GUILTY MI - Renisha McBride, 19, shot while trying to get help, Detroit, Nov 2013

[Karmady]

Oh, I hadn't seen that. It must have been buckshot instead of birdshot. I can't imagine how there would be no exit wound...

Neither could I. I was looking into it when I thought he had fired accidentally from a distance through a door. The autopsy report definitely shows there's no exit wound. But then I read that's not uncommon for a shot from a .22. I'm guessing there are a number of variables, though. And I'm thinking the only way they're going to be able to prove distance of the shot is from the wound, under the circumstances.

 

[Tugela]

I haven't ever done that, but there was a 3"x2" entry wound iirc and no exit wound. Is that consistent with your experience. I've been trying to figure out how the wound size with no exit wound plays into this. But I have no knowledge about guns...so there's that :/

A shot gun shoots a load of pellets. They wouldn't have enough momentum to create an exit wound. It is more like getting hit by a blast of shrapnel rather than a single bullet.

 

[Tawny]

A .22 is a rifle or pistol round, not shotgun. It's a very tiny bullet, not much bigger than a pellet gun bullet.

 

[Tawny]

A shot gun shoots a load of pellets. They wouldn't have enough momentum to create an exit wound. It is more like getting hit by a blast of shrapnel rather than a single bullet.

Birdshot, yes, this is true. Buckshot and slug are different though, it's more like a rifle round only much larger.

 

[Tugela]

I would hope the pings on her cell phone will help illuminate where she was that day, evening and in the middle of the night. I think the jury will take into context all of the goings on over a 24 hour period for both Wafer and McBride. McBride was 184 lbs, but even at that I doubt she could function much with a higher BA without alcohol poisoning. My speculation is the BA was shot up after the accident and in the 3 hour time period.

What either of them were doing the previous day is irrelevant to the case. They didn't know each other. The only relevant things would be their physical and mental state at the time of the incident.

 

[Karmady]

A .22 is a rifle or pistol round, not shotgun. It's a very tiny bullet, not much bigger than a pellet gun bullet.

I'm not even joking and this sounds terrible, but I think I'm confusing her BAC in the reported articles with the caliber. When I google .22 all I get is BAC.:facepalm:

 

[Tugela]

Birdshot, yes, this is true. Buckshot and slug are different though, it's more like a rifle round only much larger.

It is clear from the wound description that it is shot though.

 

[Tugela]

They could probably calculate how far she was from the shotgun based on the size of the impact zone.

 

[Zuri]

Tawny, I have never held a gun let alone shot one. I am so clueless, I didn't know the difference between a rifle and a shotgun. I had to google.

I had no idea that shotguns were used for self protection and the shot from the shotgun creates so much internal damage and by standees are usually not Hurt. Goodness.

 

[Zuri]

Banging on the door or otherwise trying to open it would constitute an attempt to gain entry from a legal perspective. There doesn't have to be damage. The prosecution will have the obligation to prove that didn't happen to make their case, and I doubt they have the evidence for that argument. She must have been creating enough ruckus or a disturbance to wake him up, so that part of the requirement is satisfied.

:goodpost:

 

[Karmady]

They could probably calculate how far she was from the shotgun based on the size of the impact zone.

That's what I've been thinking and asking. Since we're never going to hear her side, and no one will believe his, I think the wound is super important. But I haven't heard anything from the knowledgeables about what a wound that size would mean.

 

[Tawny]

The wound size will tell a lot depending on what kind of round (bullet) it was and the gauge of the shotgun itself (12, 20). Until we know that, it's hard to tell what might have happened.

 

[Elainera]

I would hope the pings on her cell phone will help illuminate where she was that day, evening and in the middle of the night. I think the jury will take into context all of the goings on over a 24 hour period for both Wafer and McBride. McBride was 184 lbs, but even at that I doubt she could function much with a higher BA without alcohol poisoning. My speculation is the BA was shot up after the accident and in the 3 hour time period.

What do you mean by "was shot up"? You mean by someone else? Like she was forced to consume more alcohol?

 

[liljim]

i dont think the "was" is supposed to be there.

 

[CHERIE.T]

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/11/the-case-of-renisha-mcbride/281591/

Good opinion piece. Hope this is allowed, if not mods please delete.

 

[Tawny]

The opinion piece says "It is sickening to see a polite society submit to gun law." but, IMO, society hasn't been a polite society for decades

 

[Sherp]

What do you mean by "was shot up"? You mean by someone else? Like she was forced to consume more alcohol?

Sorry no. I mean that I think she was drinking more after the car crash and that is why her Blood Alcohol level was so high at .22. This is just speculation on my part.

 

[Ina Cognito]

Banging on the door or otherwise trying to open it would constitute an attempt to gain entry from a legal perspective. There doesn't have to be damage. The prosecution will have the obligation to prove that didn't happen to make their case, and I doubt they have the evidence for that argument. She must have been creating enough ruckus or a disturbance to wake him up, so that part of the requirement is satisfied.

I'm going to disagree and say the same evidence that would be needed to prove a breaking and entering would be needed to prove she was attempting that in this case. Someone banging on your door or trying to open your storm door to knock on the interior one should not be construed as an attempted breaking and entering.

 

[Ina Cognito]

Sorry no. I mean that I think she was drinking more after the car crash and that is why her Blood Alcohol level was so high at .22. This is just speculation on my part.

I've also wondered if she was drinking afterward.

 

[AnaTeresa]

I'm going to disagree and say the same evidence that would be needed to prove a breaking and entering would be needed to prove she was attempting that in this case. Someone banging on your door or trying to open your storm door to knock on the interior one should not be construed as an attempted breaking and entering.

I agree. I don't think that can legally be labeled as breaking and entering.