MI MI - Tanner Lucas, Alexander William, & Andrew Ryan Skelton, Morenci, 26 Nov 2010 #3

[Java]

If poverty or financial problems were an excuse to kill your kids, the human race would of been over after the Great Depression!

That's when families should pull together, not apart. No excuses for these scum bags.

Also -
Please tell me WHO in their right mind, and that goes for the wife too, would play out a divorce on FaceBook? That’s plain screwy. Grow up! And these people were in charge of raising children? That’s plain scary!!!

 

[Java]

So they can be "cured"? If someone has the capacity to take another's life for any purpose other than self defense, there is no fixing that. These people are missing that thing that makes them human.

And the only solution we had is to warehouse them until they die or convince a parole board that they are cured. I don't want these folks walking next to me on the street. I don't want someone who has broken the spirit of children and extinguished their lives out in society and you shouldn't either. An adult can make changes to his life to adjust to current situations, a child can't. He murdered those beautiful children because things simply weren't going his way.

I don't mean to snipe at you individually, but it's this line of thinking that allows these crimes to continue. Someone will always want to understand them, but what he has done is so remote and evil there can be no understanding for if we can understand, we can say oh it's because he was alone, he was abused as a child or a hundred other excuses. He made this choice and now the very direct and simple resolution is to remove him from our society. Forever.

He cannot be fixed, and considering he was already a non contributing (not paying child support, causing legal issues emotionally disturbing his children)member of society proper to hurting these boys, there is no reason to have him out and about around normal society. The last act simply becomes the tipping point, the ticket out.

WOW! you took the words right out of my mouth!

And that "ticket" should be one way, and express!

 

[citigirl]

If poverty or financial problems were an excuse to kill your kids, the human race would of been over after the Great Depression!

That's when families should pull together, not apart. No excuses for these scum bags.

Also -
Please tell me WHO in their right mind, and that goes for the wife too, would play out a divorce on FaceBook? That’s plain screwy. Grow up! And these people were in charge of raising children? That’s plain scary!!!

You are so right. But in so many of these missing children cases, when the parent has done the crime, it turns out that both parents were less than fit to raise kids (in my opinion). We can all rattle off cases that fit this scenario. So many of us live apart from our families of origin, there is nobody to pick up the slack when parents drop the ball. And there is nobody to witness the way parents take care of their children.

 

[Cubby]

Skelton boys' father's postings on Facebook tell of love for his family
http://www.toledoblade.com/article/20101201/NEWS16/11300393

Imo, JS's sister is in for a rude awakening.

JMO

 

[Java]

Just because you are biologically ABLE to produce children, sure doesn’t mean you SHOULD!

Unfortunately we see examples of that daily. Kids are used and abused on a regular basis by the narcissistic, self centered, , that get called “Parents”.
Normal, well balanced people in society, expect they will do the right thing by their joyous little bundles, and so, so many don’t. It’s disgusting.
Screwing with kid’s should be auto DP. No matter what state you are in. There is no fixing ,defending or understanding, a person that would harm a child. Their minds are FAR left of center. And they should be taken out. This stuff makes me so angry, there just is no words for it. JMO
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JS, sister & Mother TOO! ( this is in response to post #244)

 

[trigger]

Please find these precious boys today raying: I want this monster dad to get the DP. NO DEALS, NOTHING.

 

[Strawberry Fields]

It was really hard to sleep last night thinking about these boys. Something came to my mind and could not shake it. Could this father have placed these children into a dumpster somewhere along the road. You know in some communities (especially rural ones) there are clusters of dumpsters where the people have to bring their trash to the dumpster. There was an actual case around my home here where a man first claimed some thugs broke into his home and beat him up and kidnapped his little boy. Then he kept changing his story when police could tell that he was not really attacked. Then he kept telling LE where they could find the little boy. They were searching the property across the road from my home. I spoke to one of the police officers. He said that most of the searches they had done were due to the father "making up stories" about where they may find the little boy's body. I said to him, "I keep wondering if anyone has searched the dumpsters down at the grocery store". I doubt seriously if it was because of my mentioning this, but in a day or so the search focus actually turned to the landfill. Those searchers literally went over the landfil with a fine toothed comb and sadly, this baby boy's body was eventually found there. This piece of *x*x*x* actually dumped his own child into a dumpster and threw him away like garbage. Interestingly, he had another child at his home that day that he did not harm. His wife was supposedly out shopping, but I think she is now serving time too because she actually went along with his story.

I keep having this thought that this father (JS) could have broken his ankle after he jumped down from atop a dumpster as that is a pretty big drop or could have even fallen when he was jumping down. If he has gone so far already as to admit to LE he has killed his children, then what else does he have to lose by telling where they can find them at this point. I am praying that he really is trying to inflict more heartache on the mother and that the children may really be safe and sound somewhere. In my heart I know this is probably not the case but it is too unbearable to believe he has taken the life of these beautiful little boys.

 

[citigirl]

It was really hard to sleep last night thinking about these boys. Something came to my mind and could not shake it. Could this father have placed these children into a dumpster somewhere along the road. You know in some communities (especially rural ones) there are clusters of dumpsters where the people have to bring their trash to the dumpster. There was an actual case around my home here where a man first claimed some thugs broke into his home and beat him up and kidnapped his little boy. Then he kept changing his story when police could tell that he was not really attacked. Then he kept telling LE where they could find the little boy. They were searching the property across the road from my home. I spoke to one of the police officers. He said that most of the searches they had done were due to the father "making up stories" about where they may find the little boy's body. I said to him, "I keep wondering if anyone has searched the dumpsters down at the grocery store". I doubt seriously if it was because of my mentioning this, but in a day or so the search focus actually turned to the landfill. Those searchers literally went over the landfil with a fine toothed comb and sadly, this baby boy's body was eventually found there. This piece of *x*x*x* actually dumped his own child into a dumpster and threw him away like garbage. Interestingly, he had another child at his home that day that he did not harm. His wife was supposedly out shopping, but I think she is now serving time too because she actually went along with his story.

I keep having this thought that this father (JS) could have broken his ankle after he jumped down from atop a dumpster as that is a pretty big drop or could have even fallen when he was jumping down. If he has gone so far already as to admit to LE he has killed his children, then what else does he have to lose by telling where they can find them at this point. I am praying that he really is trying to inflict more heartache on the mother and that the children may really be safe and sound somewhere. In my heart I know this is probably not the case but it is too unbearable to believe he has taken the life of these beautiful little boys.

One of the articles I read interviewed a searcher who had been "dumpster diving."

 

[Java]

OT: Here’s another one!

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/br...ridge-police-say/story-e6frf7jx-1225963629742
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Just get rid of these people, I could careless what their psychological problems are.
In my mind there are no excuses to harm a child. NONE.

 

[secretagent]

You are so right. But in so many of these missing children cases, when the parent has done the crime, it turns out that both parents were less than fit to raise kids (in my opinion). We can all rattle off cases that fit this scenario. So many of us live apart from our families of origin, there is nobody to pick up the slack when parents drop the ball. And there is nobody to witness the way parents take care of their children.

I have a situation in my life that is by no means as dire as some of these families, however I will share it. I Got Divorce 3 years ago. After 2 years of fighting it and spending every spare dime I had I to fight my ex for what i had brought to the marriage, I lost EVERYTHING. At the time i had a great job, over 200k/ yr. I got laid off 2 years ago and and live 1600 miles from my family. To add fuel to the flames i got pregnant (irresponsibility on my part) I lived on unemployment by myself with this baby for months, no child support, through nights where I did not think I could bear the isolation or loneliness. The complete lack of even a car to look for a job ruined my self respect and self worth.

I had nothing but the love of my remote family. And I will not lie there were nights where I though of dropping my then 4 month off with her father and jumping off a bridge. But in spite of all of that I chose to live for my daughter, because that is what my life is now. I cried everyday because i was afraid I wouldn't be able to care for her. I have never been so afraid in my life, and I had been in a very bad physically abusive relationship, yet not being able to care for my daughter scares me more than even that.

So someone explain to me how that works?? Biology? Chemistry? Why did I choose to fight for my daughter, yet these "people" take their childrens life.

Edited for typos

 

[Strawberry Fields]

OT: Here’s another one!

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/br...ridge-police-say/story-e6frf7jx-1225963629742
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Just get rid of these people, I could careless what their psychological problems are.
In my mind there are no excuses to harm a child. NONE.

This is such a horrible thing. Hit too close to home for me. My daughter lives about an hour's drive from that shopping center and we have shopped there many times. I also have a 2-year-old granddaughter. It is getting too hard to even watch the news or read these stories.

There needs to be immediate swift justice for these children. I do believe the DP may be (I reiterate may be) a deterent to help save some children from their own parents. How horrible is that statement "save them from their own parents". What is our world coming to. Dr. Phil once told a woman who was on his program because she could not stop yelling at her little girl, "do you realize that she thinks you get up before her in the morning and actually hang the sun in the sky". Children are supposed to have a safe place where they feel protected and secure. Okay getting off my soapbox. Sorry for this rant. I will stay OT now.

 

[maggieo]

So they can be "cured"? If someone has the capacity to take another's life for any purpose other than self defense, there is no fixing that. These people are missing that thing that makes them human.

No, not for a cure, but for prevention. I agree that these people are missing something that makes them fully human (and are no longer and will never be fit for human society), but I also think it's possible that they *once* had that thing. Some people are no doubt born bad. But others... I'm not so sure.

I read a really fascinating and sad study that was done about children who abuse animals -- a classic sign of future psychopathy. Most of these children witnessed their own beloved pets being abused and neglected by their parents, which was extremely painful to witness and which, the authors speculated, caused the children to *turn off* their own empathetic feelings.

It even looked like these kids started to abuse animals in order to numb themselves to their own feelings.

My point is... understanding why people are cruel and evil is a LOT different from excusing them. To me, once they commit an act of evil, it's too damn late, sorry, throw away the key: society can never trust them again.

But if understanding can lead to prevention... it's of utmost importance.

As the mother of two sons just a little older than these guys, my heart has been breaking. Why, why, why couldn't he just try killing himself first, to make sure he could go through with it?

 

[Strawberry Fields]

I have a situation in my life that is by no means as dire as some of these families, however I will share it. I Got Divorce 3 years ago. After 2 years of fighting it and spending every spare dime I had I to fight my ex for what i had brought to the marriage, I lost EVERYTHING. At the time i had a great job, over 200k/ yr. I got laid off 2 years ago and and live 1600 miles from my family. To add fuel to the flames i got pregnant (irresponsibility on my part) I lived on unemployment by myself with this baby for months, no child support, through nights where I did not think I could bear the isolation or loneliness. The complete lack of even a car to look for a job ruined my self respect and self worth.

I had nothing but the love of my remote family. And I will not lie there were nights where I though of dropping my then 4 month off with her father and jumping off a bridge. But in spite of all of that I chose to live for my daughter, because that is what my life is now. I cried everyday because i was afraid I wouldn't be able to care for her. I have never been so afraid in my life, and I had been in a very bad physically abusive relationship, yet not being able to care for my daughter scares me more than even that.

So someone explain to me how that works?? Biology? Chemistry? Why did I choose to fight for my daughter, yet these "people" take their childrens life.

Edited for typos

I have to say that you, my dear, are a very, very special person.

 

[Java]

Wow, incredibly sad story Secretagent -

But the biggest CONGRATS on making it. You are obviously a “normal’ human being.
And your daughter likely has the utmost respect for you in not failing her.
And I am darn proud of you for not failing yourself!!

 

[not_my_kids]

Sources told FOX 2's Taryn Asher when police searched Skelton's home they found the boys' winter coats and cut cargo straps and possible nooses.

Skelton allegedly admitted to killing his sons. He told police that they were at a schoolhouse in Kunkle, Ohio, but when police searched the building they found nothing. He also allegedly told the police he put the boys in a restaurant dumpster. The police have searched in the area but nothing has been found.

http://www.examiner.com/missing-per...r-admist-to-killing-missing-michigan-brothers

 

[not_my_kids]

Investigators tracked the empty dumpsters to the Williams Landfill in Bryan, Ohio, which again they searched with the help of a police canine, but no bodies.

We are told Skelton has led authorities on a wild goose chase with tips that led them to a family cabin in Cobb Lake, abandoned houses, parks, campgrounds and overpasses throughout Northwest Ohio.
http://www.myfoxhouston.com/dpps/ne...n-skelton-into-custody-20101130-wpms_10865203

 

[KAE]

Investigators tracked the empty dumpsters to the Williams Landfill in Bryan, Ohio, which again they searched with the help of a police canine, but no bodies.

We are told Skelton has led authorities on a wild goose chase with tips that led them to a family cabin in Cobb Lake, abandoned houses, parks, campgrounds and overpasses throughout Northwest Ohio.
http://www.myfoxhouston.com/dpps/ne...n-skelton-into-custody-20101130-wpms_10865203

Worthless
:furious: :furious: :furious: :furious: :furious: :furious: :furious: :furious:

 

[dr dona]

Secretagent- u have what it takes to make it!!! I am proud to meet ya!!!!You loved your child and put her needs before all others, even your own. I would do the same for my children. This so called dad didn't do this. He engaged in self pity and took his children's lives and then was too chicken to take his own life. WHAT A LOSER!!!!!!!
Dr Dona

 

[Cubby]

Investigators tracked the empty dumpsters to the Williams Landfill in Bryan, Ohio, which again they searched with the help of a police canine, but no bodies.

We are told Skelton has led authorities on a wild goose chase with tips that led them to a family cabin in Cobb Lake, abandoned houses, parks, campgrounds and overpasses throughout Northwest Ohio.
http://www.myfoxhouston.com/dpps/ne...n-skelton-into-custody-20101130-wpms_10865203

BBM. And this from a man who claimed to love his family. BS!

This is a man, who when he could not control his lifes circumstances took extreme measures to ensure his children, his STBX wife and everyone who loved those children would pay-and pay dearly. Now he is exhibiting more of his selfish controlling behavior by NOT telling where authorities could find the boys.

And then his family is quoted in MSM a person can only be pushed so far. BS! People face far more excruciating life circumstances and do not murder as a result of it. It is an insult to people who overcome extreme difficult circumstances to give this alleged murderer the excuse that people can only be pushed so far. :furious:

God PLEASE let these boys be found today! They deserve a proper burial, not that they didn't deserve life, but since the dna contributor took that from them, please let them be found today.

 

[darlin gal]

Now, they believe his suicide attempt may be a fake, as well.

http://www.myfoxhouston.com/dpps/ne...n-skelton-into-custody-20101130-wpms_10865203

However, before he lawyered up, the father of three missing boys was talking. According to a source, Skelton told investigators he is responsible for the death of his three sons. The Morenci police chief alluded to that during a press conference.