MI MI - Julia Niswender, 23, EMU student, Ypsilanti, 10 Dec 2012 - #5

[Ozoner]

I don’t believe that is a factor. To my knowledge, viagra does not alter a sperm count. If it did, it would probably be used and marketed as male birth control.

I didn't that Viagra would lower a sperm count directly, just that it would allow a man to have more erections and thetefore more ejaculations during any given time period. I think that more frequent ejaculations would lead to a lower sperm count; the testes need time to replenish sperm cells.

 

[rosesfromangels]

Here are Ypsilanti murder and rape statistics from city-data. I wonder if the other murders are unsolved or have any similar signature to Julia's murder?



In addition, I came across the case of the "Ypsilanti Ripper" who murdered 7+, some co-eds. Apologies if this has been mentioned upthread already. I wonder what we can learn from this still alive miscreant that may help us with Julia's case? Editing to add that this is another case where we learn not to judge people by their looks. This was a handsome preppy looking guy. He looks vastly different at 70, rotting in jail.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan_murders

 

[MittenScarpetta]

Here are Ypsilanti murder and rape statistics from city-data. I wonder if the other murders are unsolved or have any similar signature to Julia's murder?

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In addition, I came across the case of the "Ypsilanti Ripper" who murdered 7+, some co-eds. Apologies if this has been mentioned upthread already. I wonder what we can learn from this still alive miscreant that may help us with Julia's case? Editing to add that this is another case where we learn not to judge people by their looks. This was a handsome preppy looking guy. He looks vastly different at 70, rotting in jail.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan_murders

O/T but I have this book-Michigan Murders.

 

[Spellbound]

Here are Ypsilanti murder and rape statistics from city-data. I wonder if the other murders are unsolved or have any similar signature to Julia's murder?

In addition, I came across the case of the "Ypsilanti Ripper" who murdered 7+, some co-eds. Apologies if this has been mentioned upthread already. I wonder what we can learn from this still alive miscreant that may help us with Julia's case? Editing to add that this is another case where we learn not to judge people by their looks. This was a handsome preppy looking guy. He looks vastly different at 70, rotting in jail.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan_murders

John Norman Collins ... will never forget. one of his victims was a sister to one of my classmates. But I never heard him referred to as a’Ypsilanti Ripper”..?? Always the “Michigan Murderer" or “Co-Ed Murders case”.

 

[rosesfromangels]

http://www.kxro.com/lyle-stevik-identified-closing-16-1-2-year-old-unsolved-case/

And today, another incredible DNA breakthrough identifying "Lyle Stevik" after all these years. Amazing! The same technology could be used on the DNA of Julia's Perp. Just sayin....

If money is the issue, I'm sure it could be raised to help solve this crime! Between EMU students, Walmart where she worked, the citizens of Monroe, her friends and family and benevolent sleuthers...

 

[Ozoner]

http://www.kxro.com/lyle-stevik-identified-closing-16-1-2-year-old-unsolved-case/

And today, another incredible DNA breakthrough identifying "Lyle Stevik" after all these years. Amazing! The same technology could be used on the DNA of Julia's Perp. Just sayin....

If money is the issue, I'm sure it could be raised to help solve this crime! Between EMU students, Walmart where she worked, the citizens of Monroe, her friends and family and benevolent sleuthers...

You're overlooking one thing: they probably DO NOT have the perp's DNA.

They can't test DNA that they. don't have.

 

[rosesfromangels]

You're overlooking one thing: they probably DO NOT have the perp's DNA.

They can't test DNA that they. don't have.

You certainly could be right, but I’m betting they do.

 

[MittenScarpetta]

You certainly could be right, but I’m betting they do.

I’m with ya on that, Roses! I strongly feel there is DNA in Julia’s case.

 

[black_squirrel]

I’m with ya on that, Roses! I strongly feel there is DNA in Julia’s case.

We know there IS DNA in this case. There was DNA on the gloves found. But we don't know if it belongs to the perp. But even if it didn't. If we could match the DNA to someone, then we would know where the gloves came from and this might lead to the killer.

The investigators also found semen. It was never stated, but usually semen contains DNA.
Possibly current techniques weren't good enough to extract it.

 

[sherlock221b]

We know there IS DNA in this case. There was DNA on the gloves found. But we don't know if it belongs to the perp. But even if it didn't. If we could match the DNA to someone, then we would know where the gloves came from and this might lead to the killer.

The investigators also found semen. It was never stated, but usually semen contains DNA.
Possibly current techniques weren't good enough to extract it.

The sperm found was of a vasectomy person. You should probably read previous threads, there is no sperm DNA in a vasectomy semen, so no DNA there. The perp got lucky, but he will be found one day.


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[Spellbound]

The sperm found was of a vasectomy person. You should probably read previous threads, there is no sperm DNA in a vasectomy semen, so no DNA there. The perp got lucky, but he will be found one day.


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male DNA from two donors were found:

https://www.freep.com/story/news/lo...sectomy-fbi-profiler-points-stepdad/71507420/
The affidavit outlines several factors as to why police consider Turnquist to be a person of interest:
■ On Dec. 13, 2014, disposable latex gloves found on her bedroom floor were submitted to the Michigan State Police's Crime Lab and it was later determined that male DNA was inside of the gloves. According to the lab results, two different male "DNA donors" were discovered within the gloves. Turnquist's DNA was not a match for one of the samples and the other was too weak for comparison and could only be described as belonging to a male

 

[Ozoner]

male DNA from two donors were found:

https://www.freep.com/story/news/lo...sectomy-fbi-profiler-points-stepdad/71507420/
The affidavit outlines several factors as to why police consider Turnquist to be a person of interest:
■ On Dec. 13, 2014, disposable latex gloves found on her bedroom floor were submitted to the Michigan State Police's Crime Lab and it was later determined that male DNA was inside of the gloves. According to the lab results, two different male "DNA donors" were discovered within the gloves. Turnquist's DNA was not a match for one of the samples and the other was too weak for comparison and could only be described as belonging to a male

I remain convinced (beyond a reasonable doubt) that James Turnquist murdered Julia. If that's the case, then the better DNA sample doesn't belong to the perp since it doesn't belong to James Turnquist.

 

[black_squirrel]

The sperm found was of a vasectomy person. You should probably read previous threads, there is no sperm DNA in a vasectomy semen, so no DNA there. The perp got lucky, but he will be found one day.


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I have already read all of the threads, and remember most of it.

The semen found was consistent with a person who had a vasectomy. So there probably was no sperm in the semen. Even without the sperm,
there is DNA in the semen (but much less). So DNA analysis is still possible, but harder.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17456093
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/6429739.stm

The perpetrator may have had a vasectomy, but there can be outer reasons why there was no sperm.

 

[rosesfromangels]

]I remain convinced (beyond a reasonable doubt)[/B] that James Turnquist murdered Julia. If that's the case, then the better DNA sample doesn't belong to the perp since it doesn't belong to James Turnquist.

I'm interested in why. Not trying to be querulous, just genuinely interested in your perspective. Purportedly, he has passed (?) two polys. While not admissible in court, they are at least strong directionally if given by a skilled examiner.
I know JT's attorney communicated he "passed" two poly's, one administered by his office?
Did he "pass" the other poly given by LE, or was it "inconclusive" which implies deception.

I'm unclear on the above. Does anyone know?

 

[black_squirrel]

I'm interested in why. Not trying to be querulous, just genuinely interested in your perspective. Purportedly, he has passed (?) two polys. While not admissible in court, they are at least strong directionally if given by a skilled examiner.
I know JT's attorney communicated he "passed" two poly's, one administered by his office?
Did he "pass" the other poly given by LE, or was it "inconclusive" which implies deception.

I'm unclear on the above. Does anyone know?

He passed both polygraphs.

 

[Alcina]

He passed both polygraphs.

Just curious, how do you know this? Was it MSM?

 

[Spellbound]

Just curious, how do you know this? Was it MSM?

http://www.mlive.com/news/ann-arbor/index.ssf/2015/09/documents_detail_allegations_a.html
[FONT=&quot]Still, Turnquist passed two polygraph tests when asked about the death of his stepdaughter in February 2013 -- something his lawyer, Paul J. Stablein, cited when police named Turnquist a person of interest in the death in March.

[/FONT]https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2015/09/11/james-turnquist-court-monroe/72064832/[FONT=&quot]
[/FONT]Turnquist has denied any involvement in Niswender's death and has passed a privately administered polygraph test and one administered by Washtenaw County Sheriff's Office

 

[Ozoner]

I'm interested in why. Not trying to be querulous, just genuinely interested in your perspective. Purportedly, he has passed (?) two polys. While not admissible in court, they are at least strong directionally if given by a skilled examiner.
I know JT's attorney communicated he "passed" two poly's, one administered by his office?
Did he "pass" the other poly given by LE, or was it "inconclusive" which implies deception.

I'm unclear on the above. Does anyone know?

I don't agree that polygraphs are strong directionally; I consider them basically worthless except as a scare tactic. Psychopaths can beat them effortlessly, and innocent but nervous people fail them routinely.

I believe Julia's mother lied when she provided Turnquist with an alibi; other family members have averred that the two of them were sleeping in separate rooms, so Mrs. T would not have noticed if her husband left during the night.

Another reason is, what are the odds that Julia would be murdered by someone who had had a vasectomy who wasn't James Turnquist?

 

[rosesfromangels]

I don't agree that polygraphs are strong directionally; I consider them basically worthless except as a scare tactic. Psychopaths can beat them effortlessly, and innocent but nervous people fail them routinely.

I believe Julia's mother lied when she provided Turnquist with an alibi; other family members have averred that the two of them were sleeping in separate rooms, so Mrs. T would not have noticed if her husband left during the night.

Another reason is, what are the odds that Julia would be murdered by someone who had had a vasectomy who wasn't James Turnquist?

These are all reasonable questions we have all been pondering for the past six years. We will have to wait for forensic results, which I am confident will bring this case to closure. There seems to be conflicting viewpoints on much of this case, and opposing memories of key points.

Regardless, the forensic science will convict.

 

[bellesnwhistles]

Even if the DNA was planted and it does not belong to perp, it's still essential to the case and finding whose DNA that is would be a major break. FWIW I am on the fence about stepdad only because mom & sister say he was home all night and he passed the Polly. I will say I lean slightly more toward him being guilty, but only slightly.