GUILTY MI - Paul DeWolf, 25, fatally shot in Ann Arbor frat house, 23 July 2013

[Woe.be.gone]

It's possible that someone was jealous of Paul's success. He was able to obtain an automatic officer status in the air force through the program he was accepted in. Maybe someone felt he received a ranking without earning it and needed to prove their superiority.

But wasn't that three years ago when he entered medical school?
Why would his officer status upset anybody now? From what I understand, it was only a title and he wasn't active in the role yet. Unless they were jealous of the financial aid he received but he committed to serve in exchange for that too. Whoever killed him, took that away too. They'll have to pay for that too.

For example Generals usually are respected in the civilian world, but their rank doesn't really mean squat to the Apple people. lol!

 

[Woe.be.gone]

They probably would be if the police catches them. I believe that there have been "jokers" which
have been prosecuted.

Well then start worrying about an inner city Chicago atmosphere developing.
Except few of them are being prosecuted. :scared:

 

[bourne]

They probably would be if the police catches them. I believe that there have been "jokers" which
have been prosecuted.

IMO, getting hit with a paintball is a serious matter. I myself had played paintball in an established paintball game center ONCE a long time ago. I got hit on the chest and it hurt like heck! And I was wearing a protective body armor and face mask!

I asked friends of mine who have played paintball and they say the rules SPECIFICALLY say NOT to hit the neck or head or other exposed area of a person's body. They also say that those who do are called "Agg" = Aggressive. The term "Agg" used to refer to paintball players who targeted newbies in the game, but then it got expanded to encompass those who are physically violent/aggressive in the game including aiming in areas they're not supposed to -- although in "official" paintball games, once you hit someone in the neck, you and your whole team is disqualified and forfeit the game to your opponents.

Here's a news story about paintball shootings of random strangers in S. Tulsa, OK. Criminal charges may be filed against the perps -- if they're ever caught, according to the article.

http://www.fox23.com/news/local/story/Paintball-Guns-Are-Powerful/10pjiQPh-0SrHkxjAkmJcA.cspx

"nedly" posted that a man in Smithville Ontario got hit in the neck with a paintball and was "killed instantly".

http://forums.plentyoffish.com/datingPosts5665806.aspx

 

[bourne]

I'm in the US and never heard of random bb gun shootings in good neighborhoods occurring - that's considered an assault.

Some woman aimed a bb gun at two police officers and was shot dead on the spot. You can't openly aim a gun at anybody for sport or because you think it's funny. The casual attitude is strange to me too.

I agree, although I have heard about "kids" playing with bb-guns and shooting at abandoned houses, and other kids or even animals. But most of these incidents seem to be in the midwest of the U.S.

I think both bb-guns and paintball guns are serious weapons with the potential to do harm. Reckless shootings should be illegal and more of these shooters prosecuted.

Here's a story of a man getting hit in the head by a bb-gun on the same day that Paul is reportedly murdered (July 23, 2013) but the bb-gun incident happened in Oak Forest, IL, which is, according to google maps 3-4 hours drive away from Ann Arbor, MI where Paul's frat is.

http://oakforest.patch.com/groups/p...r-scored-headshot-on-man-in-moving-car-police

 

[bourne]

I noticed that, too. I thought it was odd that PD blew it off as some people being immature. Drive-by shooting a person that is out running is serious even if it's a bb gun. PD also says a paint gun would have been better as in left a better injury, I suppose.

Paul did not blow it off. He posted on his Fb a pic of his bb gun injury and even said that it was "serious". I think he likely reported it to the campus police.

He said a "paintball gun" would have been "better". I took it to mean he was saying that a paintball gun would have caused a less severe injury.

:waitasec: Now that makes me wonder: Could Paul's murderer be the same perp who shot him way back last Oct 23, 2012? His murder was Aug 23, 2013. Hmm...both dates are on the 23rd of a month. I wonder if that's just pure coincidence or has special meaning to the perp -- assuming the bb gun shooter is the same person who shot and murdered Paul.

 

[bourne]

Here's a poster who says he's an Oral and Maxillofacial Surgeon, a medical professional in the Navy, and that he "addicted" to paintball. He talks about injuries of paintball to the neck region.

"Getting hit in the Thyroid Cartilage aka the Adam's Apple:

From a distance this will just make you not feel too good for a few min, welp, bruise, made fun of. If you were to get hit there from a less then 15 - 20ft away, it could possible casue enough damage to collapse your trachea (windpipe) or actually cause enough swelling to make you start choking. Both of these are not really that likely but could possibly happen

Getting hit in the Carotid Sheath (Carotid Artery, Jugular Vein, and Vegus Nerve) aka the side of the neck:

From a distant see above. If you were to get hit from close, you could disturb the Carotid Basal Bodies, which are partially responsible for regulating blood pressure. Depending on the damage, your BP could go up (massive headache) or go down (really dizzy, possible faint). If the Carotid Artery was to become damaged, you wouldn't immediatley know it becasue the opposite side would provide enough blood to supply the brain. Within about 5-10 min, you would have a hematoma (massive swelling of blood) in you neck which would probably begin drainging into you chest cavity causing difficulty breathing a decreased heart function. If your Jugular Vein, you would instantly know it becasue your Blood pressure would begin rising and the same Hematoma formation would begin. If the impact were to casue any type of Nerve damamge, you could possible get heart palpitaitons, or difficulty breathing

Either injury could possibly cause death if the impact is placed in the right location, from the right distance, at the right FPS. History shows us that no one has died from these types of injuries but the question was asked and I thought I would give a fair assesment"

http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?t=2561719&page=3

NOTE: I have no idea if this poster is telling the truth or not and IDK if we can take his words at face value.

 

[bourne]

Paul did not blow it off. He posted on his Fb a pic of his bb gun injury and even said that it was "serious". I think he likely reported it to the campus police.

He said a "paintball gun" would have been "better". I took it to mean he was saying that a paintball gun would have caused a less severe injury.

:waitasec: Now that makes me wonder: Could Paul's murderer be the same perp who shot him way back last Oct 23, 2012? His murder was Aug 23, 2013. Hmm...both dates are on the 23rd of a month. I wonder if that's just pure coincidence or has special meaning to the perp -- assuming the bb gun shooter is the same person who shot and murdered Paul.

Just to follow-up with my own post, I'm thinking from Oct. 23, 2012 to Aug 23, 2013 -- that is what, some 10 months later that some random bb gun shooter decides to seriously go after and murder Paul? Maybe, but seems far-fetched to me. That would mean this random bb-gun shooter-turned-murderer must have been obsessed with Paul and had stalked Paul for ten whole months and that neither Paul nor his closest friends/family members knew about his stalker of 10 months? Or that Paul was aware but didn't say anything to his friends/family?

Nah...So I'm going with my initial hypothesis which is that Paul's murderer is someone close to him (not a random bb-gun shooter) and who harbored long-standing, pent-up jealousy and strong negative emotions against him.

 

[black_squirrel]

Just a correction: Paul was killed on July 23 or 24. Not August.

 

[SapphireSteel]

Just to follow-up with my own post, I'm thinking from Oct. 23, 2012 to Aug 23, 2013 -- that is what, some 10 months later that some random bb gun shooter decides to seriously go after and murder Paul? Maybe, but seems far-fetched to me. That would mean this random bb-gun shooter-turned-murderer must have been obsessed with Paul and had stalked Paul for ten whole months and that neither Paul nor his closest friends/family members knew about his stalker of 10 months? Or that Paul was aware but didn't say anything to his friends/family?

Nah...So I'm going with my initial hypothesis which is that Paul's murderer is someone close to him (not a random bb-gun shooter) and who harbored long-standing, pent-up jealousy and strong negative emotions against him.

Well I for one don't like the "coincidence", that's for sure.

Paintball attracts some real freaks...guys who would rather be using real guns on real targets.

My opinion could change as more detail comes out, but I have the strong sense this was NOT a crime of passion - more like an execution.

I don't think he saw it coming, I think he was shot through the spine.

:twocents:

 

[thesaint]

The angle of a competitive medical student reminds me of when my DH...(BF at the time)... Was in pre-med....

it was amazing how students would sabotage other students' labs/research/etc. to get an "edge up"...

In fact... That is part of the reason why my DH decided not to pursue this field...

He was appalled at the lack of ethics in a field where ethics is so important...

(well... Ethics is important in ALL areas, of course... But in such a supposedly "helping" profession... It seems many medical students didn't find this to be so...)

JMO

Something of a call-back to the Omaha case where 2 doctors son and housekeeper were murdered in broad daylight, as they say.

 

[thesaint]

His brother posted this image on his facebook page:

I don't know whether the guns belongs to the brother or to one of his friends.
Any gun experts here?

Black mini-sub-machine gun looking thing appears to be an Uzi. The revolver is likely a full-bore .38.

 

[thesaint]

My guess is shot in the neck area specifically was not deliberate. Unless Paul was sleeping. Or the person with a gun was a real shooting expert. Neck doesn't make a very good target being a small area. So usually people are taught to shoot into body mass. Even head would make a better target being bigger.

Agreed. No murder for hire shooter is going to settle for a single neck shot. Two in the head, one in the heart is the standard formula for guns for hire. The neck shot is way too risky.

Only 3 pages in, but my leading guess is that dude was the victim of a highly improbable but entirely possible (given the area) "accident". i.e., someone was firing a small caliber rifle in the area and a round accidentally ended up in Paul's neck and killed him.

Likely the shooter didn't even know he shot anyone at the time and for some time after--would guess that with all the media coverage of this, that the shooter has more than an inkling of what happened to Paul by now.

 

[thesaint]

Thanks, good interview and greats pictures of Paul. Touching how Paul would tell his mother "you can do this". Sad to see his lab coat and ID....

Talks about the $10,000 reward, hope someone comes forward with info

Wow, $10K....if I'm ever murdered, I'd hope my family would have enough respect for me not to offer any reward at all if they were just going to low-ball it. IMO/YMMV/YADDA.

 

[thesaint]

So I have no idea what time the video captured the witness near DeWolf's frat house except it was on July 23, 2013 Tuesday. I still find it very very strange that the surveillance camera only captured ONE witness during the entire Tues night until Wed morning at 11:30am. Don't at least a few residents in the area including the brothers of the frat rise early to go for morning jogs or have early work? Is there only ONE surveillance camera in the entire vicinity of the frat house?

<modsnip>

Ann Arbor's a ghost town in July. Until the Ann Arbor Art Fair and Michigan Football and the Fall semester all start in August.

 

[thesaint]

Plus small caliber weapon fits with no loud gunshot being heard/reported.

At least in my experience in the military/hunting/etc, the high-pitched "crack" shot of a .22 or other small caliber firearm (M-16 is similarly small caliber) is more stereotypical a "gun-shot" and more readily picked up on than a high-powered, long-booming rifle or powerful handgun shot.

tho as this was close to the 4th of July....?

 

[thesaint]

I thought it was stated that the gun was held to his neck? Did I misunderstand that?

I think given the inability of the ME and investigators to determine COD right off, the gun was nowhere near Paul's neck or likely even in the room when it was fired....

 

[thesaint]

I don't think it stands out. There are smart kids on every college campus, how many of them are killed for it? There were certainly smarter kids than Paul......
I just can't buy this theory. But I appreciate that others are tossing it around.

Drugs? Sex? Secrets? Jealousy? Money?
Those are motives for murder almost 100% of the time.

Good points.

Paul was living in the basement of crappy frat house over the Summer in Ann Arbor--hardly a life to be envied when there are Freshmen on U-M's Ann Arbor campus who drive Teslas and live in luxury condos and jet home to NYC/LA every other weekend...

Among Drugs/Sex/Secrets/Jealousy/Money...only sex and secrets seem to be possibly in play here.

Money? Again, Paul appears to have lived rather spartanly--plenty of other U-M Ann Arbor students flashing cash and driving around in and living in luxury.

Drugs? Doctors and Med students have access to drugs galore--if they so choose. Paul would've have little reason to resort to street dealers to get his kicks.

Sex/Secrets/Jealousy---Paul's taste in women, either organically or as a function of being a medical student--appears to have run toward various Asian women--possible he hooked up with some fellow med student female who was the apple of a fellow countrymen (of her's) eye and the jealous rival took out Paul.

I still like accidental shooting by a distant, non-intentional shooter as the most likely scenario.

 

[thesaint]

Also there is another shooting of a student, same thing, one shot, never solved, same county but a few years ago.

As an Australian I find it statistically incredible that two young students are murdered by unknown hands in the same county, without any motive, suspects, or robbery etc. Add in a third student and I'm :waitasec:


:cow:

Eh, America's a violent place, and Michigan is up there with Texas in terms of gun-ownership and violence. Tho Julie was also a somewhat visible/high-profile student, as she was interested in a career in media.

 

[thesaint]

How does anyone get themselves shot by a BB gun?

Is it something that happens when you're strolling down the street? Just another random "I got shot at today" day? Or would it be someone you know taking pot shots at you?

:waitasec:

Either way, why wasn't it reported anywhere? Surely it is illegal to shoot someone? Is it common to get shot by BB guns where Paul lived?

:dunno:

Again, Michigan's quietly as gun-crazy as any state in the USA.

The BB gun thing happened, I believe, in April? Which is when 2 things are happening:

1. U-M Ann Arbor students are finishing off their semester/academic year and, for 99% of them, about to bug out of Ann Arbor for at least the Summer, if not forever. So any crime against them of a minor sort is not likely to be pursued by local law enforcement (townies mostly).

2. Local high school students are finishing up their terms/year/careers and likely feeling some resentment toward the Public University with an Ivy League bent that rejected them or wouldn't have considered them in the first place (see: "Breaking Away").

So the locals/townies/"cutters" (in Breaking Away parlance) take some revenge on the carpetbagging students from NY/NY/CA and drive around taking out mail-boxes with baseball bats, tp'ing frat houses and, yes, randomly shooting U-M students in the legs with BB guns.

I wouldn't read too much into a U-M med student taking a shot from a BB gun in the leg in April (or any other month)...it happens all the time.

 

[black_squirrel]

Agreed. No murder for hire shooter is going to settle for a single neck shot. Two in the head, one in the heart is the standard formula for guns for hire. The neck shot is way too risky.

Only 3 pages in, but my leading guess is that dude was the victim of a highly improbable but entirely possible (given the area) "accident". i.e., someone was firing a small caliber rifle in the area and a round accidentally ended up in Paul's neck and killed him.

Likely the shooter didn't even know he shot anyone at the time and for some time after--would guess that with all the media coverage of this, that the shooter has more than an inkling of what happened to Paul by now.

I think it is nearly impossible that a stray bullet would have flown through
the basement window. I believe the basement window is in the back and the back of the house is covered. If the bullet came from outside, it would have been fired close to the window. Also it would have broken the window, unless the window was open. But an open window would also be an indication of a break-in, but police said there were no signs of a break-in.