GUILTY MI - Chelsea Bruck, 22, Frenchtown Twp, 26 Oct 2014 #2

[BetteDavisEyes]

There have been several fundraisers to aid in searches, and there is a substantial reward for information regarding Chelsea's whereabouts. No one has come forward with a tip that would locate Chelsea and/or help solve the case. Searches will eventually be hampered by winter weather. Now seems like a good time for the family to hire a private investigator: The family would be wise to use at least some of the funds they've raised for this purpose. There are several private investigative agencies in the Greater Detroit or Toledo areas. :moo:

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

I have had most of these thoughts as possibilities, even though I do not want to have to consider them. The only thing I can add that would be different is the possibility of a water death, whether a body was dumped or she wandered away and fell into the river -- and will not be found. I think that is what worries me most -- never being found. Or never knowing if it was accidental. Being held for whatever purpose a perpetrator may have is the only possibility I try to hold onto that has the potential of bringing her home alive.

The close proximity of Monroe County to Lake Erie made me cringe when we first learned of Chelsea's disappearance. I was assured by locals and media that the shores of Lake Erie were included in early search efforts. No matter where one ventures in Michigan, you're never very far from some body of water whether it be the Great Lakes, rivers, inland lakes, ponds, streams, natural wetlands. Water, water everywhere!

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

As I see this the most realistic possibilities are, in order of likeliness;
1. She ran off with someone, voluntarily, as I have stated before, for various possible reasons.
2. She was taken advantage of and while struggling she was extinguished (suddenly-not planned) and disposed of, her body will probably be found sometime as a result, perhaps when the farmers plant in the spring.
4. There was some sort of a drug overdose, which would either be covered up by anyone who provided the drugs.
5. She wandered off alone into a secluded field or woods and died due to a medical condition, excessive blood alcohol or a drug overdose. (the weather that morning as I recall, was not unbearably cold, however,contrary to what others here have stated)
6. A skilled predator planned her abduction, luring her, based on the condition and ease of which she may have appeared as a victim, in which case her life was extinguished, her remains could be anywhere in the U.S.
7. She was kidnapped for the purpose of "human trafficking".
8. She was abducted for sexual reasons and possibly held captive by an older man for use as a sex slave.

Forgive me if i sound insensitive, but this is Reality and at some point Everyone will have to consider all of these possibilities.
If I have left any possibilities out, please feel free to present other considerations, hopefully in a concise manner as I have done above.

Thanks for the comprehensive list. What's #3?

Based on everything the family has told us about Chelsea, I don't put much stock in her having run off with someone or absconded on her own. That said, I have thought from early on that Chelsea left with someone who she met at other music events or knew casually. Chelsea thought that this person (presumably a male) would take her home, but something bad happened

 

[OldSteve]

Thanks for the comprehensive list. What's #3?

Based on everything the family has told us about Chelsea, I don't put much stock in her having run off with someone or absconded on her own. That said, I have thought from early on that Chelsea left with someone who she met at other music events or knew casually. Chelsea thought that this person (presumably a male) would take her home, but something bad happened

Agree! BBM - yes, and the more spur-of-the-moment the meeting and the less history there is between her and her abductor, the harder it's gong to be for LE to figure out who it is.

 

[kathryann]

Thanks for the comprehensive list. What's #3?

Based on everything the family has told us about Chelsea, I don't put much stock in her having run off with someone or absconded on her own. That said, I have thought from early on that Chelsea left with someone who she met at other music events or knew casually. Chelsea thought that this person (presumably a male) would take her home, but something bad happened

I totally agree with you, I don't see her as the type of person to just leave with someone that she didn't know at all. I pray for her family this time of the year and hope that she is found soon.

 

[Ghostwheel]

What do you suggest is the correlation to this case?

Not to this case. To the Shane Montgomery case which was mentioned, and why I said I didn't want to derail the thread.

 

[ARealist]

As I added possibilities, I renumbered them, must have forgot a 3. It wont let me edit my post any more. Your opinion below would fall under my #2 option, where she would have trusted whomever she went with,possibly knew them and they took advantage of her or drugged her causing an overdose, which would include #3.

Thanks for the comprehensive list. What's #3?

Based on everything the family has told us about Chelsea, I don't put much stock in her having run off with someone or absconded on her own. That said, I have thought from early on that Chelsea left with someone who she met at other music events or knew casually. Chelsea thought that this person (presumably a male) would take her home, but something bad happened

 

[Ghostwheel]

As I see this the most realistic possibilities are, in order of likeliness;
1. She ran off with someone, voluntarily, as I have stated before, for various possible reasons.
2. She was taken advantage of and while struggling she was extinguished (suddenly-not planned) and disposed of, her body will probably be found sometime as a result, perhaps when the farmers plant in the spring.
4. There was some sort of a drug overdose, which would either be covered up by anyone who provided the drugs.
5. She wandered off alone into a secluded field or woods and died due to a medical condition, excessive blood alcohol or a drug overdose. (the weather that morning as I recall, was not unbearably cold, however,contrary to what others here have stated)
6. A skilled predator planned her abduction, luring her, based on the condition and ease of which she may have appeared as a victim, in which case her life was extinguished, her remains could be anywhere in the U.S.
7. She was kidnapped for the purpose of "human trafficking".
8. She was abducted for sexual reasons and possibly held captive by an older man for use as a sex slave.

Forgive me if i sound insensitive, but this is Reality and at some point Everyone will have to consider all of these possibilities.
If I have left any possibilities out, please feel free to present other considerations, hopefully in a concise manner as I have done above.

3. Chelsea got a ride home with someone, who made sexual advances, she rebuffed them and was left to walk home from wherever. Result same as # 5.
9. Crime of opportunity where Chelsea needed a ride home and perp got her in the car, drove her elsewhere, attacked and killed her. (no prior planning, planned spur of the moment)

Adding one more:
10. Chelsea attempted to walk home and got lost. (Depends on her state of inebriation)

BTW, is 37 not enough to succumb to the elements when you are only wearing a sleeveless top and tights? I'm given to understand that any temperature lower than 98.6 degrees can be linked to hypothermia, being as mild hypothermia begins at body core temperature of 95 degrees, and improper clothing and alcohol intake can speed heat loss. Being out in 37 degree weather all night without shelter or warm clothing could easily get your body core below 95.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

...BTW, is 37 not enough to succumb to the elements when you are only wearing a sleeveless top and tights? I'm given to understand that any temperature lower than 98.6 degrees can be linked to hypothermia, being as mild hypothermia begins at body core temperature of 95 degrees, and improper clothing and alcohol intake can speed heat loss. Being out in 37 degree weather all night without shelter or warm clothing could easily get your body core below 95.

<snipped> Thanks for mentioning the temperature on October 25-26. While it wasn't bitterly cold that night or the following day, overnight temps did dip into the low 30s, and that is plenty cold when you're not properly dressed. DH and I went to the opera in Detroit on Sunday that weekend and wore winter coats and gloves. :snowflake:

 

[ARealist]

it was a warm day that day it cooled down to about 36 or 37 very early Sunday morning it is definitely possibleto survive in those temperatures I have been out before all night in just a short sleeve shirt at that temperature and yes I was shivering and intoxicated,but I was conscious and able to walk freely. You must also remember just because you feel cold and are uncomfortable doesn't mean you can't survive that cold talking about temperatures in the middle thirties.

 

[ARealist]

Did Chelsea have any serious medical condition?

 

[Spellbound]

http://www.weatherforyou.com/report...ntry=us&month=10&day=26&year=2014&dosubmit=Go

It was actually warmer than I realized the night of the party, but did start turning colder the night of the 26th. This is an archived page of the weather conditions in Newporrt on the 26th, beginning around midnight

 

[Spellbound]

Did Chelsea have any serious medical condition?

None that we have been made aware of.

 

[ARealist]

http://www.weatherforyou.com/report...ntry=us&month=10&day=26&year=2014&dosubmit=Go

It was actually warmer than I realized the night of the party, but did start turning colder the night of the 26th. This is an archived page of the weather conditions in Newporrt on the 26th, beginning around midnight

very good where did you find that report I looked elsewhere but it wasn't that good.but I do recall that day working on my car it was quite warm out and through the night.

 

[gracehatter]

http://www.weatherforyou.com/report...ntry=us&month=10&day=26&year=2014&dosubmit=Go

It was actually warmer than I realized the night of the party, but did start turning colder the night of the 26th. This is an archived page of the weather conditions in Newporrt on the 26th, beginning around midnight

Also keep in mind for Michiganders in late October, those temps would feel almost balmy!

 

[ARealist]

We Love it! Bonfire weather.

 

[Ghostwheel]

it was a warm day that day it cooled down to about 36 or 37 very early Sunday morning it is definitely possibleto survive in those temperatures I have been out before all night in just a short sleeve shirt at that temperature and yes I was shivering and intoxicated,but I was conscious and able to walk freely. You must also remember just because you feel cold and are uncomfortable doesn't mean you can't survive that cold talking about temperatures in the middle thirties.

Yes, possible to survive, but also possible not to survive, especially if she didn't happen to be conscious. Plus t-shirt and jeans(I assume) is a lot different than tights/leggings and a sleeveless low cut top. I've noted a considerable difference just between jeans and cargo shorts in under 50 weather. So either one is on the possibility list.

 

[ARealist]

I suppose we would have to ask a physiologist 4 the absolute answer on how an unconscious persons body and brain might survive or expire in that type of temperature situation. But we could split hairs all day long and generalize on what the difference between leggings and jeans,male or female - body weight,the level of blood alcohol, the amount of trauma inflicted, so the variables are pretty much infinite and probably beyond any of our realm of knowledge or expertise.After all isn't this just one possibility out of many that has yet to be revealed? I would consider yours as a very rational concept though.

 

[ARealist]

maybe due to a lack of a ride or cell phone and not knowing any phone numbers by memory, she began walking and got disoriented due to being intoxicated which as we all know affects everyone differently possibly hit by a vehicle or fell in a field or a ditch ,passed out and the cold caused her death although I don't believe it was cold enough but I will consider the possibility.

 

[ARealist]

there was a case in which something similar happened to a young lady which I will link when I get a chance.