GUILTY MI - Chelsea Bruck, 22, Frenchtown Twp, 26 Oct 2014 #4

[justnosey]

The whole murder and torture women chic thing they had going with the poster is disturbing too, in addition to something about what ninja turtles may have symbolized at the time, but I don't recall the details correctly. Maybe the whole imagery for the poster and the themes, the little "True Detective" style decorations, bunched up twigs hung as ornaments, often enough, a point of focus for one of the official cameras, prominently bobbing up and down in the videos of the bash, may have all been some inside joke among BM's circle? Who the cares. It's violent, misogynistic, dumb stuff. Who but morons there that night would take it seriously?

Sorry if this has already been mentioned... If you go on IG and type [hashtag] pickaxepreacher there is a video of the Halloween party with the whole TMNT thing. The video means nothing to me, but I thought maybe someone would recognize something.

 

[FindHG]

I can tell you from growing up in Monroe County, is there are many dirt or gravel roads and IMO the gravel sides of those tracks I've seen are in better shape than some of the roads I drove all the time growing up.

I don't think it would have been given a second thought to turn off off Briarhill or at the other end, Grafton Rd.

JMO

Agreed, all the versions of images of the tracks going back with all the maps that I could find makes it look well groomed and cared for on the sides going from Maybee all the way up to Flatrock.

 

[FindHG]

Sorry if this has already been mentioned... If you go on IG and type [hashtag] pickaxepreacher there is a video of the Halloween party with the whole TMNT thing. The video means nothing to me, but I thought maybe someone would recognize something.

Thank you for your neat helpful posts. PAP videos are familiar to me from youtube, is this more footage not available there, and could you provide a link please? Appreciate you as I read through all the information and links you've brought to the threads.

 

[FindHG]

Downriver Chivers event for Chelsea
taking place here ~ Off Topic

"The family seeks justice. The reason for the event has changed but our mission is the same.."



Monroe News Vigil video segment,
followed by the Crime Stopper's PC * from last year
for Forager, if you could link it to the map, please.

*Newport Fireman’s Hall on Brandon Rd.

 

[justnosey]

Thank you for your neat helpful posts. PAP videos are familiar to me from youtube, is this more footage not available there, and could you provide a link please? Appreciate you as I read through all the information and links you've brought to the threads.

Thank you! Glad I can be helpful in some way. I hope this link to IG works... The video is only 15 seconds, and I am sure there is nothing additional from the footage (lots of backs of people's heads), but IG is a nice way to reverse map party attendees through photos...follow the likes and comments. I also have noticed the hash tags: bigmikes
pxp (not "pap' as others have abbreviated here) and pickaxepreacherlive (ig indicates that there is one video with this hashtag, however I am unable to see anything. I have a feeling it was removed.) https://instagram.com/p/unrFwcHbZV/

 

[GigTu]

When I mentioned that I compared HB's photo side-by-side with the sketch, someone responded with a comment about HB post on Facebook to the effect that "(he) didn't like long hair". When was that posted? I'd find it highly suspect if he posted the "hair" remark in recent months when he might have changed his hair because he knew that he resembled the sketch. :waitasec:

I wrote that comment. Several October pics, prior to the incident, his hair is buzzed, but they are reposts of older pics. His hair was short in July for grad pics, but not buzzed. Most pics it's pretty short, so unless he didn't cut it after graduating up until Oct. 27-28... that would be worth looking in to.

In a side-by-side photo with another person, possibly wearing an orange community service vest, he commented on his hair being too long. He also said 'not going to happen again'. I wonder what that's about. 12/21/14.

 

[GigTu]

So, I have this app on my iPad called Sketch. I've been taking pics of all the different people we've been talking about and converting their images to a 'sketch', and comparing features. I can't post the, here, but do LKZ. Whoa.

HB is not even close. Some others are, even if they are heavier. However, the original is just a sketch, so it's not very scientific. But if you think about how the person described the guy they saw.... lips, nose, eyebrows, hair and cheekbones would all be what he described, then someone used their mind to put it on paper. But comparing those features might have some value.

Just a thought.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

I wrote that comment. Several October pics, prior to the incident, his hair is buzzed, but they are reposts of older pics. His hair was short in July for grad pics, but not buzzed. Most pics it's pretty short, so unless he didn't cut it after graduating up until Oct. 27-28... that would be worth looking in to.

In a side-by-side photo with another person, possibly wearing an orange community service vest, he commented on his hair being too long. He also said 'not going to happen again'. I wonder what that's about. 12/21/14.

Thanks for the explanation. When folks here mention someone they've seen on FB, usually providing initials of said individuals, I have no idea who they're talking about because I don't do social media. I know who HB is because he was taken into custody by LE for having lied about an aspect of the investigation. I compared his photo to the sketch and feel that, with longer hair and glasses, he could be the individual depicted in the artist's rendering. :moo:

 

[monster12]

I always think about this and I'm not sure how I feel about the sketch" describer". Wasn't a security guard the one that claims he last saw them and provided the details for the sketch? From what I've heard and read, most of them seemed to know each other and have done this together before. I'm not saying all of them knew each other and I know it was voluntary. But most of these pics were seeing the guys have ear gauges and or piercings. Maybe they left that part out purposely? At least they included the glasses but just feel unsure about the whole sketch and whoever it was providing the info. Then again hopefully and I'm sure LE know what their doing and would also be thinking this?


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[BetteDavisEyes]

I always think about this and I'm not sure how I feel about the sketch" describer". Wasn't a security guard the one that claims he last saw them and provided the details for the sketch?

I thought it was a vendor.

 

[monster12]

I always think about this and I'm not sure how I feel about the sketch" describer". Wasn't a security guard the one that claims he last saw them and provided the details for the sketch?

I thought it was a vendor.

I couldn't remember. I thought I remember hearing it was a guard out by the parking lot. I could be wrong. But either way ...


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[BetteDavisEyes]

Thank you all family, friends, and, as my mom calls them, "new friends" for coming out in support or lighting at candle at home. I believe that the light from our collective candles was so strong last night that it just might have reached all the way to heaven...

https://www.facebook.com/findchelseabruck

 

[Klynn3]

I couldn't remember. I thought I remember hearing it was a guard out by the parking lot. I could be wrong. But either way ...


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A vendor provided LE with the sketch. He was said to be a reliable source, as he was one of the only individuals that wasn't too stoned or drunk. We talked about this topic awhile back in great detail. I know he observed Chelsea and POI talking at approx. 3:15am. It appeared as if they were having a normal conversation. A couple minutes later they started walking towards the parking area. Additionally, I can't remember if it was Kilen but someone from Chelsea's immediate family mentioned that they trust this individual. In other words, they don't have any reason to believe that he is lying or misleading authorities.

However, that doesn't mean the sketch is accurate. I work for a bank so we are required to take annual training courses on certain emergency procedures. A large focus is dealing with the need to retain critical information so we can provide LE w/ a composite sketch (if we ever needed to). Let me tell you..even after yrs of training,it's very hard (some of the most critical features are often forgotten or missed completely).

 

[black_squirrel]

I always think about this and I'm not sure how I feel about the sketch" describer". Wasn't a security guard the one that claims he last saw them and provided the details for the sketch? From what I've heard and read, most of them seemed to know each other and have done this together before. I'm not saying all of them knew each other and I know it was voluntary. But most of these pics were seeing the guys have ear gauges and or piercings. Maybe they left that part out purposely? At least they included the glasses but just feel unsure about the whole sketch and whoever it was providing the info. Then again hopefully and I'm sure LE know what their doing and would also be thinking this?


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It was a vendor who last saw her.

Bruck was at the Halloween party and was dressed as Poison Ivy. According to Malone, she passed her phone off to a friend and was spotted by several people between 12:00 and 3:15 a.m., several of which offered to drive her home.

Malone said Bruck was last seen by a vendor at the party who, Malone pointed out, was one of the few who was not stoned or drunk at the party and could clearly remember seeing her. Malone said she was talking to someone near a bonfire between 3:00 and 3:15 a.m. This witness is the one who gave police the description of the man they say was talking to her.

http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/story/2...eople-at-party-when-chelsea-bruck-disappeared

 

[monster12]

A vendor provided LE with the sketch. He was said to be a reliable source, as he was one of the only individuals that wasn't too stoned or drunk. We talked about this topic awhile back in great detail. I know he observed Chelsea and POI talking at approx. 3:15am. It appeared as if they were having a normal conversation. A couple minutes later they started walking towards the parking area. Additionally, I can't remember if it was Kilen but someone from Chelsea's immediate family mentioned that they trust this individual. In other words, they don't have any reason to believe that he is lying or misleading authorities.

However, that doesn't mean the sketch is accurate. I work for a bank so we are required to take annual training courses on certain emergency procedures. A large focus is dealing with the need to retain critical information so we can provide LE w/ a composite sketch (if we ever needed to). Let me tell you..even after yrs of training,it's very hard (some of the most critical features are often forgotten or missed completely).

Thank you Klynn that was my point. I'm not saying anything bad but just a thought to throw out there. I feel since nobody knows that anything is a possibility. So often I feel too much is dissected from what I post.


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[Klynn3]

Thank you Klynn that was my point. I'm not saying anything bad but just a thought to throw out there. I feel since nobody knows that anything is a possibility. So often I feel too much is dissected from what I post.



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I understand exactly what you're saying. It's apparent that the sketch is off in some sort of way. I am confident, if it wasn't off or distorted then our POI wouldn't still be a mystery. Additionally, way back when...I had my own suspicions over the individual who provided the sketch. I wish we knew more about him. Is he from the area? His age? How many events (like this) has he worked in the past? How familiar is he w/ the band? What company does he represent? What was he actually selling? What time did he arrive/leave the party? Has he sponsored or been apart of any of the bands events since 10/25 event?

 

[Spellbound]

FYI:

I have mailed the card to Chelsea's family and included a small donation from the "Websleuths family" for them to use as they need/wish.

 

[rosesfromangels]

I understand exactly what you're saying. It's apparent that the sketch is off in some sort of way. I am confident, if it wasn't off or distorted then our POI wouldn't still be a mystery. Additionally, way back when...I had my own suspicions over the individual who provided the sketch. I wish we knew more about him. Is he from the area? His age? How many events (like this) has he worked in the past? How familiar is he w/ the band? What company does he represent? What was he actually selling? What time did he arrive/leave the party? Has he sponsored or been apart of any of the bands events since 10/25 event?

Wow - you make a great point I hadn't considered. But doy! you are so right. The band(s) represent revenue to him, why would he bite the hand that feeds? Could be something there. Hopefully LE has pressed him hard. They know how to unravel malarkey.

 

[FindHG]

A vendor provided LE with the sketch. He was said to be a reliable source, as he was one of the only individuals that wasn't too stoned or drunk. We talked about this topic awhile back in great detail. I know he observed Chelsea and POI talking at approx. 3:15am. It appeared as if they were having a normal conversation. A couple minutes later they started walking towards the parking area. Additionally, I can't remember if it was Kilen but someone from Chelsea's immediate family mentioned that they trust this individual. In other words, they don't have any reason to believe that he is lying or misleading authorities.

However, that doesn't mean the sketch is accurate. I work for a bank so we are required to take annual training courses on certain emergency procedures. A large focus is dealing with the need to retain critical information so we can provide LE w/ a composite sketch (if we ever needed to). Let me tell you..even after yrs of training,it's very hard (some of the most critical features are often forgotten or missed completely).

You're exaclty right on all counts, Klynn3, I agree. I've been held up at a gun point more than once, and each time, though I can picture their faces, I was useless at describing them and fortunately others were able to get a better glimpse. In addition, Chelsea's sister gave an extensive (on "NBC24's Angi Gonzalez sat down with Kassie Bruck," 12/19/14) MSM interview putting all controversy to rest about the description, mentioning that the witness spoke to the two of them, and about this eye-witnesses, the vendor's observations. So, no smoke blowing there, besides questioning it, the veracity or quality of the sketch, it seems to me. Indeed, when gracious and stalwart Kilen had an artist friend take his hair off his forehead and remove his eye-glasses, as well, to get a better look at the possible shape of his eyes and face, LE asked that the family not use it, and stick with the original description, as they thought it most sound, I assume.

Then again, as roses points out, it could be just smoke, though the sketch is still the one used for a POI by LE, according to numerous MSM reports.

Wow - you make a great point I hadn't considered. But doy! you are so right. The band(s) represent revenue to him, why would he bite the hand that feeds? Could be something there. Hopefully LE has pressed him hard. They know how to unravel malarkey.

BTW

Kilen

Continued thoughts and prayers for you, your mom and all.

 

[Le Singe]

I'm sold. Very nice. (I especially admired your getting the imagery dates. I'm going to have to figure out how that's done.)

How about the longer, five and a half mile drive to get from that site at Briar Hill Rd. to the Peters Rd., Flat Rock area (in which parts of Chelsea's costume were found) via the tracks, with a car? I've read comments by members local to the area suggesting that it could be driven. I've tried to eyeball the Google Maps satellite imagery for an answer, but was only able to conclude that I wouldn't have the courage to.

no idea about that, but if it was me no way would i do that even if I could because it would look so out of place anyone who happened to see it would likely remember it. I would try to move as incognito as possible till I had to get off road to get back somewhere secluded.