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snipped from article (see bessie's post #83) explanation of Rear Naked Choke hold: http://breakingmuscle.com/martial-a...choke-or-what-happens-when-you-get-choked-out
--If you train Brazilian jiu jitsu (BJJ), chances are you’ve been on the receiving end of a rear naked choke (RNC).
--And Dr. Charlie noted that, “All subjects regained consciousness without any lasting deficit or injury.”
This indicates to me that a person can be strangulated without leaving signs, and needs to weapon other than hands. Am I wrong?We had many posts made about that same time, starting about #77 and discussed how asphyxiation or strangulation could occur without leaving marks. Too tired to go through them all right now, though.
Also from bessie's post #83: http://ymaa.com/articles/use-neck-cranks-or-chokes-to-fight-an-adversary
--By restricting the blood flow in those arteries, you can impede the oxygen flow to the brain. After a short time in an oxygen-depressed state, the brain effectively goes to sleep. A carotid choke is relatively safe because if you let off shortly after the other guy loses consciousness, he should revive.
--You can stop or restrict the flow of air to the lungs by compressing the trachea. This causes suffocation, a condition that if left untreated will rapidly lead to unconsciousness, brain damage, and death.
--Be subtle when applying a choke, do not make your intentions known (paraphrased)
An attack to the neck is perceived as life threatening. While you might be choking to knock the other guy out, he is bound to think you are intent on killing him. Once he feels the choke, he is going to switch on his “fight or flight” reflex immediately and instinctively. You’ll be in for a wild ride. You need to be sneaky and subtle. Not showing your intent until it is too late is the key to getting a successful choke or crank begun.
Once it’s on properly, an untrained opponent will very unlikely get away from your technique until you choose to release him. An important ingredient in successful choking is control. In most cases, this means controlling your opponent’s hips with your legs. If you have a solid hold, he cannot buck you off of him or find some way to squirm away and break your chokehold.
In a standing choke, this might simply mean dragging him backward so that he cannot get his feet under him or achieve any leverage to take the pressure off and continue the fight. In groundwork, that typically means controlling his hips with your legs.
Perhaps none of these techniques would leave signs of asphyxiation/suffocation?
Asphyxiation and suffocation are terms often used interchangeably. I don't put a lot into Julia's death being attributed to one or the other for that reason. However, there is a technical difference. Do we need to be that specific here? I don't know. If so, asphyxiation would seem to involve a chemical being applied and suffocation would be cutting off the air supply. If a chemical was applied over her face that "knocked her out", it is likely that there would be no marks to indicate,= == and possibly it would not show up on a tox report?
[h=3]What's the difference between "asphyxiation" and "suffocation"? http://www.ehss.vt.edu/detail_pages/faq_details.php?faq_id=140
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Asphyxiation can occur when a substance, such as carbon dioxide, interferes with the oxygenization of tissue. Suffocation can occur when the air supply to the body is blocked from entering the body. Unfortunately, the results can be the same - death.
--If you train Brazilian jiu jitsu (BJJ), chances are you’ve been on the receiving end of a rear naked choke (RNC).
--And Dr. Charlie noted that, “All subjects regained consciousness without any lasting deficit or injury.”
This indicates to me that a person can be strangulated without leaving signs, and needs to weapon other than hands. Am I wrong?We had many posts made about that same time, starting about #77 and discussed how asphyxiation or strangulation could occur without leaving marks. Too tired to go through them all right now, though.
Also from bessie's post #83: http://ymaa.com/articles/use-neck-cranks-or-chokes-to-fight-an-adversary
--By restricting the blood flow in those arteries, you can impede the oxygen flow to the brain. After a short time in an oxygen-depressed state, the brain effectively goes to sleep. A carotid choke is relatively safe because if you let off shortly after the other guy loses consciousness, he should revive.
--You can stop or restrict the flow of air to the lungs by compressing the trachea. This causes suffocation, a condition that if left untreated will rapidly lead to unconsciousness, brain damage, and death.
--Be subtle when applying a choke, do not make your intentions known (paraphrased)
An attack to the neck is perceived as life threatening. While you might be choking to knock the other guy out, he is bound to think you are intent on killing him. Once he feels the choke, he is going to switch on his “fight or flight” reflex immediately and instinctively. You’ll be in for a wild ride. You need to be sneaky and subtle. Not showing your intent until it is too late is the key to getting a successful choke or crank begun.
Once it’s on properly, an untrained opponent will very unlikely get away from your technique until you choose to release him. An important ingredient in successful choking is control. In most cases, this means controlling your opponent’s hips with your legs. If you have a solid hold, he cannot buck you off of him or find some way to squirm away and break your chokehold.
In a standing choke, this might simply mean dragging him backward so that he cannot get his feet under him or achieve any leverage to take the pressure off and continue the fight. In groundwork, that typically means controlling his hips with your legs.
Perhaps none of these techniques would leave signs of asphyxiation/suffocation?
Asphyxiation and suffocation are terms often used interchangeably. I don't put a lot into Julia's death being attributed to one or the other for that reason. However, there is a technical difference. Do we need to be that specific here? I don't know. If so, asphyxiation would seem to involve a chemical being applied and suffocation would be cutting off the air supply. If a chemical was applied over her face that "knocked her out", it is likely that there would be no marks to indicate,= == and possibly it would not show up on a tox report?
[h=3]What's the difference between "asphyxiation" and "suffocation"? http://www.ehss.vt.edu/detail_pages/faq_details.php?faq_id=140
[/h]
Asphyxiation can occur when a substance, such as carbon dioxide, interferes with the oxygenization of tissue. Suffocation can occur when the air supply to the body is blocked from entering the body. Unfortunately, the results can be the same - death.
