MI - Nevaeh Buchanan, 5, Monroe, 24 May 2009 - scooter abandoned - #4

[SeriouslySearching]

It's good to see you here tonite Passionategray. Like Trisha says, every thought is important, and you must have many knowing the folk there like you do.

For instance fishing. We have learned it is something enjoyed by many who live there:

* Do you think that a local fisherman would usually go to the same spot to fish, of course depending on the time of year and run of the fish?

* Do fishermen often share the same fishing spots/holes with several come-along fishermen or are they more like to fish by themselves, and move a bit down or upstream with the new arrival?

* When fishing, would the local guy bring beer with and sip along as he casts out and reels in?

* Do these fishermen who have a favorite spot ever use it for non-fishing activity, like having an impromptu hot dog roast or just going there to do some thinking and finally relax after a long day at work?


It might give a clue to the perp. Everything I have heard tonight on TV says he is local and very familiar with the area. I should say 'they'!

Thanks xox

Fishermen are pretty much creatures of habit with what works until they hear of a new spot. Yes, most fishermen I know associate drinking with fishing. They believe it is the perfect opportunity to shed themselves of the real world and to get lost in "nature". It is their answer to bringing home food or at least in their ego being able to bring it home even if they let it go. Most respect the other fisherman if they already have the spot for the time. (This is important in this case.) And no, they do not go hang out and cook hotdogs in a fishing area.

Hopes this answered most of your questions.

 

[ziggy]

Hi Fran, It is always so good to see you ;}

Having thought allot about this in cases such as Caylee's, Haleigh's and now Nevaeh's, I have come to the realization these mothers and often primary caregivers, don't care if they raise their children to the standards of American acceptability. Reminding them what to do to keep their children safe would probably go in one ear and out the other!

They care about themselves #1 and make sure the child doesn't disrupt or threaten their own lifestyle. Neglect, physical and emotional abuse seem common with people of this ILK.

I think something is wrong with our society in dealing with people like this. And we are now seeing a surge of cases like this as though it is an epidemic.

In my mind I compare it to the economic term Laissez Faire and am sure George Whatley and Ben Franklin would :waitasec: to see their thoughts applied to raising children. LOL Maybe not.

But I see it as having the same principles, not setting measures or guidelines that might hinder the benefit of the parent and threaten the lifestyle they desire, leaving these children to roam almost freely, like little weeds, with little direction and guidance for their futures. It is a path of least resistance IMO.

I think we need to revamp the penalties, bump up the sentencing and take a whole new stance on Child Services straight across the board where it comes down to the importance of each child. xox

Bold by me.

It is an epidemic and author Jean Twenge has written about it and done studies. We are becoming a nation of narcissists and it will be an epidemic. It's because we put so much emphasis on the individual - live your life the way you want to and screw everyone else and what they think.

Her stuff is so interesting to read. I can see why we have a rise in these types of crime. Things like having weddings in your shorts and t shirts seem innocuous, but as a whole our society doesn't want to answer to anything. If it's what WE want, then everyone else can pound sand.

I get it. And I also get that harsh sentences are needed, but they won't stop the problem Better get out your checkbook - we need to build more prisons.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

It bothers you for good reason.
"Mom" had only been back for 4-5 months.
She was new in Nevaeh's life.
In that time frame she brings a known sex offender around her kid.

And then if that wasn't enough she herself blurs the boundaries for this little girl. No need to wait for GK to groom her and buy her trust, she has her own mother telling her that this is "daddy george" and putting him in a father figure role. He has been seeing Savannah for a month so this daddy thing had to have started on about day one.

Even if Nevaeh's own radar system told her something was off about the new guy who bought her toys and clothes and was trying way to hard to earn her trust.... she was already being taught to override that intuition, to ignore it, that she was wrong. Daddy George just loved her. GAG.

GRRRRRRRR! :furious: Yes. Sounds like exactly what she did to her.

 

[STEADFAST]

Hi STEADFAST, Funny, isn't it, but I see more of a similarity between Haleigh's case and Navaeh's than with Sandra's.

The low lifestyle caused by drinkin' and doing drugs, the choice of bad friends and self-centered lifestyle of all involved. That is what I see here and in Haleigh's case.

In Sandra's case I see a crazy lady who is a true, pathalogical chamellion {sp}, and so clever at deceiving people that no one ever saw the trees thru the forest when it came to her. Very scary! xox

Hey, scandi!

I haven't followed Haleigh's case, though I have been vaguely aware that there are lots of possible "perps." So there's another case recently where there are lots of people to suspect.

I know that no one could have known what Huckaby was, but I'm just saying Sandra was surrounded by known pervs, as was Nevaeh. It just seems like this year we have so many cases where we've got lots of people to investigate, people who really seem like they could have done something horrible to a child. It's scary!

 

[cleo612]

I am amazed by Nevaeh's and Sandra Cantu's cases, the way there are so many people around them who "could" have done it. Usually, when a child goes missing like this, it's hard to figure out anyone around who'd do such a thing. But both of them seemed to live in vipers' pits of SO's -- you couldn't throw a stone without hitting one. And as Sandra's case proved, we don't even know about so many who haven't been caught yet.

It makes me so sad to think of so many children surrounded by this lurking evil. And to think Nevaeh's mom drew her even closer into the danger!!:furious::furious::furious:

It is truly sickening--I mean, stomach churning, gut wrenching, obscenely disgusting, puke envoking sickening.

It makes me want to take these irresponsible mothers and slap the crapola out of them until they come to their senses. The problem is, they are so jaded in their thinking that no amount of talking, slapping, shaking, screaming, yelling or crying is going to get the idea through their heads.

It must be nice to live in such a silver lining cloud looking out upon the world with those rose colored glasses all the time. :banghead:

Now, yet another baby is dead--all because of this half-witted idea that a registered sex offender deserves another chance to prove that he won't reoffend.

I wonder if the reality has sunk in to this mother yet, that she may have led her own baby to be slaughtered.

I am sorry--I have been in tears all night so my mood is not the best.

This is all just SO WRONG.

I'm going back to lurking for a while till I can gather my wits about me.

Rest in peace, little Nevaeh. You deserved SO much more.

 

[momtective]

Is this possibly the area where Navaeh's body was recovered. I used the map on the Super Pages searching around D C Construction. This location is between Dixon Rd and Ida Maybee Rd. http://yellowpages.superpages.com/m...e+Road&city=Monroe&state=MI&zip=48161&spad=no

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Bold by me.

It is an epidemic and author Jean Twenge has written about it and done studies. We are becoming a nation of narcissists and it will be an epidemic. It's because we put so much emphasis on the individual - live your life the way you want to and screw everyone else and what they think.

Her stuff is so interesting to read. I can see why we have a rise in these types of crime. Things like having weddings in your shorts and t shirts seem innocuous, but as a whole our society doesn't want to answer to anything. If it's what WE want, then everyone else can pound sand.

I get it. And I also get that harsh sentences are needed, but they won't stop the problem Better get out your checkbook - we need to build more prisons.

I have to disagree. I will save my many reasons why.

 

[kiki the parrot]

Hi STEADFAST, Funny, isn't it, but I see more of a similarity between Haleigh's case and Navaeh's than with Sandra's.

The low lifestyle caused by drinkin' and doing drugs, the choice of bad friends and self-centered lifestyle of all involved. That is what I see here and in Haleigh's case.

In Sandra's case I see a crazy lady who is a true, pathalogical chamellion {sp}, and so clever at deceiving people that no one ever saw the trees thru the forest when it came to her. Very scary! xox

Agree 100%. The fate of both Nevaeh and Haleigh appears the result of environmental/parental lifestyles.
arrot:

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Agree 100%. The fate of both Nevaeh and Haleigh appears the result of environmental/parental lifestyles.
arrot:

No one has proven that in Haleigh's case. Please let's not bring it into this one.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

While evidence seems to lean towards GK now, can anyone think of a reason to exclude him? I can't.

 

[momtective]

In reference to my post above...I think it's too far away from the river...she was at the river right? I actually though that was a little backwater area of the river but it really looks more like a retaining pond once I widened out the map. Sorry for the confusion, I'm just looking for areas in close proximity to D C Construction, on the water.

 

[DotsEyes]

That story about Savannah and her blood from a tat is hinky hinky hinky, IMHO.

Maybe she was getting a home tat from her baby-raper, parolee beau. Jail tats!

 

[Peliman]

While evidence seems to lean towards GK now, can anyone think of a reason to exclude him? I can't.

No I can't but it also brings into question his alibi girlfriend.

 

[petresq_algc]

While evidence seems to lean towards GK now, can anyone think of a reason to exclude him? I can't.

IA. The only thing that makes me question that is when LE said or implied that the perp was still out in the community. With all the blood found in the motel, it is hard for me to believe that he was not involved. I hope LE demanded to see his and gf's injuries.

 

[kiki the parrot]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion I believe it was you Scandi who initially drew the parallel--that there is indeed an epidemic of poor parenting and a culture of drugs which put another child similarly at risk. I know not everyone will make this comparison, but I appreciate your willingness to recognize the tragic similarities in the environments of the vast majority of defenselesss children who fall victim to some form or other of foul play. JMO

arrot:

 

[DotsEyes]

ITA My crackhead neighbor always sends her 4 year old boy out by himself when she is getting high. It is so obvious. The poor little guy walks around in circles crying his eyes out. Child protective services is there on an inconsistent basis. I just know something bad is going to happen to that baby boy. There is nothing I can do but watch out for him when I am home. So sad.

gogrannypop - please video tape him being shut out, walking in circles and crying. . . strong evidence in a court room so that the child can be taken into state custody.

I would have to get invovled.

 

[AfterSunset]

Bold by me.

It is an epidemic and author Jean Twenge has written about it and done studies. We are becoming a nation of narcissists and it will be an epidemic. It's because we put so much emphasis on the individual - live your life the way you want to and screw everyone else and what they think.

Her stuff is so interesting to read. I can see why we have a rise in these types of crime. Things like having weddings in your shorts and t shirts seem innocuous, but as a whole our society doesn't want to answer to anything. If it's what WE want, then everyone else can pound sand.

I get it. And I also get that harsh sentences are needed, but they won't stop the problem Better get out your checkbook - we need to build more prisons.

~OT~ Thank you for this author..I think I'll have to order one of her books..sounds like a very interesting read to me..

and I just want to say that this is again one of the saddest things...I hate what is happening to our little ones...I can't say what I'd like to say cause I'd probably get some TO so for now I'll just go back to lurking and reading..

 

[Truthwillsetufree]

That story about Savannah and her blood from a tat is hinky hinky hinky, IMHO.

Maybe she was getting a home tat from her baby-raper, parolee beau. Jail tats!

Uh that's just nasty...what was he using, a safety pin and ink from a bic pen?

 

[SeriouslySearching]

No I can't but it also brings into question his alibi girlfriend.

Yes. It does. Now why is that? Let's get down to why she would be subservient into him taking a child, raping, and killing her? I saw mention earlier he was her perp...is this true?

 

[petresq_algc]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion I believe it was you Scandi who initially drew the parallel--that there is indeed an epidemic of poor parenting and a culture of drugs which put another child similarly at risk. I know not everyone will make this comparison, but I appreciate your willingness to recognize the tragic similarities in the environments of the vast majority of defenselesss children who fall victim to some form or other of foul play. JMO

arrot:

I respect your opinion. In this case we have proof of the mother endangering her daughter by knowingly bringing RSO's into her daughter's life. So far, in the HaLeigh case there is nothing but rumors.