GUILTY MI - Paul DeWolf, 25, fatally shot in Ann Arbor frat house, 23 July 2013

  • #181
What information (apart from FB and rumour) implicates his friends?


:dunno:

We dont really know. It seems that the murder was no stranger. It could have been one of his friends or
acquaintances.
 
  • #182
We dont really know. It seems that the murder was no stranger. It could have been one of his friends or
acquaintances.

I must've missed that part.

Why do you say he knew his killer?

No sign of forced entry, he let them in?

I don't think that means he knew them, just that he thought he knew them, IYKWIM. Maintenance man, pizza guy (wrong room), there are a million other scenarios which could explain the lack of forced entry :cow:
 
  • #183
Some of the residents were at home during the murder. I wonder if they are considered suspect. I can
image that it would be awkward in that fraternity now. Do the residents suspect each other, or not? A
week or so after the murder, Paul's family organized a dinner at the fraternity for Paul's housemates.
Does that mean that the family believes that the residents do not have anything to do with the murder?
 
  • #184
Some of the residents were at home during the murder. I wonder if they are considered suspect. I can
image that it would be awkward in that fraternity now. Do the residents suspect each other, or not? A
week or so after the murder, Paul's family organized a dinner at the fraternity for Paul's housemates.
Does that mean that the family believes that the residents do not have anything to do with the murder?

I would imagine so...:waitasec: unless there's some sort of sting in place.

Also, I would assume that all the brothers were tested for GSR, including their rooms, clothes, workplaces and cars.

:twocents:
 
  • #185
I must've missed that part.

Why do you say he knew his killer?

No sign of forced entry, he let them in?

I don't think that means he knew them, just that he thought he knew them, IYKWIM. Maintenance man, pizza guy (wrong room), there are a million other scenarios which could explain the lack of forced entry :cow:

Why would a stranger kill DeWolf? The scene did not look like a burglar, and a burglar would not enter a building with
several people in it. Tha is why i think it was someone he knew.

The doors may have been unlocked. At the fraternity they may not lock all doors during the day.
 
  • #186
I would imagine so...:waitasec: unless there's some sort of sting in place.

Also, I would assume that all the brothers were tested for GSR, including their rooms, clothes, workplaces and cars.

:twocents:

Yes, that has occured to me. I have seen pictures of the event, and there is one older gentleman who I could not
identify. Perhaps a cop? Or just some other family member or family friend? Pictures were posted on the FB page
of JD, a close friend of DeWolf. Also present were Paul's sister, parents ( not his brother) and many residents or alumni
of the fraternity, and also SG who is a close friend, possibly romantic interest of Paul.
 
  • #187
Well we do have 15x the amount of citizens than Australia does and it's still a rare event. Also I wouldn't blame gun laws when there a variety of factors involved in crime, most being cultural. But really... Lets get back on topic.


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And Gary Ridgeway is one of the most prolific serial killers and he did not use a gun to murder his 50 victims. A lot of times serial killers prefer up close and personal methods when murdering their victims..........from strangulation to bludgeoning them to death.

imo
 
  • #188
  • #189
As a fourth year medical student he worked at the VA hospital in the area of general surgery on month long rotations with only one day off per week.

http://www.annarbor.com/news/crime/...d-investigating-death-of-u-m-medical-student/

Wondering if a patient blames him for something that went wrong with a surgical procedure. If a former soldier, the person would have experience shooting a gun. The medical students and interns are overworked and, of course, not experienced performing procedures on people yet - mistakes happen. Often one feels like a guinea pig at these places and made to feel as if you owe them something - just saying.
 
  • #190
As a fourth year medical student he worked at the VA hospital in the area of general surgery on month long rotations with only one day off per week.

http://www.annarbor.com/news/crime/...d-investigating-death-of-u-m-medical-student/

Wondering if a patient blames him for something that went wrong with a surgical procedure. If a former soldier, the person would have experience shooting a gun. The medical students and interns are overworked and, of course, not experienced performing procedures on people yet - mistakes happen. Often one feels like a guinea pig at these places and made to feel as if you owe them something - just saying.

Medical Students don't get to do crucial surgeries. The crucial procedures would be done by the attending physician, or by the medical resident. And those are the people who would likely be blamed if something would go wrong. If the motive were work related, I could imagine that he may have seen someone else make a crucial mistake, something for which the other person could use their license.
 
  • #191
Medical Students don't get to do crucial surgeries. The crucial procedures would be done by the attending physician, or by the medical resident. And those are the people who would likely be blamed if something would go wrong. If the motive were work related, I could imagine that he may have seen someone else make a crucial mistake, something for which the other person could use their license.

ITA. I very much doubt a patient would be blaming him if some surgery went wrong.
 
  • #192
Agreed.....this sounds personal to me.....and I am not sure it is a female that did this. ykwim?
 
  • #193
Male acquaintance with a grudge.
 
  • #194
Medical Students don't get to do crucial surgeries. The crucial procedures would be done by the attending physician, or by the medical resident. And those are the people who would likely be blamed if something would go wrong. If the motive were work related, I could imagine that he may have seen someone else make a crucial mistake, something for which the other person could use their license.

Something related to giving medical care or, like you said, something he was concerned about regarding procedures at the VA hospital and went above someone's head - something related to a mistake made at the hospital. I'm aware that he wasn't doing surgeries on his own but he's probably observing by now.

Is there any hands-on contact with patients as a fourth year student? His internship was coming up next year. Do they walk into that position without ever having done anything to a human at all? A person on my doctor's team, who has a certificate as a physician's helper (1-1/2 year certificate), drew my blood last Wednesday. While making conversation, I questioned her about the differences between her role, a nurse practitioner, an RN, etc. That's how I learned she wasn't a nurse!
 
  • #195
  • #196
Could be a jealous female. Certainly jealous females are capable of murder.

I'm open to the idea the perp could be a woman.

Still, I'm curious as to why the AF investigators came onboard. That would have to be because they suspect there could be a suspect within the VA hospital.
Otherwise, the University or civilian police would be responsible. They must want the work related environment to be examined for some reason.
 
  • #197
  • #198
I cannot completely dismiss the burglar theory, but I think the reason so few clues have been found is that the killer
planned it that way.

An interesting question is: why shoot in the neck? was this a shot badly aimed in the general direction of the victim,
or a carefully chosen effective target?

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_long_can_you_live_with_a_severed_artery

It says here that the carotid artery in the neck is the second biggest threat of arterial bleeds after the aorta. Is it possible that, if he was shot with a low caliber weapon that caused only a small entrance wound yet hit the artery without exiting the body, is enough to cause internal bleeding that led to death. Possibly without leaving any external evidence.

Someone I knew had a little gun that made only a quick popping sound when fired. The bullets were small but if shot into a major artery would still sever it. Maybe, a small gun was used which is why nobody heard a shot fired.
 
  • #199
I know very little about Zhao and I do not know whether he owns a gun. Why are you asking? We can say for sure that Zhao did not kill DeWolf, because
he died earlier. Police beliefs that Zhao's death was an accident. I find that hard to believe.

According to the police, he took a break from work and went for a walk. From the place he works there is one obvious route for taking a walk, and indeed along this route is where his body was found. But in order for him
to fall to his death, he would have to lean far over the railing. But why
would he do that? There is nothing interesting to see from that point,
only some space between the building and the parking garage. This could possibly be a suicide, and perhaps "accident" is a euphemism. But if this was not an accident, nor a suicide, it must have been murder.

Zhao worked in the anatomy department, in the plastination lab. Basically,
what they do is process body parts of the deceased so that they can be used in medical education. I saw an exhibition of this once, at the Detroit Science Center. Interesting but a bit morbid.

Another coincidental fact, which is probably not of any importance is the following. The medical examiner's office is on 300 Ingalls street,
accross the road from 220 Ingalls street, where DeWolf was found dead.
In fact, the fraternity used to be at 300 Ingalls Street. Then they moved the whole fraternity building across the road on tracks to 220 Ingalls street.

Would Zhao's role in the anatomy department allow him to know if any part of a human body was being illegally harvested or kept or sold (I'm just brainstorming) or anything he'd notice that's off (but not involved in) where he may have questioned it? In other words, would there be a possibility for someone to make money illegally via having access to the dead bodies? Stem cells, something like that?
 
  • #200
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_long_can_you_live_with_a_severed_artery

It says here that the carotid artery in the neck is the second biggest threat of arterial bleeds after the aorta. Is it possible that, if he was shot with a low caliber weapon that caused only a small entrance wound yet hit the artery without exiting the body, is enough to cause internal bleeding that led to death. Possibly without leaving any external evidence.

Someone I knew had a little gun that made only a quick popping sound when fired. The bullets were small but if shot into a major artey would still sever it. Maybe, a small gun was used which is why nobody heard a shot fired.

Good points....

It sounds like he could have been shot by someone who had knowledge of the main arteries of the body...

and knew how to use a fairly small powered gun to direct a shot directly to the vulnerable area...

JMO
 

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