MI - Nevaeh Buchanan, 5, Monroe, 24 May 2009 - scooter abandoned - #4

[scandi]

Scandi - can you link to the picture of Tonya?

TIA,

Salem

Tomoz I will do that for you as I am just heading to bed.

It was her myspace page - a screenshot of it at In Session, and I saw it last week, maybe Thurs or Fri - well, the day that she came up in convo, as we discussed her here that day too.

I promise Sweetie. xox

PS: She had shoulder length dark hair in big curls, looked tan, but maybe the South American color, well shaped full lips and pretty eyes. I remember thinking how her feet didn't match her face! LOL

 

[fortytwo]

WOW Tunker, thanks for you post jam packed with all kinds of info.

First, do you know if GK has any relatives who live close to where Nivaeh was found? We heard that as rumor.

Interesting about the fence being cut and the blood possibly coming from that. It raises so many questions in my mind. I don't know if that tool could cut open a chain link fence. Be pretty tough. I would think it would take a bolt cutter. That could account for the difficulty and blood of GK's found. I would think that is some pretty heavy evidence against him, considering the concrete burial and all.

A 90 lb bag. Thart is what was stolen? I don't know how much would be needed to cover a body and fill in the shallow grave to make it look like a natural rock. Dr Know will know as he was in the cement biz for 25 yrs if I remember correctly.

What would the Grandview Plaza Building be? Do they house inmates there on a need basis? Now he might be revoked for his PV - I haven't heard. But the charges for Nivaeh's case would be major and erase the ink on any PV violation. Maybe they don't want him back in the prison system yet as an inmate until they nail down this case. Where is Lansing from Monroe. Would they have a trial in Monroe?

Please keep us updated.

Oh, do you know if GK was known to fish at the spot where he body was found. What abourt Smith? Is he really a local?

Do you think the person not arrested yet is Smith or J?s

The average chain link fence can be easily cut with an average pair of pliers. A multi-tool might be a little harder, but still quite doable by any reasonably strong adult.

One 90 lb. bag of pre-mixed concrete makes about 1/2 cu. ft. (0.60 +/-). This isn't much. Think 12 in. x 12 in. square by about 7 in. high.

ETA: Do we know for certain yet that anything was stolen, or is that still conjecture?

 

[Dr. Know?]

42, add a little barbed wire or razor ribbon and with chain link, any of those could cut someone easily.

 

[Prof]

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:clap::clap::clap: Completely agree with your assessment of GK!

Did any credible adult have an accurrate time and account of seeing Nevaeh when she came back from Kmart with JB?

Thank you! I am still looking for a timeline. I have read about Nevaeh's alleged trip to the store after the Aaron Baker/Krystal Kuhn 3:30 or 3:45 dismissal from lunch; however, I have not heard anything specific about Nevaeh and Jennifer's trip to KMart. Anyone have a link?

 

[Dr. Know?]

I do feel it didn't take advanced knowledge to do this. Most people could mix concrete/cement/quickcrete, in a bucket or whatever. Cutting a fence is second nature to many crooks. Especially, building material places and construction places that I've seen. I do have my suspicions though. Nite

 

[fortytwo]

42, add a little barbed wire or razor ribbon and with chain link, any of those could cut someone easily.

Well ... yes. So could the end of the fence wire itself after it had been cut.

Taking into account the standard configuration for barbed wire and security fences I'd consider the cut fence wire more likely since it would be the nearest thing 'at hand' (pun intended). At any rate, we don't know that this fence had barbed wire, or that it didn't.

I'm not sure what your point is.

 

[Dr. Know?]

One more thing. The test of the soil samples, the texture of the cement or whatever, should lead to too much water added. Be it soaked from the riverbank which sounds logical, or too much water added.

The material itself should nail someone big time. Hopefully.

May Nevaeh, rest in peace.

 

[Dr. Know?]

Well ... yes. So could the end of the fence wire itself after it had been cut.

Taking into account the standard configuration for barbed wire and security fences I'd consider the cut fence wire more likely since it would be the nearest thing 'at hand' (pun intended). At any rate, we don't know that this fence had barbed wire, or that it didn't.

I'm not sure what your point is.

Any of those can happen. DH has seen many of things over the years. Once a kid who robbed a place tried to go over razor ribbon and saw the blood he said it was a bunch, many times I have seen cuts from barbed wire, (southwest here), but cutting a stretched fence, it would cut the person also.

Most businesses in our town (large) have all three or more. Sadly. Theft is a big thing.

 

[Capri]

Scandi - can you link to the picture of Tonya?

TIA,

Salem

This isn't a pic, but a pdf of her daycare license from the state, dated Aug. 2004. I don't know if she is currently operating a daycare. I hope not.

http://www.dleg.state.mi.us/fhs/brs/reports/DF580268624_ORIG.pdf

From some of her Facebook comments that are more recent, sounds like she is working in a nursing home, and having some financial troubles. Why would someone with financial troubles be paying $600/mo rent for a RSO? Or maybe that's why she's having financial problems, who knows .

 

[fortytwo]

Any of those can happen. DH has seen many of things over the years. Once a kid who robbed a place tried to go over razor ribbon and saw the blood he said it was a bunch, many times I have seen cuts from barbed wire, (southwest here), but cutting a stretched fence, it would cut the person also.

Most businesses in our town (large) have all three or more. Sadly. Theft is a big thing.

I have cut chain link fence on many occasions (none illicit, so don't get excited). It is not under the sort of tension that the range fence wire I think you are referring to is, so there is no 'snap back' effect. If someone were to get cut by the wire ends it would be mostly a result of clumsiness, which, considering what else we have learned, is certainly not out of the question.

As far as barbed or razor wire on a security fence is concerned it is most commonly intended as a deterrent to climbing over the fence. It usually has little effect on someone going through it.

I'm still a bit confused as to the point of this.

ETA: Never mind. It's late, and I'm getting slow. This has to do with the blood in the room. Still, what I said holds. Clumsy perp.

 

[fortytwo]

Like I said in my post, any of those situations could have happened. Do you know what did happen?

I am not here to have a building supply/contractor debate. That's real life. This is for answers to what happened to Nevaeh.

Fine by me.

I responded to to scandi's inquiry about the difficulty of cutting chain link fence, and the amount of concrete from a 90 lb. bag.

You brought up the rest. If you're displeased by that then I'm not the one to chastise.

 

[Dr. Know?]

I don't think they will pull either one of us in for expert opinion. Do you? LOL

 

[fortytwo]

I don't think they will pull either one of us in for expert opinion. Do you? LOL

Probably not. At least, I'm not in that neck of the woods.

On the other hand, I do have over three and a half decades experience as a construction professional with special expertise in structural concrete buildings, so if my opinion about concrete and, yes, fences was asked for it would probably have some weight.

 

[Chilly Willy]

Thanks, SS. Now, where did that Chilly go? Oh, Chilllllyyyy...

You rang?

 

[Steely Dan]

Newer ABC 3 page story out now.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=7764316&page=1

Great article thanks. I have a quote from it below where it talks about GK

ITA My crackhead neighbor always sends her 4 year old boy out by himself when she is getting high. It is so obvious. The poor little guy walks around in circles crying his eyes out. Child protective services is there on an inconsistent basis. I just know something bad is going to happen to that baby boy. There is nothing I can do but watch out for him when I am home. So sad.

I'd call the police or CPS whenever that happens.

I apologize if this was posted earlier. I just read it at Clicked on Detroit. Maybe I wasn't so far off last night, after all.

Evidence Collected At River May Lead To Killer

Investigators returned to the steep river's edge Friday to look for more evidence.

The FBI said some type of cement was found on top of the body, which appeared to be buried in a shallow grave.

"It's a little more sophisticated than just dumping a body," said Andrew Arena, the lead FBI Investigator in the case,.

A key piece of evidence collected at the site is a 90-pound bag of cement.

Only a few stores in the area sell 90-pound bags of cement. The Kuhlman Cement Company, which is located behind the home of the person of interest George Kennedy, sells 90-pound bags of cement.

Also, it appears that the fence outside the cement company was recently cut.

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/19662141/detail.html

This is from the top article in my post;

Nevaeh's family members told the Detroit affiliate that they are even more suspicious now of George Kennedy, a 39-year-old registered sex offenderand friend of Nevaeh's mother, who has been named a person of interest by Monroe County police.

Kennedy, who is jailed on probation violations for simply being associated with a child, works with cement in the area where the body was found, according to the family's statements to WXYZ.

I haven't heard that before. Is he a freelance mason or something? :waitasec:

trust me...we are not the scum of the earth, and in fact our jobs defend the constitution more than anything else. I don't take CSC cases at all though. No way.

Yes they are very necessary. We will all rapidly call a defense lawyer if we need to. It's also the only way to ensure the person is actually guilty. There are a lot of times that the accused has been wrongfully charged.

My only problem with defense attorney's is when they go to far. (i.e. trying to poke the hole in a swinging donut with a pen to "prove" a woman can't be raped unless she's completely still.) It's great to have a great defense but some things are just disgusting to me.

 

[Melanie]

http://www.monroenews.com/article/20090605/NEWS01/306059994

I think this is one of the saddest things I have read all day.

Thank you for that. It brings comfort knowing there are people looking over Navaeh and praying for her.

I wonder if the egg donor has bothered to visit?

Best,

Mel

 

[Melanie]

Nevaeh's mother sounds like a junkie to me. she is just blaise. ...people can be sex offenders...they may not be sex offenders...that's ok...you don't know who a sex offender is...anyone blah blah blah...yeah she might be gone...someone snatched her...

mother is on opiates....it would be easy to get at her kid...heroin is cheap and the mother will go to sleep and give him free reign...yeah she was always there..but she wasn't awake and she doesn't really care cause she is on drugs.

Thank you for saying exactly what I was thinking. When I look at JB, I get the impression she's on some type of benzo (valium, xanax) because she speaks so laxy-daisy -- not a care in the world. Almost like "daughter, what daughter". Oh her - yah, someone snatched her.

And her statement just rings bells that she's on some kind of drug. When she said "I hope this is over" (something to that effect) - just blew my mind. Did she search? NO - instead she called her SO boyfriend. Why? Because she was protecting him of course so he could try to cover his tracks quick.

I, too, believe she was sleeping, just by her statement "I got up". You don't usually say that if you're wide awake and sitting on the couch.

ICK.

Mel

 

[Donjeta]

I haven't caught up on my reading, so maybe this has been explained already but I'm confused about the timeline. In the thread 3 someone posted a myspace for someone called Aaron and Joanne who supposedly were the neighbours with whom Nevaeh ate at 3:30.

http://www.freep.com/article/20090606/NEWS05/906060405/0/NEWS05
says the neighbor was Crystal Kuhn. Is this the same family as Joanne and Aaron? Joanne's myspace has photos of Krystal and Austin.

"She left our house at 3:30, 3:45," said Kuhn, who lives one floor up from Nevaeh's apartment in the Charlotte Arms complex in Monroe. She said the Buchanans had to go to the store.

But I thought she went missing later on in the evening, at 8:15 and according to the mom she had just 20 minutes earlier come from an upstairs apartment where she had been playing with a friend? Am I mixed up? Are there more families upstairs than just this one family? Did JB lie on NG? Did Nevaeh tell her mom a lie to cover where she'd been? With the perp maybe? Why did she need to change her clothes? Did Mom and Nevaeh really go to the store? How long did they stay? When did she go to the friends house upstairs again? Or did she?

From Nancy Grace transcript:

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JENNIFER BUCHANAN, MOTHER: She came in the house, changed her clothes. She told me that she was going back upstairs to her friend`s house, and that`s the last time I saw her.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And this is the friend whose house she was going to, this is all in the same apartment complex, I`m assuming?

BUCHANAN: Same apartment building. Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Right.

BUCHANAN: So technically, she wouldn`t go outside at all, she was supposed to be upstairs at the house.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When did you realize then, I mean, what time was that and when did you realize that she was missing?

BUCHANAN: It was like, within 20 minutes and another little girl came in who had stayed the night with me and she said that Nevaeh was riding her bike, her scooter in the road, and I assumed it was the parking lot. So I got up, went to go outside to look for her, haven`t seen her since.

Also from Nancy Grace:

MARC KLAAS, KLAAS KIDS FOUNDATION: Well, you know, the mother said that the little girl wouldn`t willingly go with a stranger. But I think what we have to -- people have to understand here is that there`s not a 5- year-old child on the face of the earth that is going to be able to withstand the advances of a determined predator.

I'm sickened by this. It doesn't even have to be a determined stranger. It seems half the SO's in the neighborhood were friends of the mom and known to Nevaeh.

 

[Peliman]

Motel Identified and located next to concrete plant. You can see it wraps around the back and borders the concrete plant. A story I found about Easter and the burning incident is linked. I don't know where 5am came into play, I find 5am strange to be burning cardboard as claimed around a motel. questions questions.

Motel Seven
15390 S Dixie Hwy
Monroe, MI 48161
(734) 384-1100‎

http://www.monroenews.com/article/20090601/NEWS01/706019966

 

[Peliman]

Newer local story out today from Monroenews.

Sheriff says killer probably local
by Ray Kisonas , last modified June 06. 2009 1:15AM
Monroe County Sheriff Tilman Crutchfield said the person responsible for the death of Nevaeh Buchanan is probably a local person because the place where she was found buried is rural and not well-known.

"It’s someone who knows the area," the sheriff said Friday night. "In my mind, it’s someone from around here. I don’t think anyone would come up from Ohio or California and just come across this place."

The cause of death will not be available immediately, the sheriff said, because lab tests have to be completed. However the body, which was buried along the banks of the River Raisin off Dixon Rd., did not have any obvious signs of trauma, Sheriff Crutchfield said. "There were no obvious injuries," he said.

Evidence had been collected at the scene, but the sheriff would not divulge details. He said tests must be completed before anything is determined. An autopsy was performed Friday at the Wayne County Medical Examiner’s Office.

"I wouldn’t expect anything from the autopsy for a couple of days," the sheriff said. "There’s a lot of analysis that needs to be done."

Full story click here