MI - Nevaeh Buchanan, 5, Monroe, 24 May 2009 - Body found - #5

[Kat]

Interesting jashrema. Dundee jumped out at me because J. Easter ( I am aware he is no longer names as a POI) had an entry at one of the sites for having an address in Dundee MI.

 

[SheWhoMustNotBeNamed]

I'm sticking with my theory that he came in with her by boat. If you live in Monroe or Dundee, you KNOW how to use a boat, and a rowboat with a trolling motor (2-3 HP which makes almost zero noise) would do the trick. You wouldn't need a large boat at all. Just your standard rowboat would do. And men in particular would KNOW the river and Lake Erie like the backs of their hands. They just do. And if we're thinking like a killer, that's what I would do. Slip silently thru the water, dig a shallow grave and dump. Probably to nervous to dump her in the lake or river because of the Scot petersen syndrome, where they eventually wash up, or it could be some other reason. Perhaps this person wanted to go back and "visit" and the concrete marked the spot. I know it sounds macabre, but stranger things have happened, and it lends credence to the fact that the person or persons involved KNEW her. I will be completely shocked if this person is NOT a local.

Respectfully snipped. I really like this idea. It hasn't been talked about much, if at all, but is VERY possible.

 

[TakeNote]

Seems unlikely a perp would go through the trouble of digging a grave and hauling a 90lb bag of cement down a steep incline, then be dumb enough to leave his beer can lying around, or possibly, even in the grave. But stranger things have happened. Maybe his "helper" wasn't so bright.

it wasnt to long ago where the perp broke into a house took the little girl from her bedroom and tied her up in the garage on a make shift bed with her mothers shoes...and the went back into the house for some reason and the little girl was able to free her self and scream waking the parents....well..that perp left beer cans down by the lake next to her house and left one under a window at the home....that is how LE caught him...DNA from the can...and was able to link the can to a near by store who had receipts and i believe video of the perp...and they got him!!! so yes....these nutts can be dumb!

 

[Chilly Willy]

Respectfully snipped. I really like this idea. It hasn't been talked about much, if at all, but is VERY possible.

The video report on ClickonDetroit said that LE didn't think the perp used a boat, although they didn't say why.

 

[byo]

The boat theory is interesting, and possible. But, if you had a boat, why bury the body near the road?

 

[TakeNote]

Wouldn't Kmart surveillance video have the bio egg donor and N on tape if they went there??

And I'm kind of stuck on the kids saying that about daddy george and the stabbing. We know (or we assume we know) that it wasn't N's blood found in the room and she wasn't stabbed. What if...and this is a big what if...but these are so's and they are more calculated than we think, and this is a crazy thought that's why I'm stalling, but it popped into my head...who's to say the kids DIDN't see him stabbing a child?? How many missing kids do we have in the US?? Uh, can you say way too many?? I know farfetched...but I have a 7yo boy. I don't think that story would just pop out of his mouth for no reason. There was another big "aha" moment I had...but I"m old and forgot it by the time I typed this!! Oh yeah....I got it, is it possible the body and cement arrived in a boat??? A fishing boat?? Not to be confused with KFN's search and rescue boat. (((couldn't pass on the dig)))

i did not get this the first two times i read your post..LOL...i get it now...:rolling:

 

[Chilly Willy]

It's me again...I live in Toledo and know Monroe very well. Toledo is only maybe 2-3 miles from the state line of Michigan and Monroe is about 15 mi from toledo and kind of a weird city. Monroe "proper" downtown is your typical small town look. Brick buildings, shops, government offices, etc. It literally only takes up a few square blocks though. Monroe has a pop. of about , I'd say, a little over 20,000. So small town. It borders Lake Erie and The River Raisin and is a MAJOR fisher, hunter, boaters, etc. If you live in Monroe, you're a blue collar (Not all of course, but most) It's a place where a nice home sits next to a shack. Alot of apartment complexes that are Section 8 HUD housing, unemployment is high, etc. There's maybe a populated area and then nothing but trees, grass, etc. Monroe has ALOT of acreage that is just basically parklike, trees, forests, undeveloped land.
Now Dundee (where Neveah was found) is a village IN monroe County. Pop. there is around 4000 I think. Dundee's claim to fame is that they built a huge Cabela's there. It's a huge superstore of all sports like stuff. Hunting, fishing, boating, etc. Aside from Cabela's, if you blink..you miss Dundee.
This area of the River Raisin where Neveah was found is dense trees, brush, etc. The "slope" that people are talking about from the road is not a little hill. It's pretty steep and slippery...I'm sticking with my theory that he came in with her by boat. If you live in Monroe or Dundee, you KNOW how to use a boat, and a rowboat with a trolling motor (2-3 HP which makes almost zero noise) would do the trick. You wouldn't need a large boat at all. Just your standard rowboat would do. And men in particular would KNOW the river and Lake Erie like the backs of their hands. They just do. And if we're thinking like a killer, that's what I would do. Slip silently thru the water, dig a shallow grave and dump. Probably to nervous to dump her in the lake or river because of the Scot petersen syndrome, where they eventually wash up, or it could be some other reason. Perhaps this person wanted to go back and "visit" and the concrete marked the spot. I know it sounds macabre, but stranger things have happened, and it lends credence to the fact that the person or persons involved KNEW her. I will be completely shocked if this person is NOT a local.
The place where the piece of trash that calls herself her mother lives, yes, of course, there's good decent working people there to, BUT it is also highly populated with YOUNGER people with NO jobs that collect Medicaid and housing allowances. There is a higher percentage of people that live there that have been in jail. I'm not meaning to offend anyone, but it's true. The complex is shabby and there are ALOT of kids that run around unsupervised, not just Neveah, because that is the "mindset" of the people that live there...(SOME people) not ALL of them.
Just a little more background of the area for you guys..
I think that Roy Smith and GK are in cahoots somehow. LE yanks RS in, questions him, releases him at approx. 2-3 AM and George goes home and IMMEDIATELY starts burning stuff in his burn barrel?? Come on. So LE snatches him up again, releases him again, and now poor Roy is all over the airwaves, "Demanding an apology" Go to hell Roy.
Now, someone correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it a little to soon after the finding of Neveah's remains that the site is not even cordoned off? There have been people tramping up and down the hill, standing on the concrete, kicking crap around, setting up memorials on the EXACT spot..I mean, seriously? The feds and MSP actually think they do NOT need that crime scene to be uncontaminated at all..even for just another few days? I'm just appalled at this. It's all over the local news for Gods sake. it just seems really soon to me.
Of course, I still remember the Oakland "Babysitter" serial killings and how the State Police mucked that up from here to eternity. 4 children (if not more) kidnapped and murdered in the span of a year i think....

Here's a link to how people are tramping all over the burial site...

http://www.freep.com/article/20090606/NEWS06/90606036

I think you're confusing your SO's. Easter is the one who was burning things and who is now demanding an apology.....I think. I believe George has been in custody since the night Nevaeh went missing. Roy is also still in custody.

 

[TakeNote]

did i read that a empty bag of cement was found around the crime scene?

 

[daisy7]

In the past a moderator has been contacted and the request for a subforum made.

The moderator will evaluate and make that call

Did anyone ask for a forum?

 

[Peliman]

GK lived at
Motel Seven
15390 South Dixie Highway, Monroe, MI

The older Roy Smith registers to
14196 S Dixie Hwy
Monroe, MI

Walking distance neighbors.

So where is this R. Smith registered?
besides jail?

http://www.wxyz.com/news/story/Two-Persons-of-Interest-Have-Alibis/IqNogN2dEEWJwzaoKjIGOw.cspx

 

[STEADFAST]

What do you think the JB meant by this statement she made after finding out Nevaeh was most likely dead ? "I want to see her one more time no matter what," Jennifer Buchanan said. "I'm hoping that it is completely over."

http://http://www.detnews.com/article/20090606/METRO/906060357/1409/METRO/Monroe-mourns-Nevaeh

It could be that she just can't stand the uncertainty, and doesn't want to keep on an emotional rollercoaster. So she'll see the body, make her peace, and eventually move on. Weird that she'd think when your child dies, it is completely over. "It" what??

 

[Peliman]

The boat theory is interesting, and possible. But, if you had a boat, why bury the body near the road?

Body was buried very close to the river, maybe less than 2 feet from.

 

[Prof]

Seems unlikely a perp would go through the trouble of digging a grave and hauling a 90lb bag of cement down a steep incline, then be dumb enough to leave his beer can lying around, or possibly, even in the grave. But stranger things have happened. Maybe his "helper" wasn't so bright.

Bessie, I agree that it is odd that the perp might leave a beer can. I would also be surprised if the glove was left by the perp. I mean, why wear gloves? Fingerprints can be lifted from the inside of gloves, no? Although, the perp left the bag the concrete came in, which seems equally dumb.

As far as the comments I have seen today about the perp traversing the steep incline, or possible boat access, I personally would not assume that a perp who is capable of murdering a sweet young girl would treat the corpse with any real respect or care. I could be wrong, but a 90 lb bag of concrete might equally be dropped or rolled down the incline.

 

[STEADFAST]

Did anyone ask for a forum?

I don't know who we're supposed to ask. I think Christine opened up Sandra Cantu to a forum, but she's not showing as on here tonight.

 

[Kat]

I think you're confusing your SO's. Easter is the one who was burning things and who is now demanding an apology.....I think. I believe George has been in custody since the night Nevaeh went missing. Roy is also still in custody.

Yes you are right chilly. Easter is the one that after he was released it was reported that he watched LE leave (he was dropped of at his home around 5 am by LE IIRC) he then went out to burn some reciepts.

If I'm not mistake he is J. P. Easter and has a reference to an address in Dundee MI on Veromi.

 

[Chilly Willy]

It could be that she just can't stand the uncertainty, and doesn't want to keep on an emotional rollercoaster. So she'll see the body, make her peace, and eventually move on. Weird that she'd think when your child dies, it is completely over. "It" what??

Definitely a strange choice of words but 'it' could mean exactly that, the not knowing, the holding on to hope. I've heard (on TV) people come out of hospital rooms and say, "It's over" meaning the person has passed on.

 

[bessie]

Takenote, you're right. I've read that thread, but had forgotten that detail. I'm praying that this creep made the same mistake.

 

[Kat]

Thanks, no need to delete, one must go through acceptance first.

I only saw one Roy Smith who is 67 yrs. old. The thing that struck me is his address is very near GK's motel if not at the same place, need to look closer.

Second, the Roy Smith who is 67 is not the same shown in the report from wxyz who list a Roy Smith as 48 yrs old. hmm

http://www.wxyz.com/news/story/Two-Persons-of-Interest-Have-Alibis/IqNogN2dEEWJwzaoKjIGOw.cspx

So which one do we need to look at... unsure

Peliman I didn't find the right one listed on the Michigan Sex Offender Registry website.

I did find him here:

http://www.michigan.gov/corrections/0,1607,7-119-1409---,00.html

click on offender search a new window will open.

MDOC Number: 163676 is his number. You can also search by just his first and last name. Scroll down and you will see a rap sheet as long as your arm and then some.

Good grief what in the world was Nevaeh's mother thinking?

 

[TakeNote]

i sent a message to a mod...but everyone ive looked at are off line...

 

[doobiedoo52]

The boat theory is interesting, and possible. But, if you had a boat, why bury the body near the road?

I totally agree with that. Plus in a boat the body would be quite visible unless maybe covered with rain gear or something. I'm thinking he probably took her there alive to do his thing--maybe saying they were going fishing. Possibly drugged her in a soda and let the drug take effect and later it killed her. If we can't honestly say her whereabouts after 3:30 or so, he had plenty of time. Bury the body in shallow grave, possibly leave a lookout & then go get the cement.