GUILTY MI - Paul DeWolf, 25, fatally shot in Ann Arbor frat house, 23 July 2013

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UM has an enrollment of about 43,000, EMU of about 19,000. Coincidences never set well but the combined student populations of the two schools do mitigate in favor of the deaths having been one.
 
  • #122
wfgodot said:
UM has an enrollment of about 43,000, EMU of about 19,000. Coincidences never set well but the combined student populations of the two schools do mitigate in favor of the deaths having been one.
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I know Americans have a gun in every cupboard but even so....

I live in a university town and you know how many unsolved student murders we have had over the last 150 years?

None. Which is as it should be.

There has never been one murder within the student body over all of those years, let alone TWO "mystery" murders with no weapon, motive, evidence.

If there was motive, or suspects even - fair enough. But LE in both cases have publicly stated that they are stumped. No leads, no evidence, no theories even.

THAT is strange. You can imagine a love triangle sort of thing, a robbery sort of thing, even a rape attack - but those would leave evidence, even if it is only circumstantial.

LE here are totally mystified, in both cases. That right there is a massive indicator that these may be connected.

:cow: and all.
 
  • #123
SapphireSteel said:
I know Americans have a gun in every cupboard but even so....

I live in a university town and you know how many unsolved student murders we have had over the last 150 years?

None. Which is as it should be.

There has never been one murder within the student body over all of those years, let alone TWO "mystery" murders with no weapon, motive, evidence.

If there was motive, or suspects even - fair enough. But LE in both cases have publicly stated that they are stumped. No leads, no evidence, no theories even.

THAT is strange. You can imagine a love triangle sort of thing, a robbery sort of thing, even a rape attack - but those would leave evidence, even if it is only circumstantial.

LE here are totally mystified, in both cases. That right there is a massive indicator that these may be connected.

:cow: and all.
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It's the cause of the cause of death in each of these cases that hinders me from thinking they might be connected, but you make good points - definitely worth considering.
 
  • #124
fred&edna said:
It's the cause of the cause of death in each of these cases that hinders me from thinking they might be connected, but you make good points - definitely worth considering.
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Honestly, I'm the last person to suspect serial.

But these two...:waitasec:

IF they are related, a huge IF, it seems that the perp may well be a student, or at least pass for a student on a casual glance.

Someone on campus has seen something but maybe doesn't realise what they've seen because whoever it was didn't stand out.

Don't most apartment blocks/campuses have security cams now?
 
  • #125
Months before University of Michigan medical student Paul DeWolf was found dead from a single gunshot inside his room at a fraternity, Eastern Michigan University journalism student Julia Niswender was found drowned in a bathtub in an "unnatural position" at her Ypsilanti apartment, according to police.

Police don't think the cases are at all connected, but investigations continue in both. Each have cash rewards for information leading to the arrest of a suspect. As Ann Arbor police track down leads in the DeWolf case, however, the Niswender case seems to be at a standstill.

http://annarbor.com/news/ypsilanti/police-detectives-have-exhausted-leads-in-julia-niswender-case/


Police say they don't think they are connected.

That means they've thought about a link in the first place.

I wonder why?

:cow:
 
  • #126
No robbery, + it's not suicide = it's personal. It's about emotions, jealousy, rage, revenge, scornfulness.

And if a woman was to pull the trigger, perhaps she might not desire to see his head implode---maybe the neck seemed like an easier target area? And I doubt she'd have the stomach to fire more bullets, especially if her life was *not* threatened.

Just theorizing in a psychological type of way.....
 
  • #127
ATasteOfHoney said:
No robbery, + it's not suicide = it's personal. It's about emotions, jealousy, rage, revenge, scornfulness.

And if a woman was to pull the trigger, perhaps she might not desire to see his head implode---maybe the neck seemed like an easier target area? And I doubt she'd have the stomach to fire more bullets, especially if her life was *not* threatened.

Just theorizing in a psychological type of way.....
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Bundy took out nearly an entire sorority and he didn't know one of them.

Not that I think there is another Bundy afoot - at least I hope not.

What I'm saying is, robbery, suicide or personal motive are not the only possible explanations.

Some folks like killing for the hell of it.

Neither of these crimes appear particularly "passionate" to me. No sexual assault. No robbery. Just get in, kill, get out again, execution style almost.

These murders almost appear like mob hits....job done.

:sick:
 
  • #128
SapphireSteel said:
Bundy took out nearly an entire sorority and he didn't know one of them.

Not that I think there is another Bundy afoot - at least I hope not.

What I'm saying is, robbery, suicide or personal motive are not the only possible explanations.

Some folks like killing for the hell of it.

Neither of these crimes appear particularly "passionate" to me. No sexual assault. No robbery. Just get in, kill, get out again, execution style almost.

These murders almost appear like mob hits....job done.

:sick:
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Bundy is a man and a serial killer. I am proposing the psychology of a scorned woman type of thing.
Which is a totally different concept.

Well, just wait and see.........:facepalm:
 
  • #129
ATasteOfHoney said:
Bundy is a man and a serial killer. I am proposing the psychology of a scorned woman type of thing.
Which is a totally different concept.

Well, just wait and see.........:facepalm:
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A woman is also possible but very unlikely to my mind.

I would have thought that a woman perp who knows the victim would be easily identified.

LE say they have cleared all obvious leads, which would include a scorned/love triangle type crime :moo:

A student doctor doesn't usually have a lot of time or energy for an active romantic life.

Living in student accommodation even though he was employed, tends to underline this. A player would have his own place. :cow:

Only opinion, of course it could be another Jodi Arias. But friends knew about Jodi and her stalky behaviours, she was an "obvious lead".
 
  • #130
ATasteOfHoney said:
No robbery, + it's not suicide = it's personal. It's about emotions, jealousy, rage, revenge, scornfulness.

And if a woman was to pull the trigger, perhaps she might not desire to see his head implode---maybe the neck seemed like an easier target area? And I doubt she'd have the stomach to fire more bullets, especially if her life was *not* threatened.

Just theorizing in a psychological type of way.....
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Even though I mentioned the Julia Niswender case earlier in this discussion as an unsolved homicide of a college student in the same general area of Michigan (Washtenaw County), I was not suggesting that the cases are related. While both cases probably involve all or some of the various emotions that you describe above, I don't believe that they are related.

I agree that both cases seem very personal. Assuming that Ms. Niswender was confronted in her bathroom while preparing for a bath was obviously a deliberate intrusion into Julia's private space. In the case of Paul DeWolf, I'm reminded that body language specialists always speak about the throat/neck area as being especially sensitive and that gestures in this area signify personal vulnerability. This suggests to me that the victim had made the perp feel fragile and vulnerable, so he/she felt the need to retaliate: Hence. the fatal shot to the neck. :moo:
 
  • #131
BetteDavisEyes said:
Even though I mentioned the Julia Niswender case earlier in this discussion as an unsolved homicide of a college student in the same general area of Michigan (Washtenaw County), I was not suggesting that the cases are related. While both cases probably involve all or some of the various emotions that you describe above, I don't believe that they are related.

I agree that both cases seem very personal. Assuming that Ms. Niswender was confronted in her bathroom while preparing for a bath was obviously a deliberate intrusion into Julia's private space. In the case of Paul DeWolf, I'm reminded that body language specialists always speak about the throat/neck area as being especially sensitive and that gestures in this area signify personal vulnerability. This suggests to me that the victim had made the perp feel fragile and vulnerable, so he/she felt the need to retaliate: Hence. the fatal shot to the neck. :moo:
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Bette:
I am not familiar with the Julia case at all.
I agree though about what you've written regarding Paul and the psych of vulnerability re: gunshot to the neck.
 
  • #132
ATasteOfHoney said:
Bette:
I am not familiar with the Julia case at all.
I agree though about what you've written regarding Paul and the psych of vulnerability re: gunshot to the neck.
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Here's an article with the details of the JN case in a nutshell:

Ypsilanti police chief confirms Julia Niswender was drowned in bathtub

Posted on Tue, Apr 9, 2013 : 9:30 p.m.

Ypsilanti police Chief Amy Walker confirmed Julia Niswender was found drowned in her bathtub and said the department is continuing to actively investigate the case as a homicide...

http://www.annarbor.com/news/ypsila...-confirms-julia-niswender-drowned-in-bathtub/
 
  • #133
ATasteOfHoney said:
Bette:
I am not familiar with the Julia case at all.
I agree though about what you've written regarding Paul and the psych of vulnerability re: gunshot to the neck.
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I personally cannot see any reason to intentionally hit someone's neck. It is awkward and not a very exposed target, like a head would be.

If it's personal and intentionally aimed, the gunshot would be to the head or face area :cow:

Most often, it's the body shot first, because it's easier to hit. The head/face wound comes later.

What I'm trying to say is, I think the perp aimed at the head not the neck, and missed.

Also, it depends on if there was contact. If the perp is firing from any distance, it's a given the shot missed jmo.

Only experienced marksmen can fire a gun and be sure of hitting the exact spot every time.

It's funny isn't it - I don't see these crimes as personal at all.

:dunno:
 
  • #134
ATasteOfHoney said:
Bundy is a man and a serial killer. I am proposing the psychology of a scorned woman type of thing.
Which is a totally different concept.

Well, just wait and see.........:facepalm:
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Yes, a person who's scorned and very upset holding a gun and threatening him, but not really thinking about killing him and the gun goes off (either not realizing how much pressure they have on the trigger, or actually squeezing the trigger intentionally) - either way once the shot is fired, they realize what they've done and take off..
 
  • #135
OldSteve said:
Yes, a person who's scorned and very upset holding a gun and threatening him, but not really thinking about killing him and the gun goes off (either not realizing how much pressure they have on the trigger, or actually squeezing the trigger intentionally) - either way once the shot is fired, they realize what they've done and take off..
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This is very close to what I've imagined occurring. But, then again... I've been wrong before.
 
  • #136
fred&edna said:
This is very close to what I've imagined occurring. But, then again... I've been wrong before.
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Yes, for some reason I get the same feeling as you... and I too have been wrong before...
Sure is a strange case!
 
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SapphireSteel said:
Kids in these towns have been victims of a serial before - ok now I'm seriously freaked out.



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I am not concerned about this. First of all, I really don't think that the
Ypsilanti case and the Ann Arbor case are related. The MO is quite different,
and the sex of the victims is not the same. Also, serial killers usually kill
for the thrill. Strangulation, torture etc. It is an expression of rage.
Such a killer would not get much satisfaction from shooting someone
with a single bullet.

It looks more like a mobster hit (not saying that it is one). But a mobster
would not bother trying to get into someones basement to kill someone,
if he did not have any good reason.
 
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