MI MI - Tamara Greene, 27, Detroit, 30 April 2003

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Alycia - the girl that was busted w/ Stabenow's husband is missing. Hasn't been heard of in roughly two weeks according to local media....things that make you go hmmmmmmmmmmmm
 
  • #322
Alycia - the girl that was busted w/ Stabenow's husband is missing. Hasn't been heard of in roughly two weeks according to local media....things that make you go hmmmmmmmmmmmm

Oh my! :eek:
 
  • #323
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080404/NEWS01/804040368

The wife of the judge selected to conduct the preliminary hearing of Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick and Christine Beatty has political ties to a member of the mayor's cabinet and his former press secretary.

Joyce Hayes-Giles is vice president of the Detroit school board. She said Thursday that Eddie McDonald, Kilpatrick's deputy chief of staff and former campaign manager, and Jamaine Dickens, Kilpatrick's former press secretary, worked on her 2007 campaign for the school board seat.

But she added that the connection is not relevant to her husband's assignment.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 
  • #324
They had an interview this morning w/ one of Alycia's friends...who was for obvious reasons very concerned about her, said this is not like her, and friends are concerned how and if she's handling all of this etc. They did show what looked like Maybe her booking photo - she looks like "the girl next door.

hopefully she just "went into hiding" to avoid the media that Ashley Dupre received. I really don't want to think about the alternatives.....Especially seeing that the "bust" happened in Feb and it just now "gets out" and that's when she "goes missing" I wonder if she was tipped off or removed "from the area" from someone and/or someone's staff knowing that this was going to be coming into the media spotlight?

ETA- They are finally having this appear on the media websites - here's a snip from clickondetroit.com

Local 4 went to Alycia Martin's sister's home, the address she gave to police when she was arrested in a prostitution sting at the Residence Inn on Livernois to find out more about her.Her sister told Local 4 she hasn't heard from Martin in weeks and she's fed up with the entire situation.
Martin's friends told Local 4 that they knew she was a dancer at a Detroit strip club called the Coliseum, but they did not think she was a prostitute."I am still shocked. I didn’t think that she would do that," said Robin Johnson, Martin's acquaintance.Martin told police she only started prostituting a few weeks ago, according to the report."I feel really bad for her. She's better than that," said Johnson.Neighbors said Martin occasionally stayed with father in Wayne, but he went to school in Vermont, but never graduated. Her mother lives in New England. Martin is expected in court at the end of the month.



End of snipping -


The Coliseum is a VERY HIGH priced club on 8 mile that opened oh, within the last couple of years. Very Nice, EVERYONE is beautiful (Waitresses, bouncers, dancers, bartenders etc, (some of the clubs will take anyone willing to dance is why I inserted that comment) They serve the better quality liquors, valet parking, hell they even have a helicopter pad that you can land your heli on lol, and all that jazz. I'm starting to wonder if there isn't more to this story than what's being released. She could easily pull $150 in a matter of like 3 dances or less while working INSIDE the bar.....Catch my drift?
 
  • #325
Jada, I haven't been able to find out much on Alycia. Can you post some links?
 
  • #326
Blast, I think I'm tangling all these side stories.

OK is Alycia the woman who was caught in the hotel OR is she the friend of Tamara's who went to the "alleged" party at the mansion?
 
  • #327
Alycia - the girl that was busted w/ Stabenow's husband is missing. Hasn't been heard of in roughly two weeks according to local media....things that make you go hmmmmmmmmmmmm

Scary.
 
  • #328
Blast, I think I'm tangling all these side stories.

OK is Alycia the woman who was caught in the hotel OR is she the friend of Tamara's who went to the "alleged" party at the mansion?


Alycia is the one that was in the hotel in Troy w/ Stabenow's husband. (Rep here in Michigan, her husband is the one that co founded the talk show) - Not related to Kwame or anything, just a thing that came up about another Politician connected thing in Michigan. Still it's taking an interesting twist, hence why I mentioned it - Should I begin another thread?
 
  • #329
Should I begin another thread?

Oh no ... we're good.

What do you know about the friend of Tamara's who was at the party? I thought I heard a rumor that she was dead in Atlanta ... but discounted it because there was no source.
 
  • #330
Oh no ... we're good.

What do you know about the friend of Tamara's who was at the party? I thought I heard a rumor that she was dead in Atlanta ... but discounted it because there was no source.


There were 3 dancers that night at the mansion, Tamara is Dead, the one that fled to Atlanta after Tamara's death, is now dead, gunned down by a driveby similiar to Tamara, in a very fancy, affluent area, by those in Georgia that know the area - (IE - unlikely has hell to have a drive by there). The third, is unaccounted for, and that's with the courts, PD, and media looking for her. Unaccounted for, or UNABLE to be accounted for is my question. Unfortunately, I am leaning towards, she too will be unable to testify as to what really went down that night...only IMO of course:rolleyes:
 
  • #331
There were 3 dancers that night at the mansion, Tamara is Dead, the one that fled to Atlanta after Tamara's death, is now dead, gunned down by a driveby similiar to Tamara, in a very fancy, affluent area, by those in Georgian that know the area. The third, is unaccounted for, and that's with the courts, PD, and media looking for her. Unaccounted for, or UNABLE to be accounted for is my question. Unfortunately, I am leaning towards, she too will be unable to testify as to what really went down that night...only IMO of course:rolleyes:

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
Well, since I don't believe that they're really investigating Tamara's death at this point, I can't imagine that anyone's bothered to establish a connection between the two known deaths.

Is the third actually UNKNOWN or known by the courts and accounted for ... i.e., missing?
 
  • #332
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Well, since I don't believe that they're really investigating Tamara's death at this point, I can't imagine that anyone's bothered to establish a connection between the two known deaths.

Is the third actually UNKNOWN or known by the courts and accounted for ... i.e., missing?

Not sure how her name was discovered, but she's listed in court documents as a witness, but when Media, and the courts went looking for her, both were unable to discover an address, workplace, acquaintances etc. or at least that's what the local news and "gossip" has been reported as stating. Whether it's what they "want someone to thinK" or is actually "true" is something I have no clue about. But it's being reported as above...
 
  • #333
Not sure how her name was discovered, but she's listed in court documents as a witness, but when Media, and the courts went looking for her, both were unable to discover an address, workplace, acquaintances etc. or at least that's what the local news and "gossip" has been reported as stating. Whether it's what they "want someone to thinK" or is actually "true" is something I have no clue about. But it's being reported as above...

Well, I'm all for doing one's civic duty and coming forward ... BUT in this particular case I'd be in hiding as well. Hopefully, she's actually being protected by an agency OUTSIDE of Michigan.

In this case, Witness Protection would only work if the Protection is protecting her against those who normally protect her! :bang:
 
  • #334
Well, I'm all for doing one's civic duty and coming forward ... BUT in this particular case I'd be in hiding as well. Hopefully, she's actually being protected by an agency OUTSIDE of Michigan.

In this case, Witness Protection would only work if the Protection is protecting her against those who normally protect her! :bang:


Which takes this whole roller coaster on another tangent - Is that possible? Is there anywhere any of these people would be safe? It's not like Kwame and his goons reach just across Detroit...again, I know you and Suzi can read between the lines here LOL.

From the MetroTimes (Snips and quotes - along w/ some of my comments lol) (weekly free "newspaper") (long article, but I felt these were worth pointing out)

Kilpatrick came into office riding campaign promises to clean up a troubled Police Department being investigated by the U.S. Justice Department. Now, claim some, attempts at reform have been dealt a severe blow.



"This has definitely had a chilling effect," says Officer Reggie Crawford, a 27-year veteran.
The Kilpatrick administration, says Crawford, "has an agenda to discourage officers from reporting improprieties" on the part of the mayor and those close to him.



And here's a breakdown of some of the "players" and the aftermath they're dealing with....


April 2003 - allegations that some members of the mayor's Executive Protection Unit were fraudulently padding time sheets, drinking while on duty and covering up accidents involving department vehicles. Nelthrope also reported rumors of a party involving strippers at the mayoral residence, the city-owned Manoogian Mansion.

Investigations by the attorney general and State Police found no evidence the party had occurred.


However, prior to the launch of those investigations, the administration released a confidential report identifying Nelthrope as the source of the allegations. And Brown, a 26-year veteran, was removed as the head of internal affairs. Two other high-ranking members of the unit were transferred out.



"Nelthrope had not seen the memo before and was horrified to see his name in it," according to the mediation summary. "Nelthrope knew how volatile and dangerous Jones and Martin were. He knew that both men had extensive disciplinary records.



He knew that Martin had been involved in several off-duty shootings and had been convicted criminally for one of them.



Nelthrope knew that Martin had friends who were narcotics dealers and that both Martin and Jones knew many street people who would be only too happy to ingratiate themselves with Martin or Jones by seeing to it that Nelthrope or a member of his family paid a price for disrupting Martin and Jones' prestigious, cushy, high-paying jobs with the EPU."

"There has been a clear pattern of retaliation against people doing something this administration doesn't want done," Brown says.
To counteract the chilling effect this has had on others who have information regarding the Kilpatrick administration but are afraid to come forward, Brown says the federal government has to become involved.
"There needs to be a federal grand jury," he says. "That's where this case will unravel."


End of quotes etc - Bolding is Mine....

I'm wondering if the clerk that came forward is in some type of protective custody, after coming forth about her threats, and the threats against the other person, neither have been on the news anymore since then. And at least from what I've watched and monitored, their names aren't in print in any newer articles either...:waitasec:
 
  • #335
However, prior to the launch of those investigations, the administration released a confidential report identifying Nelthrope as the source of the allegations. And Brown, a 26-year veteran, was removed as the head of internal affairs. Two other high-ranking members of the unit were transferred out.

Talk about throwing someone to the wolves. Nelthrope is lucky to be alive.

There is probably not any connection to Alicia. But do we know if there is any connection between her and Kwame? I wonder if she is hiding, or if she simply had too much info, KWIM?

ETA: You can start any thread you want. : )
 
  • #336
Talk about throwing someone to the wolves. Nelthrope is lucky to be alive.

There is probably not any connection to Alicia. But do we know if there is any connection between her and Kwame? I wonder if she is hiding, or if she simply had too much info, KWIM?

ETA: You can start any thread you want. : )


I too do not believe she has ties to Kwame, although, I wouldn't be suprised if some of his staff haven't been to the coliseum. But that's the ONLY connection I would be willing "to bet on" at this point so to speak.


Now the 3rd dancer from the mansion? I'm afraid of what the possibilities are regarding her whereabouts :mad:
 
  • #337
http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/15788323/detail.html


According to minutes recently released from a Sept. 19 closed-door Detroit City Council meeting, city lawyer John Johnson Jr. told the council that not appealing the $6.5 million verdict against the city in the police whistle-blower trial could set a bad precedent.

He advised not to settle with the police officers who sued the city after they were fired.A month later, however, the city settled the case for more money than it lost in the verdict -- $8 million.
Documents released in February show how the mayor's turnaround happened.
In a five-hour deposition,

Mike Stefani, the fired officer's attorney, recounted how on the last day in October he showed up to settlement negotiations with the city with an envelope detailing the text messages between the mayor and Christine Beatty, and proof they perjured themselves on the stand.
 
  • #338
This may seem odd to some. But I consider dancing/stripping to be a legit business. And it is legal it most places. Personally I would never do it. But I have known alot of men and women who put themselves through law or medical school doing it.

You know what gets me? Is certain lifestyles leave a person so vulnerable to crime. And yet that same lifestyle is why crimes against them aren't investigated. They still deserve justice and often don't get it.

Ditto. I got blasted on the Spitzer thread so I don't go over there anymore. I wat trying to explain to them that I thought what the escort did was perfectly okay and should be legalized and she was not the one cheating on the wife he was.

JJ I just said the 'ho' thing as a joke, no disrepect to the ladies and gents. Hell at least they aren't chasing after people with baseball bats like 'the respectable mayors wife'. It's not what you do that makes you what you are, it's what you are that makes you what you are. (make sense?) You can be an escort and still be very nice and respectable or you can be a mayors wife and be, well a baseball wielding psycho biatch. :eek: Did I just say that? :p
 
  • #339
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You can be an escort and still be very nice and respectable or you can be a mayors wife and be, well a baseball wielding psycho biatch. :eek: Did I just say that? :p

:dance: :dance: :dance:
LOL, and I just cheered you for saying that!
 
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