MI MI - Julia Niswender, 23, EMU student, Ypsilanti, 10 Dec 2012 - #5

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On Dec. 13, 2014, disposable latex gloves found on her bedroom floor were submitted to the Michigan State Police's Crime Lab and it was later determined that male DNA was inside of the gloves. According to the lab results, two different male "DNA donors" were discovered within the gloves. Turnquist's DNA was not a match for one of the samples and the other was too weak for comparison and could only be described as belonging to a male.

It is my understanding that there would be two seperate areas of DNA.

I think the number one reason why this case went cold, and was never solved is because of all focus being placed on the step farther; who has been nothing more then a destraction.

There's no evidence here that suggest that she knew her murderer, or that is was someone in her small circle.
 
There's was no one else there during Julia's presumed time of death late Sunday into early Monday, IIRC. Her roommates were away for most of the weekend.

Am I making this up, or didn't one of the roomies stop by over that time period to pick up clothes...and heard the loud TV?
 
It is my understanding that there would be two seperate areas of DNA.

I think the number one reason why this case went cold, and was never solved is because of all focus being placed on the step farther; who has been nothing more then a destraction.

There's no evidence here that suggest that she knew her murderer, or that is was someone in her small circle.

Step-father aside, I believe the speculation was that she knew the Perp as there were no signs of forced entry.
 
If Julia had rebuffed previous advances and had been known by the perp to have been dating others, that could account for the jealousy. But why would she let him in (if she was the one to open the door)? Because he had a close connection to her family, perhaps. Someone she would have to continue to be around. Perhaps a relative, friend to a relative, or a friend she liked but did not want a romantic relationship with. Sh may not have known the depths of his “desire”. Just some thoughts, I have no real clue.

I wonder if she ever felt she was being stalked.....

This is a very good question. Her twin would know most likely. I have always wondered if it were some odd misfit from her work who became obsessed.
 
Rape doesn't fit... But was an act of humiliation.. Don't know, I am not Ypsilanti police. I just gave thoughts that nobody considered before. Still my original theory was bone marrow transplant.


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I agree 100% with humiliation and punishment. She was left in a horrible manner. (Apologies to even bring that up).
 
Am I making this up, or didn't one of the roomies stop by over that time period to pick up clothes...and heard the loud TV?

I believe you are correct. The roommate stopped at the apartment Sunday evening to grab some things quickly and heard the tv louder than a normal volume level. The roommate also, from what I recall, heard Julia’s alarm going off on both Monday morning when returned home and Tuesday morning.


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Step-father aside, I believe the speculation was that she knew the Perp as there were no signs of forced entry.

That proves absolutely nothing rosesfromangels. There are countless ways a perp could have got around that. Like I said before, she lived in a first floor appartment, and that byitself is troublesome. There's no telling how many creeping/stalker/rapist/peeping tom perps that would be active in that area during that time.

Christmas break would be a prime time for one these perps to make a move. Like everyone has already pointed out, her roommates were gone
 
I believe you are correct. The roommate stopped at the apartment Sunday evening to grab some things quickly and heard the tv louder than a normal volume level. The roommate also, from what I recall, heard Julia’s alarm going off on both Monday morning when returned home and Tuesday morning.

Am I making this up, or didn't one of the roomies stop by over that time period to pick up clothes...and heard the loud TV?

Oh, wow, roses. Thank you, both (Mittens). I kept wondering about this. Roommate was there to get clothes with a friend too, IIRC, and if it was later Sunday that Julia's TV was blaring then you may be perfectly right.

That could mean that night's text to the roommate may have been the perp's way of gauging who be would around?

That is, if the perp had control of Julia's phone to send that text to the roommate or he may have forced her to send it, at the time?

If Julia had rebuffed previous advances and had been known by the perp to have been dating others, that could account for the jealousy. But why would she let him in (if she was the one to open the door)? Because he had a close connection to her family, perhaps. Someone she would have to continue to be around. Perhaps a relative, friend to a relative, or a friend she liked but did not want a romantic relationship with. Sh may not have known the depths of his “desire”. Just some thoughts, I have no real clue.

I wonder if she ever felt she was being stalked.....
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Thank you, Spellz. There was Julia's 'trust no one' like SM that's been discussed upthread and the previous threads was directed at whom?

What were the contentious fraught parts of her life as she worked two jobs, was excited about the future, the holidays, herself even, and stepped out and away as an adult?

This is a very good question. Her twin would know most likely. I have always wondered if it were some odd misfit from her work who became obsessed.

By the time LE declared JT a POI in Julia's murder, and his lawyer declared him vulnerable to tripping up under questioning, is it possible LE had time to rule out roommates, colleagues, friends, classmates, or others who may have had contact with her?

As the investigation proceeded and JT kept seeming to impede it here and there, my impression was that so many others had had their lives turned inside out, which helped shift focus away from JT and distance and clam up those who knew damaging things. I would assume, or suspect rather, the level of intimidation of witnesses may have been funky and even severe.

Remember that suicide run JT made to the Dojo? That was funky as hell, then the Ninja suit they arrested him in. Gave me the impression he and whatever they may be hiding off the missing computers, related to Julia or not, is out of bounds and illegal. This is clearly a man who took bathroom doors off to control his household and with strong indications he knew few boundaries. A hunter wondering about border crossings.

Short of creating suspects and scenarios out of thin air, or one's that may fit the evidence, like Julia fainted into the bathtub...
hard to still not wonder about JT and their lack of cooperation with LE, to this day.
 
It is my understanding that there would be two seperate areas of DNA.

I think the number one reason why this case went cold, and was never solved is because of all focus being placed on the step farther; who has been nothing more then a destraction.

There's no evidence here that suggest that she knew her murderer, or that is was someone in her small circle.


No evidence we know of to indicate whether she knew or did not know this person. however, in my opinion, since there was no sign of a break-in I am just guessing she probably let him in and therefore knew him (or her). No one is totally ruled out, I assume.

Not all focus from here has been on just the stepfather. We have tried to piece together any dates, athletes, classmates, friends, even social media she may have known ... so far, nothing we can put together with what little info we have.

I personally do not think it was just some random off-the-street crime. I think when it is finally solved, it will be someone with close ties, be it friend or relative or schoolmate, etc.
 
Oh, wow, roses. Thank you, both (Mittens). I kept wondering about this. Roommate was there to get clothes with a friend too, IIRC, and if it was later Sunday that Julia's TV was blaring then you may be perfectly right.

That could mean that night's text to the roommate may have been the perp's way of gauging who be would around?

That is, if the perp had control of Julia's phone to send that text to the roommate or he may have forced her to send it, at the time?

RBBM

Thank you, Spellz. There was Julia's 'trust no one' like SM that's been discussed upthread and the previous threads was directed at whom?

What were the contentious fraught parts of her life as she worked two jobs, was excited about the future, the holidays, herself even, and stepped out and away as an adult?



By the time LE declared JT a POI in Julia's murder, and his lawyer declared him vulnerable to tripping up under questioning, is it possible LE had time to rule out roommates, colleagues, friends, classmates, or others who may have had contact with her?

As the investigation proceeded and JT kept seeming to impede it here and there, my impression was that so many others had had their lives turned inside out, which helped shift focus away from JT and distance and clam up those who knew damaging things. I would assume, or suspect rather, the level of intimidation of witnesses may have been funky and even severe.

Remember that suicide run JT made to the Dojo? That was funky as hell, then the Ninja suit they arrested him in. Gave me the impression he and whatever they may be hiding off the missing computers, related to Julia or not, is out of bounds and illegal. This is clearly a man who took bathroom doors off to control his household and with strong indications he knew few boundaries. A hunter wondering about border crossings.

Short of creating suspects and scenarios out of thin air, or one's that may fit the evidence, like Julia fainted into the bathtub...
hard to still not wonder about JT and their lack of cooperation with LE, to this day.

IMO..Monroe should have held out on taking those child 🤬🤬🤬🤬 charges to trial, as requested by YPD. YPD said that would impede evidence for prosecuting Julia’s murder....I just wish the two agencies would have worked together to do what was best for Julia. I’m not implying anything. Being local and watching everything play out as it did at the time was just i dont know..disappointing. JMHO MOO


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Rape doesn't fit... But was an act of humiliation.. Don't know, I am not Ypsilanti police. I just gave thoughts that nobody considered before. Still my original theory was bone marrow transplant.

That's tough to do, sharing original thoughts, sherlock22b1, as you point out, 5 yrs on. You're very welcome for taking the time, for your precise reading and consideration, in arriving at where you have. Thank you for doing this and I hope you continue.
 
No evidence we know of to indicate whether she knew or did not know this person. however, in my opinion, since there was no sign of a break-in I am just guessing she probably let him in and therefore knew him (or her). No one is totally ruled out, I assume.

Not all focus from here has been on just the stepfather. We have tried to piece together any dates, athletes, classmates, friends, even social media she may have known ... so far, nothing we can put together with what little info we have.

I personally do not think it was just some random off-the-street crime. I think when it is finally solved, it will be someone with close ties, be it friend or relative or schoolmate, etc.

That's what was thought and believed about the Allison Feldman case Spelly. Police were positive that she knew her murder. No forced entry they said.

Now, a couple of years later, a home security camera catches this guy creeping around her neigborhood. The woman who's window this man is peeping in, said she just got out of her shower at the time her camera captured the video.

I believe it was said that Feldman was just getting out of the shower when she was murdered.

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Now police have changed their tune, and say Feldman was most likey murdered by a stranger that she did not know.
 
That proves absolutely nothing rosesfromangels. There are countless ways a perp could have got around that. Like I said before, she lived in a first floor appartment, and that byitself is troublesome. There's no telling how many creeping/stalker/rapist/peeping tom perps that would be active in that area during that time.

Christmas break would be a prime time for one these perps to make a move. Like everyone has already pointed out, her roommates were gone

These are all good points that we discussed early on. From the little I have heard that LE has stated, unless I misunderstood, their profile is that she knew the Perp. However, Find, Spellbound, and I often wondered about the surrounding warehouses that were within visual sight of her apartment. I even went to Google street view and "walked around". Plenty of industrial warehouses within visual line of sight. I don't think your speculation should be dismissed, but further investigated.
 
These are all good points that we discussed early on. From the little I have heard that LE has stated, unless I misunderstood, their profile is that she knew the Perp. However, Find, Spellbound, and I often wondered about the surrounding warehouses that were within visual sight of her apartment. I even went to Google street view and "walked around". Plenty of industrial warehouses within visual line of sight. I don't think your speculation should be dismissed, but further investigated.

Niswender was murdered 1-year before Feldman, rosesfromangels. Police in the Feldman case believe her murderer may have came from out of town (Scottsdale AZ), if you compare her case to Niswender's, they are very simular.

Niswender might have been getting ready for a bath, Feldman just got out of the shower. If you look at my post above, I have provided a photo of a suspect that could be responsible for both murders. As he was looking through a woman's window in Scottsdale AZ, watching her get out of the shower.

Also, there was no sign of forced entry in ether case. The murderer spent about 6-hours at Feldman's home, and it was said that the murderer spent a great deal of time at Niswender's home.

Both murders took place around the same time of night.
 
That's what was thought and believed about the Allison Feldman case Spelly. Police were positive that she knew her murder. No forced entry they said.

Now, a couple of years later, a home security camera catches this guy creeping around her neigborhood. The woman who's window this man is peeping in, said she just got out of her shower at the time her camera captured the video.

I believe it was said that Feldman was just getting out of the shower when she was murdered.

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Now police have changed their tune, and say Feldman was most likey murdered by a stranger that she did not know.

You will note part of his pic is blurred at the bottom as he is most likely exposed, and busy. Now I will research peeping ton’s And correlation to more serious activities such as rape, murder,etc.
Certainly seems bathroom windows are a magnet to him.
Loser.
 
You will note part of his pic is blurred at the bottom as he is most likely exposed, and busy. Now I will research peeping ton’s And correlation to more serious activities such as rape, murder,etc.
Certainly seems bathroom windows are a magnet to him.
Loser.

I think that was her bedroom window not sure, but it was about 2-miles from Feldman's house. Here's a link if you want to watch the video.

https://www.abc15.com/news/region-n...lf-while-looking-into-woman-s-scottsdale-home
 
That's what was thought and believed about the Allison Feldman case Spelly. Police were positive that she knew her murder. No forced entry they said.

Now, a couple of years later, a home security camera catches this guy creeping around her neigborhood. The woman who's window this man is peeping in, said she just got out of her shower at the time her camera captured the video.

I believe it was said that Feldman was just getting out of the shower when she was murdered.

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Now police have changed their tune, and say Feldman was most likey murdered by a stranger that she did not know.

I don’t know that one (Allison Feldman), but will try to check it out tomorrow. I haven’t entirely thrown out any possibilities yet, so you could be onto something. I just lean more the other way at this point, but open to anything.

Thanks for helping, Ibiz.
 
IMO..Monroe should have held out on taking those child 🤬🤬🤬🤬 charges to trial, as requested by YPD. YPD said that would impede evidence for prosecuting Julia’s murder....I just wish the two agencies would have worked together to do what was best for Julia. I’m not implying anything. Being local and watching everything play out as it did at the time was just i dont know..disappointing. JMHO MOO


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I agree with you on both. The 🤬🤬🤬🤬 charges were pushed through too fast (through Monroe, wasn’t it?). I don’t think Ypsi planned to let it be known when it came to light. Why the two departments would not work together is unknown.
 
I agree with you on both. The 🤬🤬🤬🤬 charges were pushed through too fast (through Monroe, wasn’t it?). I don’t think Ypsi planned to let it be known when it came to light. Why the two departments would not work together is unknown.

Yes in Monroe. There’s an article about it somewhere out there where Ypsi said it hindered the case because they had to release search warrants for Monroe’s case, IIRC. I’ve never figured out why they didn’t work together. I feel like that blame falls on Monroe...IMO


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Hi All,
I'll try to simply explain what happened for the JT child 🤬🤬🤬🤬 charges and trial.
While doing the forensic exam of the computer from the parent's home, Ypsi did exactly what is required by law. If suspected child 🤬🤬🤬🤬 is found, then it must be reported to the FBI and to the department that would have legal jurisdiction. Since the computer was physically located in Monroe County when seized, Ypsi reported this to the Monroe County Prosecutor. It was then up to the Monroe County Sheriff's office to do the investigation and the Monroe County Prosecutor to determine if there was enough evidence to warrant an arrest and eventually a trial.The prosecutor could have examined all the evidence and "dropped" the charges or deemed there was enough to go to trial for JT on the child 🤬🤬🤬🤬 charges. They went to trial and everyone knows that after a very short deliberation, the jury returned a not guilty verdict. That's the story of what happened between Ypsi and Monroe. Ypsi is in a different county (Washtenaw) which is why it went to trial in Monroe County. It does seem true that the two agencies do not truly cooperate with each other.
 
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