MI MI - Tanner Lucas, Alexander William, & Andrew Ryan Skelton, Morenci, 26 Nov 2010 #3

[sunflowerchick]

I'm really sorry but that is just ********. He was lonely? Isolated? People need to stop making excuses for these wastes of human flesh. IT was his job to protect these children, it is unforgivable there is no excuse.

I don't think this is ******** at all. In fact, I think it is important that we understand the things that might lead someone down this road. It is this line of thinking that can help us understand and hopefully prevent this from happening in the future. I wouldn't call this "making excuses", but rather trying to solve and fix to prevent reoccurence somewhere else.

 

[sherryk]

http://www.freep.com/article/201011.../Skeltons-sister-says-he-was-deeply-depressed

I do not know if this will paste the link. I hope so.

So if looks as the sister has decided to stand by her brother, JS.
*****
She said her brother was fired from his job with an Ohio trucking company about two weeks ago. She said she believes he had been taking time off work to see his sons when their mother would allow it. She said he was previously fired from another trucking company more than a year earlier for drunken driving.


"You can only push a human so far," she said.

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ok fired from job for drinking.. and who's fault would that be.. HIS

trying to see the kids WHEN the mother would allow it.. hmmmm seems like mom was following court order by allowing them to go thanksgiving.. and look where that got her. Look where it got the boys.

"you can only push a person so far" That takes the cake..is she acutally going to imply that a stressful life is a free ticket to murder your own three kids..



I really cant stomach when the realtives come out to give his sad story. If they could only see how it makes THEM look.. so IMO the sister "Linda Ford" should hold her head in shame for placing the blame on everything she can except Mr. Skelton.

I normally dont care for Nancy Grace tatics on drilling family members however I would love for Ms. Linda Ford to be a quest.

Just cant get this off my mind... how in the world does a mother, sister, brother, and family or any person condone murder of three children.

 

[Noway]

do you have a link, once i leave a thread I can hardly find my way back LOL If i'm blindly searching I'm completely lost :banghead:

LOL
That's why I open everything in a new tab ... :crazy: and with Firefox, I have colors!

 

[SuziQ]

http://www.freep.com/article/201011.../Skeltons-sister-says-he-was-deeply-depressed

I do not know if this will paste the link. I hope so.

So if looks as the sister has decided to stand by her brother, JS.
*****
She said her brother was fired from his job with an Ohio trucking company about two weeks ago. She said she believes he had been taking time off work to see his sons when their mother would allow it. She said he was previously fired from another trucking company more than a year earlier for drunken driving.


"You can only push a human so far," she said.

******

ok fired from job for drinking.. and who's fault would that be.. HIS

trying to see the kids WHEN the mother would allow it.. hmmmm seems like mom was following court order by allowing them to go thanksgiving.. and look where that got her. Look where it got the boys.

"you can only push a person so far" That takes the cake..is she acutally going to imply that a stressful life is a free ticket to murder your own three kids..



I really cant stomach when the realtives come out to give his sad story. If they could only see how it makes THEM look.. so IMO the sister "Linda Ford" should hold her head in shame for placing the blame on everything she can except Mr. Skelton.

I normally dont care for Nancy Grace tatics on drilling family members however I would love for Ms. Linda Ford to be a quest.

Just cant get this off my mind... how in the world does a mother, sister, brother, and family or any person condone murder of three children.

Interesting family dynamics going on there. I guess drunk driving a humongous truck is ok too? I can see the resemblence between LF and JS....wow.

 

[Irish_Eyes]

I don't think this is ******** at all. In fact, I think it is important that we understand the things that might lead someone down this road. It is this line of thinking that can help us understand and hopefully prevent this from happening in the future. I wouldn't call this "making excuses", but rather trying to solve and fix to prevent reoccurence somewhere else.

The problem isn't that no one can figure out how this happens. Profiliers have this down cold....this is cookie cutter abuser/annhilator behavior. The problem is that if you are in a situation with a person like this, it is awful hard to get anyone to do anything about it until something awful happens. From the court filings, it's obvious that each parent was making very serious allegations against the other parent. And it wasn't he said/she said, both parents had the criminal records to back up the other's claims. Why then has the judge said she kind of tried to stay out of it and let them come to an agreement on their own? The cases with the most serious allegations are (go figure) usually the cases where the children are most at risk. No judge likes to be overturned, and they all need to be re-elected at some point, so they try to follow the path of least resistance and force these cases to settle. Not only is this not good for the kids, as it fails to identify risks to their safety and well-being, it's also an injustice to the unhealthy parent. Maybe if they had been able to do a family eval, they might have uncovered some of these issues and been able to refer the dad to services where he could get help.

 

[Snarky247]

So, you can "only push a human too far?"

Okay, fine - but what did those boys do to "push" him "too far"?

MOO

 

[cluciano63]

I'm not sure cases like this tragedy can be prevented...no one knows or imagines that because of a number of stressors building up, that a parent could react by killing his children. Unless there are verbal warning signs, I don't know how anyone could anticipate such an act. Of course it would be ideal if any adult who cares for children asked for help the moment he or she felt capable of harming a child. But parents kill their own children every day-literally. And then we hear about the problems the killer was having...
Sadly, we never hear about most of the children who are killed by their parents, just certain cases that they media latches on to...

 

[marycarney]

most hospital policy is to be brought out in a wheelchair. I was after being in for 2 days with stomach pains.

I have also fractured my foot and wrist previous and put an ace bandage on it to heal it.
I have also had fractures where I did go to the hospital but typically an adult especially a man tends to try and deal with it a day or two and see how it goes. Men tend to be the last one to amdit they need medical help for a cold, an injury and footpain
I find it odd to be taken to hosp after a hurt foot.
To be honest if I wanted to get an injury in order to go to hospital to make it look as injured.. well I suppose I could lift my sofa and put foot under it to cause fracture, or take a hammer to it, or jump from a tree in my front yard, let the tv fall on it.. in other words if he has a fracture.. it was self inflicted and not from a sucide attempt.

I hope the xrays of the foot can tell what angle it was at and how it could of happened.

When I was a teen I hurt my arm and told my mom that I fell out of shower... she took me to ER and they said oh no way.. this is from a "twisted arm"... and in fact it WAS FROM A TWISTED ARM.. a boyfriend had grabbed me and i was trying to cover for him. What I am saying is even the foot fracture could tell alot on his so called suicide if from a fall, a crushing blow etc. Not all fractures are the same and dr's can tell so much more than we think they can.. .that's why they are expert witnesses... so mr skelton you may not of hung yourself.. but perhaps you are soon to hang yourself with your lies. !

you can outsmart some of the people some of the time but not all of the people all of the time.. LE is well aware and on to this monster does he really think he can get out of this...

Those little boys faces wake me in the middle of the night.. i cant get this off my mind... a child, a child of your own... how could he??? Please God when the details come out please do not have let the little boys suffered.

Are you kidding me??? Men (and women) come to the ER for the STUPIDEST little things - like "I got a staple in my thumb" and "I threw up". I know it's a little OT, but the ERs I have worked in are PACKED with crap like this - all day/every day.

 

[Irish_Eyes]

I'm not sure cases like this tragedy can be prevented...no one knows or imagines that because of a number of stressors building up, that a parent could react by killing his children. Unless there are verbal warning signs, I don't know how anyone could anticipate such an act. Of course it would be ideal if any adult who cares for children asked for help the moment he or she felt capable of harming a child. But parents kill their own children every day-literally. And then we hear about the problems the killer was having...
Sadly, we never hear about most of the children who are killed by their parents, just certain cases that they media latches on to...

I think you're right to a point: maybe no one could have predicted a killer. But skilled mental health evaluators can identify depression, substance abuse, and other troubling family dynamics, and refer the family to services to help them through their challenges.

 

[cluciano63]

I think you're right to a point: maybe no one could have predicted a killer. But skilled mental health evaluators can identify depression, substance abuse, and other troubling family dynamics, and refer the family to services to help them through their challenges.

I agree, but who is to get them to a mental health professional? If they don't go on their own, there is not much anyone can do. If a neighbor suspects that there is abuse or neglect they could call Child Services, but if there aren't any outward signs of either, even they can't do much...

 

[Irish_Eyes]

I agree, but who is to get them to a mental health professional? If they don't go on their own, there is not much anyone can do. If a neighbor suspects that there is abuse or neglect they could call Child Services, but if there aren't any outward signs of either, even they can't do much...

Sorry, I left that part out. I had said in an earlier post that I think the judges/courts, when two parents are filing allegations as serious as the ones that were made in this case, and their criminal convictions proving that it's not just all he said/she said, I think the court should have referred the family, so that these issues could be looked at, and services put in place if necessary.

 

[crocus]

Praying for these young boys and for answers.

AmandaReckonwith/crankycrankerson PB case archive album
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Andrew -Alexander -Tanner Skelton -MI-/

 

[not_my_kids]

The question is the same now as it was before he admitted to killing them: Where are they?

If he were the mothering type of father, a fulltime single father or their mother, I would say they are in a body of water, because IIRC, that is a common theme with women that kill their kids. But JS is none of the above.

I think their bodies are dumped somewhere remote and either covered or buried. IIRC, from the same study that said women gravitate towards water, men gravitate to burying.

And I don't care how crazy he pretended to be, nothing is going to work against him as badly as the fact that he was sane and organized enough to lie about it when he was first questioned and he was careful enough to conceal the bodies.

 

[Lera213]

Trucker hrm wonder if he is our serial truck driving killer...after all he clearly shows signs of staging.

 

[froginTtown]

I'm in Lucas County, Toledo Ohio... The father was brought here and placed into a mental facility, he was then arrested and charged with 3 counts of custody interference/kidnapping and wheeled into Lucas County Jail... He goes before the judge this morning....

I would like to suggest some local links that have alot of excellent coverage.... They have 2 reporters at the search areas also...

13abc twitter..:http://twitter.com/13abc
13abc news ..:http://abclocal.go.com/wtvg/index
Our local newspaper ..:http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?Category=NEWS16

 

[sherryk]

Are you kidding me??? Men (and women) come to the ER for the STUPIDEST little things - like "I got a staple in my thumb" and "I threw up". I know it's a little OT, but the ERs I have worked in are PACKED with crap like this - all day/every day.

I was getting at is that after trying to kill yourself you would want not to go to hospital.. but he did so to make a point that he DID try to kill himself.

I know that ER's are filled with all kind of non emergency and just odd things that do not need attention.

If he had not harmed his kids and had a broken foot. I suspect he would of toughed it out for a day or so first.

As I said I also hope the xray and type of fracture shows a little more than he thinks it would show. Crushing blow to look like a fall or somthing else to indicate perhaps that does not fit the typical fracture of a fall from a chair/rope.

 

[secretagent]

I don't think this is ******** at all. In fact, I think it is important that we understand the things that might lead someone down this road. It is this line of thinking that can help us understand and hopefully prevent this from happening in the future. I wouldn't call this "making excuses", but rather trying to solve and fix to prevent reoccurence somewhere else.

So they can be "cured"? If someone has the capacity to take another's life for any purpose other than self defense, there is no fixing that. These people are missing that thing that makes them human.

And the only solution we had is to warehouse them until they die or convince a parole board that they are cured. I don't want these folks walking next to me on the street. I don't want someone who has broken the spirit of children and extinguished their lives out in society and you shouldn't either. An adult can make changes to his life to adjust to current situations, a child can't. He murdered those beautiful children because things simply weren't going his way.

I don't mean to snipe at you individually, but it's this line of thinking that allows these crimes to continue. Someone will always want to understand them, but what he has done is so remote and evil there can be no understanding for if we can understand, we can say oh it's because he was alone, he was abused as a child or a hundred other excuses. He made this choice and now the very direct and simple resolution is to remove him from our society. Forever.

He cannot be fixed, and considering he was already a non contributing (not paying child support, causing legal issues emotionally disturbing his children)member of society proper to hurting these boys, there is no reason to have him out and about around normal society. The last act simply becomes the tipping point, the ticket out.

 

[tfrohning]

Skelton boys' father's postings on Facebook tell of love for his family
http://www.toledoblade.com/article/20101201/NEWS16/11300393

 

[secretagent]

http://www.freep.com/article/201011.../Skeltons-sister-says-he-was-deeply-depressed

I do not know if this will paste the link. I hope so.

So if looks as the sister has decided to stand by her brother, JS.
*****
She said her brother was fired from his job with an Ohio trucking company about two weeks ago. She said she believes he had been taking time off work to see his sons when their mother would allow it. She said he was previously fired from another trucking company more than a year earlier for drunken driving.


"You can only push a human so far," she said.

******

ok fired from job for drinking.. and who's fault would that be.. HIS

trying to see the kids WHEN the mother would allow it.. hmmmm seems like mom was following court order by allowing them to go thanksgiving.. and look where that got her. Look where it got the boys.

"you can only push a person so far" That takes the cake..is she acutally going to imply that a stressful life is a free ticket to murder your own three kids..



I really cant stomach when the realtives come out to give his sad story. If they could only see how it makes THEM look.. so IMO the sister "Linda Ford" should hold her head in shame for placing the blame on everything she can except Mr. Skelton.

I normally dont care for Nancy Grace tatics on drilling family members however I would love for Ms. Linda Ford to be a quest.

Just cant get this off my mind... how in the world does a mother, sister, brother, and family or any person condone murder of three children.

I agree with you 100% if this is an acceptable reason, I am afraid for the families and children of the 2million people about to lose their unemployment funding.

 

[Java]

“Skelton boys' father's postings on Facebook tell of love for his family”
http://www.toledoblade.com/article/20101201/NEWS16/11300393
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Sorry but there is not one shred of sympathy from me for this man’s problems.
Nothing is so bad that it would be cause to kill your children. Or even harm them in anyway,
Or use them as pawns in a struggling relationship.

Nor will he come out and tell where to find the boy’s. And he KNOWS where they are.
Even if they were given to another person, which is doubtful. He shows no concern for their well being at all. After he tells where the boy’s are, or they are found. He should be given a second chance at suicide, and someone should give him a fool proof sheet of directions!!