. Maybe, POI lived in the community or attended her high school or church (maybe POI was friends w/ one of Chelsea's siblings). She may have had no contact w/ this person in years. However, she was comfortable/familiar enough to accept a ride w/ POI. If this is the case, POI is familiar w/ others in the community.

2.) As we know, Chelsea attended similar parties on the property before. She also followed/supported the band, on a regular basis. She attended several of the bands events at different venues. IMO, Chelsea knew or connected w/ POI from past events, maybe, (but not likely) Chelsea only met POI that evening. However, either way, someone still knows something. I do not believe Chelsea just struck up a conversation, at the end of the night, w/ some random man and trusted this person enough to accept a ride home. Regardless, throughout the course of the night or at another venue, someone must have seen POI/ Chelsea interacting w/ one another. Chelsea did not have a DL, which means she attended these various events, w/ at least one other person. I am curious if LE has questioned ALL of Chelsea's friends, including friends not present at Halloween Party? Also, friends or contacts that she hasn't communicated w/ in awhile? At Chelsea's age, I think it is normal for ones network and circle of friends, to cycle & change often (as friends go to college, move out of the community & state, enter/return from the military, and fall in/out of love). I feel it is possible, that someone may be unintentionally, withholding critical information, as the POI sketch may not strike a cord w/ them (maybe POI sketch is WAY OFF!).

3.) POI did not attend Halloween party, as POI may have been present only to pick Chelsea up. This could explain why nobody, other then Vendor really seems to recognize POI. Vendor recalls Chelsea/POI talking together, very late in the evening (around 3:15am), near the entrance of the parking lot. We also know Chelsea made several phone calls throughout the night, even calling, her own cell phone. However, in this scenario, there should be a link to POI. You would think one of Chelsea's friends, co-workers, family members would recognize POI or that POI could be identified by forensic analysis of Chelsea's personal belongings (cell phone or computer records). Even, if someone has a solid alibi for the night of 10/25, does their alibi extend into the very early morning hours of 10/26? Typically, bars close at 2:00/2:30am, people tend to go their separate ways at this hour. People may be confused or have ruled out potential POI's because of the timing in the early morning. Could this be a reason POI hasn't been identified?
 
  • #764
With all the cameras, eye witness, the fact that these people tend to "follow the band" etc., Chelsea's behavioral history, it defies logic that LE wouldn't know who this POI is. I truly believe they do, and are simply gathering enough evidence to insure a conviction. I'm sorry to be so gloomy, but this is what logic tells me.
 
  • #765
This is a very interesting article from a profiler, from Psychology Today:

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/disturbed/201110/profiling-murderer

Worth a read. It talks about "How to paint a portrait of the most likely perpetrator". I keep going back over and over again to the connection to the Niswender girl. What exactly is similar about these two girls, aside from the fact they know each other. Where they both cheerleaders, or in some type of club? Had they both rebuffed the same person, or unwittingly committed some infraction in his mind?

Can anyone tell me if the Niswender girl went to these "Pick Axe Preacher" concerts as well? One thing that I haven't heard mentioned is that maybe we are overlooking the fact a female could be involved in some manner. Someone very jealous who had Chelsea "dealt with". Was Chelsea getting too close to someone in the band that created jealousy? Definitely a fringe theory, but nonetheless should be considered.
 
  • #766
Klynn, I am most inclined to agree with your #2 possibility. I still find it hard to imagine there are no pics of this person, even in the background of someone's photo. I want to believe LE has some info we are not aware of. I also feel a close friend, perhaps in the group she attended the party with, knows something helpful. They may have kept something back thinking they are protecting Chelsea's name in some way, but it is so important they share everything they know. They may think it is nothing. I hope LE has been thorough in talking with her friends, and any guests possible to identify.
 
  • #767
This past year there have been more then one cold case missing person found when cars were found in lakes. Is it possible she got a ride with the POI and the car went into a lake? If he wasn't a local he would be a missing person in another jurisdiction and off the radar.
 
  • #768
Since Chelsea hasn't been located, we shouldn't dismiss any idea. I don't know much about that area and the geography. Are there large bodies of water close to where the party was held and en route to her home? I just saw cornfields on the news clips and really zeroed in on that.

Back to the concept of profiling. If all the profiling studies are right, the POI would be someone with low self esteem, has a strong need to be "unique" and may dress/groom in an alternative manner. Further, they may have issues with authority and lots of anger, which the metal music helps them purge...and feel better. Sounds like your typical teenager to me.
 
  • #769
Lake Erie and the Raisin River 2-3miles away.
 
  • #770
In any event, someone knows something regarding POI or Chelsea's whereabouts. I think we agree that it is very unlikely that Chelsea left w/ a complete stranger. IMO, there are 3 possible scenarios.

1.) Chelsea knew POI, as an acquaintance or a friend from her past. Maybe, POI lived in the community or attended her high school or church (maybe POI was friends w/ one of Chelsea's siblings). She may have had no contact w/ this person in years. However, she was comfortable/familiar enough to accept a ride w/ POI. If this is the case, POI is familiar w/ others in the community.

2.) As we know, Chelsea attended similar parties on the property before. She also followed/supported the band, on a regular basis. She attended several of the bands events at different venues. IMO, Chelsea knew or connected w/ POI from past events, maybe, (but not likely) Chelsea only met POI that evening. However, either way, someone still knows something. I do not believe Chelsea just struck up a conversation, at the end of the night, w/ some random man and trusted this person enough to accept a ride home. Regardless, throughout the course of the night or at another venue, someone must have seen POI/ Chelsea interacting w/ one another. Chelsea did not have a DL, which means she attended these various events, w/ at least one other person. I am curious if LE has questioned ALL of Chelsea's friends, including friends not present at Halloween Party? Also, friends or contacts that she hasn't communicated w/ in awhile? At Chelsea's age, I think it is normal for ones network and circle of friends, to cycle & change often (as friends go to college, move out of the community & state, enter/return from the military, and fall in/out of love). I feel it is possible, that someone may be unintentionally, withholding critical information, as the POI sketch may not strike a cord w/ them (maybe POI sketch is WAY OFF!).

3.) POI did not attend Halloween party, as POI may have been present only to pick Chelsea up. This could explain why nobody, other then Vendor really seems to recognize POI. Vendor recalls Chelsea/POI talking together, very late in the evening (around 3:15am), near the entrance of the parking lot. We also know Chelsea made several phone calls throughout the night, even calling, her own cell phone. However, in this scenario, there should be a link to POI. You would think one of Chelsea's friends, co-workers, family members would recognize POI or that POI could be identified by forensic analysis of Chelsea's personal belongings (cell phone or computer records). Even, if someone has a solid alibi for the night of 10/25, does their alibi extend into the very early morning hours of 10/26? Typically, bars close at 2:00/2:30am, people tend to go their separate ways at this hour. People may be confused or have ruled out potential POI's because of the timing in the early morning. Could this be a reason POI hasn't been identified?
I concur with the scenarios you present, however, I think the person WAS at the party. I do not think she called someone unless it was someone she was very close with, and remember she didn't have her cell phone all night.

I ask the group, how many of your contacts phone numbers do you have memorized? I recognize a select few but could not recite a number if my life depended on it.

This is why I think this person was present and it is someone she knew or had some sort of comfort level with.

I wonder about this APP KIK or Plenty of Fish, she could have had an online connection, corresponded semi regularly, mentioned she was going to the party and they just showed up and she had a level of trust because of talking on line.

Or Maybe I'm so A.D.D. that I cannot remember phone numbers anymore! lol
 
  • #771
I concur with the scenarios you present, however, I think the person WAS at the party. I do not think she called someone unless it was someone she was very close with, and remember she didn't have her cell phone all night.

I ask the group, how many of your contacts phone numbers do you have memorized? I recognize a select few but could not recite a number if my life depended on it.

This is why I think this person was present and it is someone she knew or had some sort of comfort level with.

I wonder about this APP KIK or Plenty of Fish, she could have had an online connection, corresponded semi regularly, mentioned she was going to the party and they just showed up and she had a level of trust because of talking on line.

Or Maybe I'm so A.D.D. that I cannot remember phone numbers anymore! lol

No I think it's common for people to not know phone numbers due to technology. There's no need to anymore (unless you don't have your phone, then you're screwed). I agree that this is someone who was there, and she felt somewhat safe around. Maybe she thought he was cute and they hit it off. When she had to leave, he offered to take her to her friend's (wasn't she planning on staying with someone that night?). Since she couldn't find her friend(s) and didn't have her phone on her, she felt he was her best option. OR maybe they were heading somewhere else, like to an after party or something.
 
  • #772
Has anyone ever mentioned whether or not Chelsea worked during the day prior to the Halloween party? If she did, perhaps Chelsea mentioned the concert to a customer who later showed up at the concert. Chelsea might have known this person as a regular at Olga's and thought that she could trust him to drive her home or to her friend's house. I wonder if LE checked surveillance video at Olga's?
 
  • #773
Since Chelsea hasn't been located, we shouldn't dismiss any idea. I don't know much about that area and the geography. Are there large bodies of water close to where the party was held and en route to her home? I just saw cornfields on the news clips and really zeroed in on that...

Michigan is frequently called "the water wonderland" because the state is surrounded by the Great Lakes, and numerous inland lakes, rivers, wetlands, streams, etc. dot the landscape across Michigan. One can't travel too far anywhere in Michigan without happening upon "water, water, everywhere".
 
  • #774
Has anyone ever mentioned whether or not Chelsea worked during the day prior to the Halloween party? If she did, perhaps Chelsea mentioned the concert to a customer who later showed up at the concert. Chelsea might have known this person as a regular at Olga's and thought that she could trust him to drive her home or to her friend's house. I wonder if LE checked surveillance video at Olga's?

Got to hope LE is checking into all these things... This is an expensive case in terms of what LE most likely will have to put into it; hope they do!
What will it take to solve this case? - Generally, cases like this are solved because (what have I missed?):

Someone saw something and remembers it.
Someone who knows something but has kept it secret till an arrest or are in jail seeking a deal.
Told something by a friend or boyfriend and no longer keeping it secret.
LE ferrets out information by old-fashion gumshoe work.
Forensics from things found of hers or her.
Surveillance, social media, cellphone data
 
  • #775
Every possible, even the tiniest commonality Chelsea has with Julia Niswender needs to be connected. This is a gant chart exercise...right down to where they go to the dentist, buy their clothes, go to church....every little daily life detail.
 
  • #776
Got to hope LE is checking into all these things... This is an expensive case in terms of what LE most likely will have to put into it; hope they do!
What will it take to solve this case? - Generally, cases like this are solved because (what have I missed?):

Someone saw something and remembers it.
Someone who knows something but has kept it secret till an arrest or are in jail seeking a deal.
Told something by a friend or boyfriend and no longer keeping it secret.
LE ferrets out information by old-fashion gumshoe work.
Forensics from things found of hers or her.
Surveillance, social media, cellphone data

We took down the Christmas decorations today, but I left Chelsea's purple ribbon. It' been very enlightening reading WSers posts who have been following this case. Almost all of your ideas make great sense. I keep leaning on the idea that this POI knew her from before, even if she wasn't all that familiar with him. He may have used a ruse to get her in his car. The things that stand out, is that nobody seems to know him, and if that is true, and it's not somebody being protected by friends from BM's bash, then these things stand out.

That burglary at the gas station in Maybee, about 26 or more hours later. If it has anything to do with Chelsea Bruck going missing, could have been for gas money and supplies the POI may have needed to get far, because he didn't want to charge it? So could he have paid cash for gas around there a day or so later to get away? He may have hunkered down somewhere until then?

The possible connection to Julia's death, even if it was something that hadn't been planned, if it was the same person, and they had followed the families, then seeing Chelsea Bruck needing a ride may have been too great a temptation.

This does not seem to be the only time this POI may have been involved with something like this. If he is known to LE or not, there is so little information or indication of what happened to Chelsea Bruck that I think this person knew what they were doing. He may have had what he needed to in terms of knowledge, awareness, means, and motive to cover their tracks.
 
  • #777
I have only passed through a few times on this case. I hope my question/observation is not too far out in left field.

Did Chelsea know anyone in the band? I read she followed this band quite closely. I am trying to think of what type of people she would be willing to take a ride with and trust. The allure of meeting up with a band member would qualify.
 
  • #778
She is shown in a photo posing with band members, yes.
I have only passed through a few times on this case. I hope my question/observation is not too far out in left field.

Did Chelsea know anyone in the band? I read she followed this band quite closely. I am trying to think of what type of people she would be willing to take a ride with and trust. The allure of meeting up with a band member would qualify.
 
  • #779
I concur with the scenarios you present, however, I think the person WAS at the party. I do not think she called someone unless it was someone she was very close with, and remember she didn't have her cell phone all night.

I ask the group, how many of your contacts phone numbers do you have memorized? I recognize a select few but could not recite a number if my life depended on it.

This is why I think this person was present and it is someone she knew or had some sort of comfort level with.

I wonder about this APP KIK or Plenty of Fish, she could have had an online connection, corresponded semi regularly, mentioned she was going to the party and they just showed up and she had a level of trust because of talking on line.Or Maybe I'm so A.D.D. that I cannot remember phone numbers anymore! lol

This is a likely scenario. She might have met someone online who synched up with her at the party. I'm sure LE has taken her computer to study her communications. THat will be a very, very strong lead.
 
  • #780
I get the feeling that LE truly has no leads in this case. Not seeing anything to make me think they are "watching" someone. Hope I am wrong...but it seems like if they really have followed up on every "tip", looked into the Ohio perp, etc...they are grasping at every straw. Jmo
 
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