MI MI - New Buffalo, "Betty the Bag Lady", WhtFem 65-75, UP8224, wrapped in sheet/towel/2 bags, Aug'92

[Cherylloughlin]

I am Dna match with jane doe, she is fully Irish according to her Dna. Her parents were likely Irish immigrants or her line has stayed Irish. I know she fits in with my Loughlin line from Dungarvan in Ireland somewhere along the lines. If her Dna was on ancestry it would most likely already be solved

 

[Cherylloughlin]

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“[Betty] has matches with recent Irish heritage, but unfortunately they are too low for us to successfully work with because the common ancestors with the Jane Doe are probably in the early 1800s, before the Irish civil records were established,” he said.
“It looks like one of her parents may well have been an Irish immigrant, or at least of full Irish descent.”

I am fully Irish and my Dna looks like that on Ged Match. As far as I have been told her Dna is fully Irish with the odd 3% somewhere else. I am her third highest match, her first and second are my great grandfather's nieces who are well into their 90s. My great grandparent had 8 siblings that went to America. On that line we have people further back. On ancestry I have been looking at a women who is of full Irish ancestry

 

[Cherylloughlin]

I am fully Irish and my Dna looks like that on Ged Match. As far as I have been told her Dna is fully Irish with the odd 3% somewhere else. I am her third highest match, her first and second are my great grandfather's nieces who are well into their 90s. My great grandparent had 8 siblings that went to America. On that line we have people further back. On ancestry I have been looking at a women who is of full Irish ancestry

Sorry I didn't get to finish, I hit reply by mistake. So two people have been looking into this one the police and another lady who is not with the police she did have excess to her Dna, but no longer does. There is a women born in 1920 who is of full Irish ancestry she was born in Chicago in 1922, and died in Indiana in 1992. I am looking to see if she has any sisters, and if I can find their death certificates. She does have a resemblance to this lady

 

[ginestra]

I am Dna match with jane doe, she is fully Irish according to her Dna. Her parents were likely Irish immigrants or her line has stayed Irish. I know she fits in with my Loughlin line from Dungarvan in Ireland somewhere along the lines. If her Dna was on ancestry it would most likely already be solved

Do you have any connections to Midwest here?

 

[djanga]

I am fully Irish and my Dna looks like that on Ged Match. As far as I have been told her Dna is fully Irish with the odd 3% somewhere else. I am her third highest match, her first and second are my great grandfather's nieces who are well into their 90s. My great grandparent had 8 siblings that went to America. On that line we have people further back. On ancestry I have been looking at a women who is of full Irish ancestry

Interesting! According to the DNA Doe Project, Berrien County Jane Doe has a new highest match of cM 131.7, maybe this match is your granfather? Or it could be entirely new match

 

[SimsGuy67]

I have sent an email about a potential match. I'm not allowed to say who it is, based on Websleuths TOS, but I have spoken about her on this thread:

DE - DE - Georgetown, Fem 20-33, UP6275, Cranium in city dump, Sep'64

I saw this NamUs casefile with several photos of the unidentified victim's cranium. I took a shot at trying to depict how she might have looked in life. There are a lot of unknowns here, and this is an attempt to show facial shape and not her overall look. There was no hair or clothing found...

www.websleuths.com

Her Irish ties and surname match DNA Doe Project's findings. She also bears a resemblance to Jane Doe (Note the woman disappeared in the 50s, so she would have been older at this time), especially in the nose. Age is 5 years off, but that's the biggest discrepancy I can find.

 

[SimsGuy67]

We are pretty sure my MP isn't BTBL unfortunately. MP's granddaughter's DNA is in GEDmatch and she doesn't recognize some names of BTBL's matches I was given.

 

[lightofmine99]

Bumping for Betty the Bag Lady.

 

[Carrera6]

Where Betty's Body Was Found, She had no teeth and her hands had been cut off.

 

[Carrera6]

Pillowcase Found with Betty

 

[Carrera6]

It is a fitted sheet

View attachment 551032Pillowcase Found with BettyView attachment 551031

This is a fitted sheet not a pillowcase

 

[Susikatze]

Interesting! According to the DNA Doe Project, Berrien County Jane Doe has a new highest match of cM 131.7, maybe this match is your granfather? Or it could be entirely new match

I have no idea why her matches are not higher given the really large percentage of descendants of Irish immigrants in the US.

 

[djanga]

According to their website, The DNA Doe Project is no longer working on her case. I wonder how the transfer of cases works and if a new agency starts from scratch?

 

[Susikatze]

According to their website, The DNA Doe Project is no longer working on her case. I wonder how the transfer of cases works and if a new agency starts from scratch?

Did they write someone else is working it?

 

[inmyhumbleopinion]

Did they write someone else is working it?

“Status: This case is no longer being worked on by the DNA Doe Project and is now with another provider of investigative genetic genealogy, but it remains an open case.”

Betty the Bag Lady Berrien Co 1992 | DNA Doe Project

dnadoeproject.org

 

[Caring1]

NamUs was modified today.

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

By bringing people, information, forensic science and technology together, NamUs helps resolve cases.

www.namus.gov

3 Missing Person Exclusions

 

[ginestra]

That is a TX number and county. Is our Doe from Tx maybe?

 

[ginestra]

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

By bringing people, information, forensic science and technology together, NamUs helps resolve cases.

www.namus.gov

Dorothy Smith Kelley, Female, White / Caucasian

maybe? Oh my this was my first local infatuation websleuths case. Is it going to be solved?

 

[Caring1]

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

By bringing people, information, forensic science and technology together, NamUs helps resolve cases.

www.namus.gov

Dorothy Smith Kelley, Female, White / Caucasian

maybe? Oh my this was my first local infatuation websleuths case. Is it going to be solved?

They do look similar but I don’t think this is Dorothy as she went missing 10 months after BTBL was found.

 

[ginestra]

They do look similar but I don’t think this is Dorothy as she went missing 10 months after BTBL was found.

I mean says the husband? He reported it. He could of not reported it when it happened. I am not sure if she had family or not.