MI MI - Danielle Stislicki, 28, Southfield, 2 Dec 2016 #12

[inmyhumbleopinion]

I've just started following this case once the arrest was made in the Hines Park case.

Is there somewhere that has a listing of what evidence/facts are known from LE and other reliable sources?

I've tried reading up on some of the earlier discussion threads, but I'm so late I feel it will take me forever to get through all 8 prior threads. I started going through them, but figured I'd ask.

Welcome to Websleuths, Husker, and thanks for joining us!

At the link is a timeline of facts one member, cuj, has kindly compiled. It is from back in January, though, so it may need some updating, but then I do not believe there was a lot that happened between then and the recent arrest of Floyd Galloway. I will try to take a look a bit later and update, if necessary:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...uthfield-2-Dec-2016-8&p=13064283#post13064283

There are lots of great people on here who are always happy to help. We understand not all of us have lots of extra time on our hands. So if you have questions, ask away. It's always good for those of us who have been following the case for a while to get a refresher on the facts, timeline, etc., anyway 😊. Thanks!

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[Huskerdoo62]

Welcome to Websleuths, Husker, and thanks for joining us!

At the link is a timeline of facts one member, cuj, has kindly compiled. It is from back in January, though, so it may need some updating, but then I do not believe there was a lot that happened between then and the recent arrest of Floyd Galloway. I will try to take a look a bit later and update, if necessary:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...uthfield-2-Dec-2016-8&p=13064283#post13064283

There are lots of great people on here who are always happy to help. We understand not all of us have lots of extra time on our hands. So if you have questions, ask away. It's always good for those of us who have been following the case for a while to get a refresher on the facts, timeline, etc., anyway . Thanks!

:welcome6:

Thank you for the link, I'll read up in a couple.

Is there anything off limits when discussing known evidence?

I am wondering about some of the things from FGs residence, but my questions would probably be disturbing for Dani's family or friends who are here. I have no desire to bring added anguish and pain.

 

[inmyhumbleopinion]

Do we know if they found clothing from Hines Park or Dani at FGs residence?

No, we do not. It's just something some of us on here are considering as potential evidence that might have helped LE establish a connection between the Hines Park and Danielle's cases.

According to one MSM source, "It's believed that DNA is a huge part of the Hines Park case, but details of the case remain sealed by the judge."
"Police look to link person of interest in Danielle Stislicki's disappearance to unsolved sex crimes"
https://www.clickondetroit.com/news...islickis-disappearance-to-unsolved-sex-crimes

The possible DNA connection between the two cases has been cited by other MSM sources as well, LE has never confirmed as a fact up to this point.

 

[Huskerdoo62]

No, we do not. It's just something some of us on here are considering as potential evidence that might have helped LE establish a connection between the Hines Park and Danielle's cases.

According to one MSM source, "It's believed that DNA is a huge part of the Hines Park case, but details of the case remain sealed by the judge."
"Police look to link person of interest in Danielle Stislicki's disappearance to unsolved sex crimes"
https://www.clickondetroit.com/news...islickis-disappearance-to-unsolved-sex-crimes

The possible DNA connection between the two cases has been cited by other MSM sources as well, LE has never confirmed as a fact up to this point.

Thanks.

DNA would be most likely since they took the mattress. They should be to determine male or female from the samples they got. His being there is a given. As would be his wife's. It's their mattress.

Unless they got a warrant for his DNA, they have had to wait until the court ordered sample to confirm it's his.

 

[inmyhumbleopinion]

Thank you for the link, I'll read up in a couple.

Is there anything off limits when discussing known evidence?

I am wondering about some of the things from FGs residence, but my questions would probably be disturbing for Dani's family or friends who are here. I have no desire to bring added anguish and pain.

At the link is a list of the rules and policies all members are expected to abide by here on WS. It is rather lengthy, but a lot of it is really common sense (e.g., "BAITING, TROLLING, INCITING CONFLICT"), IMO, so it shouldn't take forever to review. Some of the categories I find particularly important and helpful are "VICTIM FRIENDLY," "REFERENCING OUTSIDE SOURCES - 'LINKS," "VERIFIED PROFESSIONALS and CASE INSIDERS," and "SOCIAL MEDIA LINKS, e.g., FACEBOOK and TWITTER," (what is approved and what isn't):
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...iquette-amp-Information&p=2279603#post2279603

As to your specific question, I think the following paragraph from the page above does a good job of answering it:

"Websleuths is a victim friendly forum. Attacking or bashing a victim is not allowed. Discussing victim behavior, good or bad is fine, but do so in a civil and constructive way, and only when such behavior is relevant to the case."

Also

"The 'victim friendly' rule extends to the family members of victims and suspects. Sleuthing family members, friends, and others who have not been designated as suspects is not allowed. ...
That does not mean, however, that statements made by family members and other third parties cannot come into discussion as the facts of the case are reported in the media."

As you said, Danielle's family has been through so much over the last several months. And I have been truly amazed and inspired by the grace and patience her parents have shown throughout. Very, very special people, IMO, and so is Danielle, I bet.

 

[NYArtist]

How can anyone assume, what the mental condition of the poi is, when no authority or medical physician/psychiatrist, trained to know the patterns of such a condition has not made it known to the public, that the poi has a label on him identifying him as a psycho path, serial killer or just an over sexed male looking for a victim. I have heard no one come out with a medical evaluation of this man labeling him as a predator or any other labels mentioned. Until we know that this man falls into any of these categories and is diagnosed by a qualified physician, I will consider him just a suspect. Right now all he is is suspected of a crime and only one crime at this time. As most others I have my feelings on where he fits into this whole thing but it is just my opinion minus the true facts. His story may go way deeper than what any of us knows. That information may not be known until his case goes to trial.

 

[Owl4]

As for doing a search I don't believe now that Dani would be in Hines. With the few storms and Hines floods she would probably be seen. (Hated typing that) She could be anywhere. I do feel shes close either to Floyds home or MetLife. I still will join in a search. Have a great day friends

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[Bird of Paradise]

Factual guilt isn't decided by anyone--it just is. Even if LE didn't have a POI, the perp would still be factually guilty. In this case, his guilt is overwhelmingly obvious based on what we know from reliable sources (not just LE).

His guilt is overwhelmingly obvious? Reliable sources or not, IMO nothing is obvious until facts are presented in court. It may look, walk, sound like something but until someone gives me all the confirmed facts, I will leave my mind open.

I have my signature lines option turned off so I'm going to assume your are stating the above as "IMO" and not fact.

 

[Jvt9]

As for doing a search I don't believe now that Dani would be in Hines. With the few storms and Hines floods she would probably be seen. (Hated typing that) She could be anywhere. I do feel shes close either to Floyds home or MetLife. I still will join in a search. Have a great day friends

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Hate typing this also....but with the amount of time & weather that's gone by, if she was exposed to the many elements, I don't believe there'd be much left to "be seen," sadly. IMO, I don't think it'll be anything blatantly obvious. I still will search, for her, her personal effects, I don't know why & I obviously could be completely wrong, but I just have a gut feeling about Hines. I'm a lifelong case follower, & she's from my hometown, only a few years younger than me. Me & my friends say "you never know, this could be any of us.." & I'd want people to go to the end of the earth for me/answers/justice/peace for my family.
#finddani


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[Bird of Paradise]

Hate typing this also....but with the amount of time & weather that's gone by, if she was exposed to the many elements, I don't believe there'd be much left to "be seen," sadly. IMO, I don't think it'll be anything blatantly obvious. I still will search, for her, her personal effects, I don't know why & I obviously could be completely wrong, but I just have a gut feeling about Hines. I'm a lifelong case follower, & she's from my hometown, only a few years younger than me. Me & my friends say "you never know, this could be any of us.." & I'd want people to go to the end of the earth for me/answers/justice/peace for my family.
#finddani

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BBM

You bring up a very good point. I've never been involved in a search but I'm guessing those who organize them do give the searchers clues of what to look for. But what about good-natured volunteers that are not organized by a search group. I might pass by something and not know what I am seeing. Apologies for the graphic nature of this post but I feel it's important for anyone thinking of looking on their own to know what they shoud be keeping an eye out for.

 

[Huskerdoo62]

Here's the question I was wondering about earlier (hoping this is ok to ask)...

About the floor boards that were removed. Does anyone know what room they were removed from and how much of an area was taken?

They would presumably take a larger portion than necessary to preserve any evidence that might only be available from underneath.

 

[Bird of Paradise]

Here's the question I was wondering about earlier (hoping this is ok to ask)...

About the floor boards that were removed. Does anyone know what room they were removed from and how much of an area was taken?

They would presumably take a larger portion than necessary to preserve any evidence that might only be available from underneath.

We only know and can discuss what was reported on by acceptable sources (per TOS) such as LE or MSM.

So whatever you find in the timeline/media thread or online media/LE sources is all we know too. And to my knowledge the information you are asking about has never been disclosed.

Welcome!

 

[Huskerdoo62]

We only know and can discuss what was reported on by acceptable sources (per TOS) such as LE or MSM.

So whatever you find in the timeline/media thread or online media/LE sources is all we know too. And to my knowledge the information you are asking about has never been disclosed.

Welcome!

Ok thanks.

 

[monster12]

There has been some discussion about DNA, felony arrests, and building DNA profiles. I know most of us already know this, but I just wanted to post it again based on an article I saw resurface today about a different case. I feel the article explains the process quite well on how it worked and I added additional notes below. I know I'm repeating what has already been talked about, but I thought this article/example was helpful.
http://www.monroenews.com/news/20160727/heres-how-theft-yielded-crucial-clue-in-chelsea-bruck-case

Today the person (Daniel Clay) that killed Chelsea Bruck in Oct. 2014 from Monroe, MI was sentenced (life in prison, no parole). Her body and clothing were found in the spring of 2015. At the time Chelsea's costume was found, evidence was extracted from the costume and a DNA profile was developed, but there were no matches in the system. A new Michigan law as of July 2015 " allows police to collect DNA evidence upon arrest rather than a conviction."
In May 2016, Clay was arrested for the theft of tattoo equipment, which was a felony. Mr. Clay’s genetic profile was gathered during that arrest and he was connected to DNA found on her outfit.

(If the law wasn't changed and a conviction was needed for DNA, then he probably would still be out free (IMO). During the press conference today, LE said the tattoo theft case was dropped because witnesses wouldn't come forward or something like that. The "arrest" for committing a felony act is what got him "caught" and matched in the system.)

Although Mr. Clay has a long history of criminal activity that dates back years, he never was convicted of a felony. So his DNA wasn’t in the system.... That sample matched the one from the costume, which had been stored in the national database waiting to be matched ever since the clothes were recovered.
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Soooo....now that Floyd has been arrested for a felony (Hines Park), will his DNA match to anything being stored in the database that hasn't had a match in days, months, or years? I have always believed that in Chelsea's case and in Dani's, the person would mess up again and get caught. In this case, the "last person to be seen with her"/whatever you want to call him, has been "caught" for an incident prior to December....looking forward to information that will start coming out that hopefully ties some things together.

 

[thesaint]

isn't the operative DNA question: "did they find Dani's DNA in FG's house?" and not "did they find FG's DNA in FG's house". I don't think the police doubt that Dani and FG were together in his house that day. For whatever reason ,they don't seem to have a narrative of what transpired beyond that. Or at least not one that they are sharing/acting on to date. Cuz if the house in Berkeley were a violent crime scene, with DS's blood splattered on walls, furniture etc, I think they'd have arrested FG for Dani's disappearance months back, esp if they in fact have an eye witness who saw them together near/at that location on that day.

If they did a good job preserving and then processing Dani's jeep, finding FG's DNA in her jeep--esp around the steering column/driver's side area--could have some probative impact. Tho FG could pass that off as "yeah, I jumped in her jeep to chat a time or three when we both worked at MetLife. No big deal."


Also, I wonder to what extent police can use DNA profiles from a processed evidence scene. Cuz based on what they took out of FG's house, they most likely already had FG's complete DNA sequence months back--the labs can take an anonymous DNA sample and extract gender/race etc. So the police prolly were already ahead of the game in terms of using what they 99% figured was FG's DNA to compare to non-DS DNA from DS's jeep etc ---prior to FG having to give up his DNA post felony arrest.

I wonder if that's the cross-case evidence they used to build the case against FG in the Hines Park attack. Tho I don't know if they'd have been able to get an arrest warrant based on originally anonymous DNA from DS's case that they sorted out was FG's DNA that matched DNA samples in the Hines Park case.

 

[DakotaMayi]

Factual guilt isn't decided by anyone--it just is. Even if LE didn't have a POI, the perp would still be factually guilty. In this case, his guilt is overwhelmingly obvious based on what we know from reliable sources (not just LE).

Painfully so

 

[DakotaMayi]

I wish they could find her. I hate to think of her not found. She loves her family so much, to be apart is just awful

 

[Huskerdoo62]

isn't the operative DNA question: "did they find Dani's DNA in FG's house?" and not "did they find FG's DNA in FG's house". I don't think the police doubt that Dani and FG were together in his house that day. For whatever reason ,they don't seem to have a narrative of what transpired beyond that. Or at least not one that they are sharing/acting on to date. Cuz if the house in Berkeley were a violent crime scene, with DS's blood splattered on walls, furniture etc, I think they'd have arrested FG for Dani's disappearance months back, esp if they in fact have an eye witness who saw them together near/at that location on that day.

If they did a good job preserving and then processing Dani's jeep, finding FG's DNA in her jeep--esp around the steering column/driver's side area--could have some probative impact. Tho FG could pass that off as "yeah, I jumped in her jeep to chat a time or three when we both worked at MetLife. No big deal."


Also, I wonder to what extent police can use DNA profiles from a processed evidence scene. Cuz based on what they took out of FG's house, they most likely already had FG's complete DNA sequence months back--the labs can take an anonymous DNA sample and extract gender/race etc. So the police prolly were already ahead of the game in terms of using what they 99% figured was FG's DNA to compare to non-DS DNA from DS's jeep etc ---prior to FG having to give up his DNA post felony arrest.

I wonder if that's the cross-case evidence they used to build the case against FG in the Hines Park attack. Tho I don't know if they'd have been able to get an arrest warrant based on originally anonymous DNA from DS's case that they sorted out was FG's DNA that matched DNA samples in the Hines Park case.

This is why it always made sense to me as to why they took the mattress. At the end of the day, the two DNA profiles LE should get from it are the home owners. It's the case for anyone. Your DNA is gonna be on your bed.

Now can they conclusively say it's FGs DNA they found on that bed without a direct sample of his, not really. A lawyer would argue you can tell it's male, the race and such, but without a direct sample from FG to compare it to, you can't definitely say it's his. That's where the sample taken due to his arrest comes in. They now have a known sample of his DNA. LE will want every lined up perfect, nothing to chance.

It was wondering about the floorboards because if they were found in the kitchen, it wouldn't be that unusual to find some blood there, at least to me. You'd find some if you checked my floor from times I cut myself cooking. Nothing too huge, but you'd find blood if you tested for it.

LE doing due diligence, found it, took it to test it.

 

[thekarmabus]

It just occurred to me... a few months ago someone popped into this board... think it was a name stephjo ... anyhow was an odd post saying the SG was a serial killer that there were other victims... how he lured them at rush hour, single women no kids... I think there was even a mention of Hines drive. Unfortunately I believe the post went poof... but looking back it's like wow... definitely someone involved in the case .


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[DakotaMayi]

It just occurred to me... a few months ago someone popped into this board... think it was a name stephjo ... anyhow was an odd post saying the SG was a serial killer that there were other victims... how he lured them at rush hour, single women no kids... I think there was even a mention of Hines drive. Unfortunately I believe the post went poof... but looking back it's like wow... definitely someone involved in the case .


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I remember seeing a post about Hines Park too! Glad I wasn't just imagining it.