MI MI - Jessica Heeringa, 25, Norton Shores, 26 April 2013 #6

[Treelights]

I know that Jessica's parents are estranged and that she lived with her dad for a while in Muskegon, but has Jessica's father ever talked to the media about her disappearance? I don't recall seeing him speak or even reading comments from him about his daughter's disappearance.

Video and article about Jessica's dad at this link.....

http://fox17online.com/2013/05/13/e...own-with-jessica-heeringas-dad/#axzz2TGxCo0nf

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Many thanks to everyone who has voted in the What happened to Jessica Heeringa? poll. I realize that the results are not scientific, but the poll is a good barometer of what folks are thinking with regard to Jessica's disappearance.

If you haven't voted yet, here's the link:

What happened to Jessica Heeringa? - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

You don't have to be a member of Websleuths to cast your vote.

 

[margarita25]

Foggy, haven't had my coffee, but want to post while my thoughts are fresh.

Last night as I drifted off to sleep I was reminded of the blood found at the scene, and how Jessica must have been forcefully removed from the location. What she possibly endured after this can't be good. I'm afraid I think a very dangerous and violent sexual predator is responsible for Jessica's disappearance, and so far has gone undetected (he may or may not already be an RSO). He will do this again and again and again. I believe a strong key may be linking another case(s).

Did we ever get the latest psychological profile of the suspect that LE was outsourcing a few weeks back?

I'm going with an older perp (unusual for me because it seems the perps are younger and younger these days). More than one? Not sure, but guessing a single perp.

I don't want us to give up here even though it seems like we have nothing else to go on; there has gooot to be something here we can work with. There were numerous potential search locations brought up in the early days of Jessica's thread, and I think it is worthwhile for us to go back and take a look at these locations. If the perp fits the profile I have in mind, it is very likely he disposed of her within a fairly close radius that night (as often happens in other cases). I'm going with 100 miles. I was able to guestimate Kathlynn Shepard's location within a couple of a miles, as well as locations relating to Jessica Ridgeway, so I'm going to try to have confidence in myself and pursue these instincts.

Last night I saw an episode of "Disappeared". It was about an attorney, Royal "Scoop" Daniel III who disappeared from his office in Breckenridge, CO. (I heard a term I hadn't heard before from this episode: "Forensic Accountant"). The investigators made four categories (1. Will full Disappearance 2. Foul Play 3. Injured somewhere 4. Forgot the other one, lol). Anyway, all facts uncovered were placed under one of these 4 categories. Some categories started to fill up more than others (foul play and willful disappearance). While its obvious obvious obvious foul play is involved here, I would like to implement this categorical approach somehow. Perhaps in relation to profiling our suspect or determining Jessica's location? (Brainstorming)

Re: the perp, there were discussions of construction and factory workers, etc. Where I'm stuck is if this perp is local to the area or not. More than likely he may have visited the store before, but there is the possibility that he was passing by and committed a crime of opportunity.

I mentioned a while back I got this awesome high tech mapping software; unfortunately I've had trouble getting it to execute. Calling tech support now. (Everytime I wanted to call them it was the middle of the night or the weekend. It's Monday morning. Perfect!)

The brazenness of this crime, I think, gives clues as to her possible location. She is somewhere out there, her son and family need closure, I am not going to stop looking for this young lady.

I am reminded of LE's misinformation re: Terrilynn Monette that traffic cams confirmed her turning left on Marconi.

Just for the record, I read the witness's account (co-worker and husband) first hand, and I believe her story. My opinion is that there is no hinkiness there.

This is all JMO, I could be wrong about a lot of stuff, anything is possible.

 

[margarita25]

Many thanks to everyone who has voted in the What happened to Jessica Heeringa? poll. I realize that the results are not scientific, but the poll is a good barometer of what folks are thinking with regard to Jessica's disappearance.

If you haven't voted yet, here's the link:

What happened to Jessica Heeringa? - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

You don't have to be a member of Websleuths to cast your vote.

"She's got BetteDavisEyes"

 

[margarita25]

Then again, there are a lot of local RSO suspects, or one's possibly known to her, aren't there?
:banghead:

 

[margarita25]

Here's a link to Jessica's first thread for any of you just joining us, and for those who want to go back and take a look at potential search locations, proifiles, RSO's, etc. that were initially brought up...Just because there was vehicle involved doesn't mean there should not be ground searches; I just don't understand the lack of grid searches.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=207185

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Then again, there are a lot of local RSO suspects, or one's possibly known to her, aren't there?
:banghead:

Several peeps here spent a lot of time researching RSOs in Norton Shores and neighboring communities. LE also questioned some local RSOs and didn't come up with anything significant. LE believes that Jessica most likely knew or was at least acquainted with her abductor who might or might not be a sex offender - registered or otherwise.

 

[margarita25]

Several peeps here spent a lot of time researching RSOs in Norton Shores and neighboring communities. LE also questioned some local RSOs and didn't come up with anything significant. LE believes that Jessica most likely knew or was at least acquainted with her abductor who might or might not be a sex offender - registered or otherwise.

Indeed. I was one of those peeps, I actually have some of their names and addresses memorized, lol. While LE questioned them, LE has also mentioned that certain names "keep coming up in their investigation". There are also some RSOs we are not allowed to discuss here. There are some RSOs in the area who resemble the sketch quite a bit. As far as LE saying that Jessica most likely knew her abductor, this is speculation IMO. There are no facts to support this statement, at least that I've seen released. This doesn't mean I don't think this is possible bc it is entirely possible, but I'm just saying what fact is there that she knew her abductor?

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Here's a link to Jessica's first thread for any of you just joining us, and for those who want to go back and take a look at potential search locations, proifiles, etc. that were initially brought up...Just because there was vehicle involved doesn't mean there should not be ground searches; I just don't understand the lack of grid searches.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=207185

Me neither. We can't consider posts on Find Jessica Heeringa FB site as factual and/or reliable, so I'm going to paraphrase what I've read on the site. When supporters have asked why there haven't been ground searches, canine searches, etc., administrators respond by saying that the family/friends of Jessica are holding onto hope that she is alive and will be coming home. It seems that grid searches would suggest that LE is looking for a body, and the family/friends are reluctant to consider that at this juncture.

I would have agreed with this in the early weeks following Jessica's disappearance, but after seven weeks, it's time to consider that the young mother is not alive and probably won't be coming home. She needs to be found so her family can find out what happened to her, who is responsible, and find some peace and closure in their lives. :moo:

 

[margarita25]

Me neither. We can't consider posts on Find Jessica Heeringa FB site as factual and/or reliable, so I'm going to paraphrase what I've read on the site. When supporters have asked why there haven't been ground searches, canine searches, etc., administrators respond by saying that the family/friends of Jessica are holding onto hope that she is alive and will be coming home. It seems that grid searches would suggest that LE is looking for a body, and the family/friends are reluctant to consider that at this juncture.

I would have agreed with this in the early weeks following Jessica's disappearance, but after seven weeks, it's time to consider that the young mother is not alive and probably won't be coming home. She needs to be found so her family can find out what happened to her, who is responsible, and find some peace and closure in their lives. :moo:

Thanks for your input on this. Any kind of evidence can be uncovered in a grid search, blood, tracks, clothing, etc...for all we know she could have been held in a cabin somewhere...

I see you are in Michigan Miss Bette; are you close to Norton Shores?

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Thanks for your input on this. Any kind of evidence can be uncovered in a grid search, blood, tracks, clothing, etc...for all we know she could have been held in a cabin somewhere...

I see you are in Michigan Miss Bette; are you close to Norton Shores?

I live north of Detroit in Oakland County, but I have been to Grand Rapids many times. In one of my earliest posts on the JH board, I mentioned that my DH and I stayed at the Fairfield Inn in Norton Shores. We had been in the Muskegon area to see a school play and wanted to get started on our trip home that would have taken 3.5 hours. We had driven there earlier in the day and didn't want to drive all the way home late at night. Norton Shores gave us about an hour jump start on our return trip the following day. Coincidently, about a week later we met a couple from Norton Shores on a cruise ship.

 

[Flutterby80]

I would have agreed with this in the early weeks following Jessica's disappearance, but after seven weeks, it's time to consider that the young mother is not alive and probably won't be coming home. She needs to be found so her family can find out what happened to her, who is responsible, and find some peace and closure in their lives. :moo:

If my sister was kidnapped, I would want EVERY available resource used to find her. What if there is evidence laying around close by that could lead to the kidnapper? I just cannot understand discounting any possible help. It makes no sense. Who says searchers can only look for a body? Maybe other evidence has been dumped and is just sitting around, degrading, waiting to be found. I can almost understand....almost...the family reacting this way. But for LE to go along with it? They are being negligent IMO.

 

[Flutterby80]

Indeed. I was one of those peeps, I actually have some of their names and addresses memorized, lol. While LE questioned them, LE has also mentioned that certain names "keep coming up in their investigation". There are also some RSOs we are not allowed to discuss here. There are some RSOs in the area who resemble the sketch quite a bit. As far as LE saying that Jessica most likely knew her abductor, this is speculation IMO. There are no facts to support this statement, at least that I've seen released. This doesn't mean I don't think this is possible bc it is entirely possible, but I'm just saying what fact is there that she knew her abductor?

It's odd that we can't discuss one RSO in particular who has very close ties with the family. I would like to know why some RSOs are off limits while others are not. Can anyone explain? TIA

 

[Treelights]

It's odd that we can't discuss one RSO in particular who has very close ties with the family. I would like to know why some RSOs are off limits while others are not. Can anyone explain? TIA

In My Opinion....it could be a "conflict of interest" perhaps?

 

[Flutterby80]

In My Opinion....it could be a "conflict of interest" perhaps?

I see what you're saying, but it seems wrong for 3 reasons. First, an RSO is an RSO , no matter who he acquaints himself with. And, most crimes of this nature are committed by people known to the victim. Also, and sorry if this comes off as harsh, but if you welcome an RSO into your family circle, you better be prepared for him to be scrutinized if anything happens to one of your kids. We do it all the time over in the Spotlight on Children thread. I don't see the difference.

 

[cluciano63]

Since LE cannot find a van, or even figure out for sure what the exact model or year are, I have no reason to believe they have any special knowledge that she "knew" her kidnapper in any way.

 

[Treelights]

I see what you're saying, but it seems wrong for 3 reasons. First, an RSO is an RSO , no matter who he acquaints himself with. And, most crimes of this nature are committed by people known to the victim. Also, and sorry if this comes off as harsh, but if you welcome an RSO into your family circle, you better be prepared for him to be scrutinized if anything happens to one of your kids. We do it all the time over in the Spotlight on Children thread. I don't see the difference.

I definitely see where you are coming from, and when I said a "conflict of interest" I meant on Websleuths, but then you are saying that in the Spotlight for Children thread on Websleuths it is allowed to discuss a RSO in the family circle there?
I would then like to know can we discuss ANY RSO on this particular thread for Jessica? Or are you saying, that you know we can't discuss this particular RSO?
I, too, am a bit confused about this, too.

 

[Flutterby80]

I definitely see where you are coming from, and when I said a "conflict of interest" I meant on Websleuths, but then you are saying that in the Spotlight for Children thread on Websleuths it is allowed to discuss a RSO in the family circle there?
I would then like to know can we discuss ANY RSO on this particular thread for Jessica? Or are you saying, that you know we can't discuss this particular RSO?
I, too, am a bit confused about this, too.

Maybe we are allowed on the children's forum because the RSOs are POI? I don't think they always are though. Wasn't Hailey Dunn's stepdad the topic of conversation from the get-go? Was he named as a POI by the police? I can't remember.

What about Brittney Wood? Has there not been much discussion of the criminals in her family? Her story is on the Missing Forum.

I am confused about the whole thing. Maybe a mod can explain

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Since LE cannot find a van, or even figure out for sure what the exact model or year are, I have no reason to believe they have any special knowledge that she "knew" her kidnapper in any way.

My interpretation of "she knew her abductor": The perp was a semi-regular customer at the Exxon station who stopped there to fill up his gas tank, buy a pack of cigarettes, grab a soda or a cuppa coffee. He and Jessica might have exchanged pleasantries when he paid for the smokes and java, but she might not have even known his name unless he used a credit card. :moo:

 

[cluciano63]

My interpretation of "she knew her abductor": The perp was a semi-regular customer at the Exxon station who stopped there to fill up his gas tank, buy a pack of cigarettes, grab a soda or a cuppa coffee. He and Jessica might have exchanged pleasantries when he paid for the smokes and java, but she might not have even known his name unless he used a credit card. :moo:

But how could LE even assume this much? I think she would have gone outside to help any customer who asked her, even if she did not know them.