MI MI - Jessica Heeringa, 25, Norton Shores, 26 April 2013 #5

[jenstar]

Maybe that's what the perp is waiting for. LE to calm down so that whomever has Jess can just drop her off somewhere without getting his neck caught.

 

[Eileen730]

I do not think she is going to return alive!
I think this was personal!

JMO

 

[Portabella]

Another Friday night goes by with nothing... three weeks in... I fear there is so much more to this then the police even know... I think much is not what it seems... I fear for her... her poor family.... IMHO

 

[Treelights]

I do not think she is going to return alive!
I think this was personal!

JMO

At this point now, being 3 weeks missing, I do agree with you, on both points you made.

 

[Treelights]

If Jessica owed someone money, I would think they would have taken her purse with the 400 plus dollars in it....unless she had More money in her purse that was given , for whatever reason, to the perp, before she was taken. And please don't say Occam's Razor....this is a thought, and to discount different thoughts is not thinking outside of the box, and sometimes thinking "outside of the box" can help a case. In My Opinion Only....
Coming up with different scenerios might actually help generate ideas at this point.....

 

[SteveP]

If Jessica owed someone money, I would think they would have taken her purse with the 400 plus dollars in it....unless she had More money in her purse that was given , for whatever reason, to the perp, before she was taken. And please don't say Occam's Razor....this is a thought, and to discount different thoughts is not thinking outside of the box, and sometimes thinking "outside of the box" can help a case. In My Opinion Only....
Coming up with different scenerios might actually help generate ideas at this point.....

I have to admit, I often cringe when I see people use Occam's Razor to try to shoot down thoughts here. If the least complex answer was always the answer, these cases would not still be unsolved weeks, months, and sometimes years after they occur. JMO


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[imamaze]

If Jessica owed someone money, I would think they would have taken her purse with the 400 plus dollars in it....unless she had More money in her purse that was given , for whatever reason, to the perp, before she was taken. And please don't say Occam's Razor....this is a thought, and to discount different thoughts is not thinking outside of the box, and sometimes thinking "outside of the box" can help a case. In My Opinion Only....
Coming up with different scenerios might actually help generate ideas at this point.....

I quoted your post but this is for everyone discussing this case, not just you Treelights :hug:. Just want to clarify what is and isn't allowed at this point.

We can speculate or give an opinion on what we think could have happened only with what we know through law enforcement and main stream media. Thinking outside the box is limited to that here. Rumor is not allowed. Discussing the victim in a negative way without any thing to go on is not allowed. We have nothing to show Jessica owed anyone any money so that isn't discussable.

I know its frustrating since we're not getting a lot of info at this point but we can only discuss what is known at this time.

Ima

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

SH wasn't telling JH that she'd be there for J's child until JH returned. She told J to be there for her child. Doesn't make sense. Anyway, may just be an awkward sentence spoken in a time of duress.

Some of the points I make is because they're stuck in head and they've been pointed out in earlier cases here on WS. In previous cases, there were language and body language experts. One of the observations made was when peeps refer to a missing person in the past tense. The experts picked up on that and suggested it might mean something. I'm not making this stuff up or trying to point fingers at anybody but I notice and post it. I learned on WS that language used may be an unconscious clue or a slip up. If people are in the habit of talking that way (use tense incorrectly), it may be as simple as that and mean nothing.

I know exactly what Jessica's mother meant by the statement: That Jessica needs to come home so that she (Jessica) can be there for her son. Makes perfect sense to me. No confusion about it and not reading anything into it that isn't there.

If you're referring to "statement analysis" as a means of detecting deceit in things that people say, it's more a pseudo-science like handwriting analysis. Statement analysis is sometimes used as a baseline tool for determining the quality of peoples' comments, conversations, interviews, but similarly to polygraphs, the results are not admissible in court. When using statement analysis as an investigative tool, much has to be known about the individual whose language patterns are being scrutinized. Many factors must be considered: Regions where the individual has lived, level of intelligence and education, whether or not the person is bilingual, has language, learning or speech problems, etc.

If you're familiar with the JonBenet Ramsey case, several experts in linguistics dissected the lengthy ransom letter and had different interpretations about who might have written it and what the content of the letter meant. I remember reading and hearing these experts comment on the notorious ransom letter ad nauseam but no one ever determined exactly who wrote it or what it meant.

:moo:

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

I do not think she is going to return alive!
I think this was personal!

JMO

Sadly, I agree. While we don't know how much blood was found, that Jessica's blood was found at the scene of the abduction indicates that some type of struggle ensued as Jessica was being taken against her will. If she struggled then, Jessica more than likely continued her efforts to escape the perpetrator. I don't have a good feeling about this.

 

[cluciano63]

Sadly, I agree. While we don't know how much blood was found, that Jessica's blood was found at the scene of the abduction indicates that some type of struggle ensued as Jessica was being taken against her will. If she struggled then, Jessica more than likely continued her efforts to escape the perpetrator. I don't have a good feeling about this.

I agree, the blood is the factor for me in that she was not talked into going with someone she knew based on a phony emergency story or something like that. I think she was either punched in the nose to stun her, or ended up with a bloody nose in a struggle, something like that. If he was willing to injure her, that does not speak well for her future.

 

[cluciano63]

Just noticed in the case of missing Nichole Cable, a vehicle description is being given out as she was apparently seen getting into a vehicle...and yet ground searches are being conducted, for what it is worth,..

 

[Treelights]

http://fox17online.com/2013/05/17/jessica-heeringa-scam-suspect-confronted/#axzz2TfAS1BA0

"NORTON SHORES, Mich.- Two women are accused of soliciting money for Jessica Heeringa’s son and police say they are pocketing the money.

Roosevelt Park Police Chief David Boone says, “She went from customer to customer asking for donations- several of the people did give her some money.”

Neither of the women are affiliated with the Herringa Family."



Read more: http://fox17online.com/2013/05/17/jessica-heeringa-scam-suspect-confronted/#ixzz2TfB5BlHC

 

[Treelights]

http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/muskegon_county/cleared-jessica-heeringa-person-of-interest

"'They asked me if I took' Heeringa"
He said he was called to the police station the night after Heeringa disappeared and was questioned as a person of interest.

"They asked if I took her somewhere. They asked if I knew who did,"

There is a video on this link where JA is talking about the police questioning him.

 

[Seajay]

http://fox17online.com/2013/05/17/jessica-heeringa-scam-suspect-confronted/#axzz2TfAS1BA0

"NORTON SHORES, Mich.- Two women are accused of soliciting money for Jessica Heeringa’s son and police say they are pocketing the money.

Roosevelt Park Police Chief David Boone says, “She went from customer to customer asking for donations- several of the people did give her some money.”

Neither of the women are affiliated with the Herringa Family."



Read more: http://fox17online.com/2013/05/17/jessica-heeringa-scam-suspect-confronted/#ixzz2TfB5BlHC

These cases just bring out the worst in people. <smh>

 

[absentia]

Another Friday night goes by with nothing... three weeks in... I fear there is so much more to this then the police even know... I think much is not what it seems... I fear for her... her poor family.... IMHO

I agree completely. there is more going on and things are not as they seem.
very Twin Peaks.

 

[absentia]

I know exactly what Jessica's mother meant by the statement: That Jessica needs to come home so that she (Jessica) can be there for her son. Makes perfect sense to me. No confusion about it and not reading anything into it that isn't there.

If you're referring to "statement analysis" as a means of detecting deceit in things that people say, it's more a pseudo-science like handwriting analysis. Statement analysis is sometimes used as a baseline tool for determining the quality of peoples' comments, conversations, interviews, but similarly to polygraphs, the results are not admissible in court. When using statement analysis as an investigative tool, much has to be known about the individual whose language patterns are being scrutinized. Many factors must be considered: Regions where the individual has lived, level of intelligence and education, whether or not the person is bilingual, has language, learning or speech problems, etc.

If you're familiar with the JonBenet Ramsey case, several experts in linguistics dissected the lengthy ransom letter and had different interpretations about who might have written it and what the content of the letter meant. I remember reading and hearing these experts comment on the notorious ransom letter ad nauseam but no one ever determined exactly who wrote it or what it meant.

:moo:

I just think it's a way of telling her to stay strong - to remember what's important. to not give in to despair and stay strong so she can be there for her son. to keep fighting. not to allow herself to be removed permanently out of despair.

 

[goldenbear]

Holidays are the hardest time to be without a family member. I hope Chief Dan Shaw gives us an update today as we all try to find Jessica.

 

[WideOpen]

I agree completely. there is more going on and things are not as they seem.
very Twin Peaks.

I do not understand, can you safely give me some examples of what seems "off" to you in your opinion that leads you to speculate that "things are not as they appear?

I guess I am not a very good thinker outside the box. I try to learn from all the posters here and see things from other peoples perspective.

And I am posing this to all posters. Thank you.

 

[CatFancier]

I do not understand, can you safely give me some examples of what seems "off" to you in your opinion that leads you to speculate that "things are not as they appear?

I guess I am not a very good thinker outside the box. I try to learn from all the posters here and see things from other peoples perspective.

And I am posing this to all posters. Thank you.

I would say that the police believe she's alive (no indication of that), that the sketch is a 10 out of 10 and maybe that so many remain on the task force with not much info. There also isn't that sense of urgency and panic like in other cases.

This speaks to me that they know who has her and are waiting for their moment.

:twocents:

 

[cluciano63]

If LE knew who has her and where, they would not hesitate. Who knows what might be happening to her?
But I don't believe they do know.