MI MI - Danielle Stislicki, 28, Southfield, 2 Dec 2016 #12

[rosesfromangels]

Let's hope LE is looking at other Michigan cold cases where FG might potentially have involvement.

 

[dexter75]

I'm yet another person who thinks it TOTALLY adds up.

I was ALL about giving everyone/scenario the benefit of the doubt. I more or less was preaching about not jumping to conclusions based on speculation or gut feelings.
FWIW looking at the big picture..looking at what we now know as a " whole " I would be naive to think the circumstances/evidence stacked against FG thus far are not adding up against him.
JMO

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[katlock]

I'm always open to hear others views and question my own thoughts. What is not adding up? The one thing that has you questioning ?


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I agree that it's not adding up. And I'll tell you why since you all are asking...he hasn't been found guilty. He hasn't even went to trial. I think most likely he's involved but people on here are so quick to be the jurors without knowing much of anything. Kind of disturbing.


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[rosesfromangels]

I agree that it's not adding up. And I'll tell you why since you all are asking...he hasn't been found guilty. He hasn't even went to trial. I think most likely he's involved but people on here are so quick to be the jurors without knowing much of anything. Kind of disturbing.


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Your admonishment is a good one. Thank you for the reminder. I know there has been more than one case where i was SURE who the Perp was....and was 100% wrong. Good reminder. Thanks.

 

[abeaman02]

Earlier today around 430pm I was driving my daughter to work and seen a white mustang with FindDani on the back windshield! Such love! I have it on the back of my jeep also! We tried to catch up to the young man driving to wave but he turned. Prayers and lots of love to Dani and family!



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I also saw a vehicle with "Find Dani" painted on the windows North of Detroit. The support is all around

 

[thesaint]

Let's hope LE is looking at other Michigan cold cases where FG might potentially have involvement.

LE already likes FG for a case similar to the Hines Park case out of Allen Park:

Allen Park police investigate similarities
Allen Park police are investigating similarities between a sexual assault case they are investigating and the Livonia Hines Park attack case.

Livonia police had released a sketch of the attacker back in September. Allen Park police said that Livonia police sketch is similar to the one they released Tuesday in connection to a sexual assault on June 10, 2017. Allen Park police believe the cases could be connected due to the similarities of the sketches, which were made by two different sketch artists.

 

[Coldpizza]

LE already likes FG for a case similar to the Hines Park case out of Allen Park:

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Allen Park police said a sexual assault happened June 10 near Pelham and Wick roads. The man is described as an Arabic or Indian man in his early 20s. He is 5 feet 10 inches tall and weighs 160 pounds.

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/...between-livonia-sexual-assault-case-their-own

 

[thesaint]

The Allen Park sketch looks more FG-like than the softer featured Livonia sketch, but they say arabic or indian man down in AP? Weird. Could be witness misidentification of race/ethnicity. Ballsy move to be out attacking more women while under the cloud of the DS investigation, if it turns out to be FG in AP.

 

[thesaint]

Interesting, they issued the arrest warrant for Hines Park case based in part on evidence collected in the course of the DS investigation:

The combined evidence collected from both investigations led Livonia police to arrest Galloway. Farmington Hills police wouldn't be specific about the evidence.

https://www.clickondetroit.com/news...as-hearing-for-hines-park-jogger-attack-case#

 

[Ozoner]

I agree that it's not adding up. And I'll tell you why since you all are asking...he hasn't been found guilty. He hasn't even went to trial. I think most likely he's involved but people on here are so quick to be the jurors without knowing much of anything. Kind of disturbing.

"He hasn't even went [sic] to trial."

There is a difference between legal guilt and factual guilt. If this security guard abducted, raped, and murdered Danielle, which is where all of the evidence points, then he is factually guilty, regardless of whether he ever goes to trial.

The people who use this forum are fully capable of assessing the evidence that has been made public. The assertion that forum users don't know much of anything is false. LE likely has a great deal of evidence that hasn't been shared with the public, but the known circumstantial evidence is compelling by itself. I have lost count of how many similar cases I've followed; it's rare for the evidence to be so clear cut.

Maybe it's unclear to some people because they don't understand perps like this security guard—human vermin to whom other people's lives have no value.

For a better understanding of how psychopaths like this POI operate, I would recommend two books, both by former FBI profiler Robert Ressler (and Tom Shachtman):

Whoever Fights Monsters: My Twenty Years Tracking Serial Killers for the FBI
and
I Have Lived in the Monster: Inside the Minds of the World's Most Notorious Serial Killers.

 

[Skigirl]

Interesting, they issued the arrest warrant for Hines Park case based in part on evidence collected in the course of the DS investigation:



https://www.clickondetroit.com/news...as-hearing-for-hines-park-jogger-attack-case#

I am far from an expert on the law, but I am pretty sure that if you, in good faith while executing a search warrant for Crime A, find evidence relating to Crime B, you can use the evidence for Crime B. For example, when executing a search warrant for evidence relating to the murder of UNC student, Eve Carson, investigators found the belongings of another victim (Duke grad student Abhijit Mahato). They then were able to use that evidence against Lovette in a subsequent trial (resulting in an IMO extremely unfortunate acquittal).

For our attorney friends, is it true that you are free to use evidence found during execution of a search warrant for one crime, in matters relating to another?


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[jellybean96]

I am far from an expert on the law, but I am pretty sure that if you, in good faith while executing a search warrant for Crime A, find evidence relating to Crime B, you can use the evidence for Crime B. For example, when executing a search warrant for evidence relating to the murder of UNC student, Eve Carson, investigators found the belongings of another victim (Duke grad student Abhijit Mahato). They then were able to use that evidence against Lovette in a subsequent trial (resulting in an IMO extremely unfortunate acquittal).

For our attorney friends, is it true that you are free to use evidence found during execution of a search warrant for one crime, in matters relating to another?


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I asked a LE friend about this - using evidence found at Crime A in a case for Crime B and I was told yes you can as long as it was legally obtained within the original warrant.

 

[JazzTune]

I agree that it's not adding up. And I'll tell you why since you all are asking...he hasn't been found guilty. He hasn't even went to trial. I think most likely he's involved but people on here are so quick to be the jurors without knowing much of anything. Kind of disturbing.


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No apologies here. I stand behind all my posts. No snark intended either. Just want to explain that my posts are clearly stated as my opinion only, not fact, (although I do cite MSM when appropriate to show how I formed my opinion.) No one else has to agree with it.

It's my understanding that we are allowed to express our opinions as long as they fall within TOS. If anyone questions whether those guidelines are violated in any post, that post can be flagged and reported.

There also is the ignore list available so that no one has to read posts of anyone they find annoying.

In this forum, emotions DO run high. The frustration level can be over the top, but we are all here for Danielle. May she be found and justice be served at last!

 

[inmyhumbleopinion]

I am far from an expert on the law, but I am pretty sure that if you, in good faith while executing a search warrant for Crime A, find evidence relating to Crime B, you can use the evidence for Crime B. For example, when executing a search warrant for evidence relating to the murder of UNC student, Eve Carson, investigators found the belongings of another victim (Duke grad student Abhijit Mahato). They then were able to use that evidence against Lovette in a subsequent trial (resulting in an IMO extremely unfortunate acquittal).

For our attorney friends, is it true that you are free to use evidence found during execution of a search warrant for one crime, in matters relating to another?

LOL. You underestimate your memory! Just to cover my here, I am from Michigan but not licensed in Michigan, so take everything I say with a handful of salt. Most of this stuff is pretty standard across US jurisdictions but criminal law isn’t even my practice area, so I don’t want to mislead you. I have no inside info. This case hits too close to home for me and I’m admittedly way over-invested, so I’ve done my research. I think there are a few MI lawyers following this thread so if they say I'm wrong, defer to them, lol. I will do my best to provide you with some sources so that you can arrive at your own educated opinions, though.

... RSBM for space ...

I don't want to go too far down the speculation rabbit hole here. It doesn’t really matter if he voluntarily gave up his DNA at this point, anyway. Well, it does, but only to the extent that LE followed the book on obtaining the search warrants and the laws of criminal procedure. If there were 60-some warrants executed related to Danielle’s case, and FG’s home was searched 5-7 times (as reported), you can pretty much bet that they got a warrant for a DNA swab or hair sample or both. They can only use that warranted sample to the extent of investigating the matter outlined in the warrant (Danielle’s case — not the sexual assault case — which is why you’ve probably noticed the careful wording used in recent news articles). However, it’s a little different for when they obtained DNA by swabbing her car or anything else not directly coming out of FG's body for the purpose of collecting his DNA. (RBBM)

You shouldn’t think of CODIS as just one giant database. To pull directly from Wikipedia:
"The CODIS software contains multiple different databases depending on the type of information being searched against. Examples of these databases include, missing persons, convicted offenders, and forensic samples collected from crime scenes..." (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_DNA_Index_System)

That last example is what is relevant here. Think about it. We have 2, maybe 3 crime scenes and 2 victims. For Danielle, LE has probably focused on collecting evidence from her Jeep, her apartment, and Berkley house. For the jogger, her physical body, clothes, etc., would be the primary focus for collection purposes.

If the Hines Park sexual assault victim went to the hospital and had her clothes taken for evidence, and her skin swabbed, etc., there could be DNA from an alleged assailant on that evidence. If so, they can run it through CODIS/Forensic Index to see if there is a hit. A hit can either be a possible suspect profile whose DNA is in the system and can be identified or be what they call, “a forensic hit.” A forensic hit is when you have a DNA profile from different crime scenes that match but the identity of the possible offender is still totally unknown. (https://www.fbi.gov/services/laboratory/biometric-analysis/codis/codis-and-ndis-fact-sheet) SOOO… if, for example, they collected DNA evidence from a possible offender via Danielle’s Jeep (remember - they have said they are pretty certain someone else drove her car) or whatever else, it could have matched up with the sexual assault kit evidence from the Hines Park victim. That is looking like it boils down to the same guy. (RBBM)

With how long this has taken, I’m certain they have way more evidence than we know about. This is where the "puzzle piece" metaphor is most applicable.

... RSBM for space ...

If we are to believe the news reports, there is, at the very least, forensic evidence from the Hines Park case that overlaps to some extent with forensic evidence from Danielle’s case. There is also a sketch and witness description that at least somewhat resembles the alleged perpetrator in the Hines Park case. That guy has similar features as the guy living in the Berkley home, who may or may not have been the last one seen with Danielle, but at least was acquainted with her. They may have phone pings or traffic/trail cams that put him/his phone/his vehicle in the vicinity of the trail… AT LEAST. (RBBM) We aren’t privy to the rest but law enforcement at least had sufficient probable cause to charge Floyd Galloway Jr. in the sexual assault case. I think that's how those "puzzle pieces" fit together.

Now... to specifically address the DNA connection and what evidence is admissible...

Michigan recently revised their DNA collection laws. If you are arrested for attempting to commit or actually committing certain types of felonies, you will be court ordered to provide a DNA sample for profiling purposes (CODIS). (https://www.michigan.gov/documents/msp/CODIS_FAQs_491665_7.pdf) The Supreme Court of the US seems to be on board with the general idea. (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/next/body/dna-databases/) Now, look at Floyd’s charges… multiple felonies. That’s why the court ordered him to provide a DNA sample. Even though the evidence obtained from warrants related to the probable cause for charging him in the assault case cannot be used in subsequent unrelated cases (or vice versa), the court ordered sample can be entered into CODIS and that can be used to connect him to potential DNA evidence from crime scenes that has already been databased. You use the search warrant to get the DNA to get the probable cause to arrest and charge with a felony, which then requires a sample be taken to be put into the Index. Then, when you run through the crime scene evidence obtained in a totally different case, it will hit with the court-verified DNA profile and BOOM! Now the cases are connected by DNA officially. (RBBM)

... RSBM ...

As you said, “LE will now have DNA that irrefutably belongs him, rather than samples found on items collected during searches.” I don’t think it’s an accident they decide to move forward with one case and not the other quite yet. (RBBM) That irrefutable DNA could end up being very significant down the line. Here is an example of a different MI sexual assault case where they were able to link different crimes this way to get a subsequent conviction on an unrelated crime: http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2015/09/dna_links_suspect_to_cold-case.html. The Chelsea Bruck case is another one where they connected the dots this way: http://www.toledoblade.com/Courts/2016/08/09/Daniel-Clay-accused-in-crimes-not-tied-to-Bruck.html

... RSBM for space ...

So the way I understand mitten's post is if LE was indeed able to obtain a warrant for a DNA swab or hair sample or both from Galloway, they would have been able to use that warranted sample only to the extent of investigating the matter outlined in the warrant (i.e., Danielle’s case, but not the sexual assault case).

But any DNA evidence that might have been collected during the investigation into Danielle's case that did not come directly from FG's body can be analyzed and entered into CODIS. If there was a match between that profile and a sample found during the investigation into the attempted rape case, along with additional eveidence (in addition to the examples mitten mentioned -and I believe someone else suggested this upthread-, it is possible that some kind of "trophy" taken from the survivor was found at the Berkely house, IMO), the DA likely would have been able to obtain a warrant for FG's arrest in the SA case.

And now that he has been ordered to submit to a court-ordered DNA test, his DNA profile (sample for which will come directly from FG's body via a swab, hair, blood, etc.) will be entered into CODIS and made available for use in any investigation.

Very smart move on the part of the Oakland County -and Wayne County- DA's offices, IMO.

 

[thekarmabus]

Was checking the inmate site to see if Floyd was bond released. They moved him to the old jail ( yes, that's their description). Also it only states kidnapping as charge... do they only place one charge in system?

http://www.waynecounty.com/sheriff/wayne-county-inmate-search.htm


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[Jvt9]

Was checking the inmate site to see if Floyd was bond released. They moved him to the old jail ( yes, that's their description). Also it only states kidnapping as charge... do they only place one charge in system?

http://www.waynecounty.com/sheriff/wayne-county-inmate-search.htm


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2 good questions (was he released on bond? & do they only list 1 charge?)

I clicked the link you provided but tried searching for him & nothing came up. [emoji848]

Looking forward to answers if anyone can verify


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[jellybean96]

2 good questions (was he released on bond? & do they only list 1 charge?)

I clicked the link you provided but tried searching for him & nothing came up. [emoji848]

Looking forward to answers if anyone can verify


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I just looked, and It shows Galloway still being in custody.

 

[thekarmabus]

2 good questions (was he released on bond? & do they only list 1 charge?)

I clicked the link you provided but tried searching for him & nothing came up. [emoji848]

Looking forward to answers if anyone can verify


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Yes, he is still in custody. They moved him though to another jail. Unsure if they only list one charge.


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[inmyhumbleopinion]

Yes, he is still in custody. They moved him though to another jail. Unsure if they only list one charge.

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The Wayne County Inmate Search page has shown only one charge since he has been in custody (even before he was moved to the Old Jail).

When I first saw it a couple of days after he was arrested, it made me wonder if the other two charges had been dropped.

As nothing to that effect was stated at the probable cause conference last week, I presume he is still charged with all three charges for which he was arrested ("kidnapping, criminal sexual conduct-assault with intent to commit sexual penetration and assault with intent to great bodily harm less than murder by strangulation").

"Hines Park sex assault suspect to return to court next month"
http://www.hometownlife.com/story/n...ccused-livonia-sexual-assault-case/440382001/

 

[Owl4]

I was traveling home from Gladwin, MI yesterday stopped at a gas station/store and Dani's missing flyer was still hanging in the window that they allowed me to put up! Much love!

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