MI - Three siblings in juvenile detention for contempt, Pontiac, 9 July 2015

[MyBelle]

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I, too, was concerned when I read that she hadn't followed through with trying to obtain the order of protection.

But I reminded myself that there are multitudes of women (and men) who file for an emergency protection order, but then don't follow through at a subsequent hearing to extend the order. I reminded myself that there are many reasons why this happens - forgiveness toward the alleged abuser, fear of escalating the situation, denial of the seriousness of the situation, reconciliation with the alleged abuser, etc.

I don't know if any of the above apply to Dr. Tsimhoni, nor do I know if her allegations are true or false. I don't think her failure to follow through necessarily indicates that her allegations had no merit.

BBM. The parents didn't reconcile, the mother didn't "forgive" the father, the father didn't escalate the situation so that leaves only one reason for failure to follow thru: it wasn't true.

JMO

 

[Morag]

A couple of the judge's comments:

"There is no reason why you do not have a relationship with your father".

"I think your father is a great man who has gone through hoops for you to have a relationship with you."



http://download.gannett.edgesuite.net/detnews/2015/pdf/showcausehearing_gorcyca.pdf

Question: How is living in Israel most of the year and only returning in June to visit his kids when school is out going "through hoops" to have a relationship with his children?

I'd say that living abroad the majority of these past five years (during the kids' most formative years) and only coming to the U.S. in the summer could be a very glaring reason why the kids don't have a "healthy" relationship with their father.

It was the father's decision to accept a job in Israel, despite his then-wife's wishes and reluctance/refusal to uproot her life/career and accompany him. He went anyway - which tells me a lot about who comes first in his mind and what his priorities were/are.

He basically abandoned his wife and children when he relocated overseas in November 2008. Apparently, he has only come to visit his children in the summer when school was out, according to the father's attorney in this Detroit Free Press article:

http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/2015/07/09/jailed-kids/29944037/

Oh, but he claims to want a relationship with them? Can he not see how his own actions since 2008 have more than likely greatly contributed to his lack of relationship with his kids?

One cannot foster a bond with small children via phone calls, texts, e-mails, from thousands of miles away, anymore than one can force a child to have a "healthy relationship" with a parent after that child has been abandoned and has had little to no contact with the absentee parent for over 5 years.

The mother has been accused of alienating the children and a lot of blame has been heaped upon her because the kids no longer wish to have contact with their father, but, from I've read, it seems that the father only wants to see his kids when it's convenient to him and when it doesn't interfere with his career aspirations.

One cannot have a long-distance relationship with one's children. It just doesn't work that way. Parenting is an up close and personal endeavor - not a once a year event.

I think this father needs to take inventory and needs to examine his own life/career choices, rather than blaming his ex-wife for his problems.

And the father re-married and had another child. Nothing wrong with that, but if he had unfinished business with his 'first family', the remarriage and new child must have been a real blow for the kids. Daddy moved to Israel and now he has a new kid and doesn't need us any more.
Parental alienation? I don't know, but the mother has consistently been there for her kids over the years, not rocking a cradle 6000 miles away. He abandoned them, regardless of what may have followed that action.

 

[LinasK]

After the incident on the playground in 2010, children seem to be refusing to have anything to do with the father. They were 9, 5, and 4 then. If father lost his temper (considering he has admitted to forcefully removing his child from a top of playground equipment), I am not surprised that child thinks his father is violent.
Judge LG seems to think that unless fathers abuse the crap out of their children (she claims she saw children who have been raped by their fathers still wanting to talk with these fathers), it's all well and good.
Has she tried to look it from Tsimhoni children's prospective. First of all, father accepted a job in Israel and moved to Israel when his wife didn't want to move. So children feel abandoned by him.
Then there is an incident on the playground.
Then father spends most of his time in Israel, shows in the states in June, and apparently expects that children should be happy to see him.
Well, they aren't.And I don't think that dragging them to court is helping them in any way.

BBM. As I understood it, they were living in Israel and she moved to Michigan. This is an Israeli family- I can tell just by the last names.

 

[LinasK]

And the father re-married and had another child. Nothing wrong with that, but if he had unfinished business with his 'first family', the remarriage and new child must have been a real blow for the kids. Daddy moved to Israel and now he has a new kid and doesn't need us any more.
Parental alienation? I don't know, but the mother has consistently been there for her kids over the years, not rocking a cradle 6000 miles away. He abandoned them, regardless of what may have followed that action.

This family was from Israel, that's what everyone is forgetting. The mother is the one who moved them. And apparently his job is transferring him back to Michigan now, so this is not a father who doesn't want to see his kids.

 

[lisalei321]

This whole thing is really pushing some buttons for me...

NPH was never married to stepson mom.

She missed 3 dna tests to prove he was the father. Showed up for the 4th one 30 minutes late.

Fast forward, after the dna came back, she wanted money and no visitation.

NPH got an order for visitation, upon until stepson turned 18, the order had to be enforced with a deputy present at exchange...no fun...

She wanted money. Period. Not a family.

He pretty much now lives with us.

No sympathy for the mom here.

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[jjenny]

This family was from Israel, that's what everyone is forgetting. The mother is the one who moved them. And apparently his job is transferring him back to Michigan now, so this is not a father who doesn't want to see his kids.

They were from Israel, but moved to US before children were born. Children were born in US, so the children are not from Israel. As for father job's transferring him here, I have yet to see the link that this is so.

 

[jjenny]

BBM. As I understood it, they were living in Israel and she moved to Michigan. This is an Israeli family- I can tell just by the last names.

<modsnip>They parents were from Israel, they moved to US before children were born. Children are not from Israel.
Father accepted a job in Israel, but mother didn't want to go back to Israel.
She did move there for a short period of time, after father took a job there, but then came back. Ever since then father is living in Israel, and my understanding from the court documents, he comes back to US in June and that's when he wants to see his children.

 

[LinasK]

They were from Israel, but moved to US before children were born. Children were born in US, so the children are not from Israel. As for father job's transferring him here, I have yet to see the link that this is so.

It was earlier in this thread, BRB!

 

[LinasK]

It was earlier in this thread, BRB!

Okay, see post #260, apparently GM is transferring him back to Michigan.

 

[jjenny]

Okay, see post #260, apparently GM is transferring him back to Michigan.

A poster claiming something and never providing a link doesn't make it so.

 

[MyBelle]

A poster claiming something and never providing a link doesn't make it so.

Yet it is done over and over by some to the point it derails a thread.

 

[LinasK]

A poster claiming something and never providing a link doesn't make it so.

Why would a poster here have reason to lie about something like that? What is to be gained by it? It's obviously provable/disprovable. They probably know this information somehow, maybe personally, if they don't have it in a news article.

 

[jjenny]

Why would a poster here have reason to lie about something like that? What is to be gained by it? It's obviously provable/disprovable. They probably know this information somehow, maybe personally, if they don't have it in a news article.

If somebody claims personal knowledge, they need to be approved as an insider.
As this poster hasn't been approved as an insider, and hasn't provided links to her claim, I don't think the claim is reliable in any way, shape or form.

 

[MyBelle]

<modsnip>

She is guilty of parental alienation because the Judge has said so. Courts use statutes, not theories to punish those who don't follow their orders.

JMO

 

[KaaBoom]

Unless, of course the mother HAS in fact emotionally manipulated her children, and the father has in fact gone to great lengths to be a part of his children's lives.

I understood you to be suggesting something going even beyond bias, to the judge and father actually plotting and planning together.

I would imagine that is possible, stranger things have happened. But it is a serious allegation to make against someone without any more evidence than your own suspicion of bias.

I'm saying that a judge who does nothing but praises one party, and compares the other party to Charles Manson, is not being fair or objective. She is not even trying to hide her bias.

 

[SophieRose]

I think the couple moved to the USA from Israel in 1995 or 1996, and I believe children were born in the USA. Father took a job with GM in Israel in 2008.

 

[Sillybilly]

Some rude back and forth posts have been removed. If you can't be courteous, perhaps it's time for a break. Keep it nice !!

:tyou:

 

[sorrell skye]

If somebody claims personal knowledge, they need to be approved as an insider.
As this poster hasn't been approved as an insider, and hasn't provided links to her claim, I don't think the claim is reliable in any way, shape or form.

I haven't read any article, court document, or anything else that provides evidence that the father has given up his job in Israel and has relocated/been transferred back to the U.S. If he's moved back to the U.S., then why didn't his attorney mention that in the article linked below, or why haven't any articles been linked to provide proof that he has, indeed, moved back to the U.S?

http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/2015/07/09/jailed-kids/29944037/

What IS mentioned in the article linked above (via his attorney) is that the father travels back to the U.S. every year in June to visit the children. Absolutely no mention of the father moving back to the U.S.

I'd be happy to read an article from a reliable news source that clearly states the father is now living in the United States in order to be close to his children.

 

[sorrell skye]

I think the couple moved to the USA from Israel in 1995 or 1996, and I believe children were born in the USA. Father took a job with GM in Israel in 2008.

The children were definitely born in the United States.

From this article:

http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/2015/07/09/jailed-kids/29944037/

In her divorce complaint, Eibschitz-Tsimhoni said that the couple married in Israel on Aug. 17, 1995, had three children between 2001 and 2005 and lived as a family in Ann Arbor until her husband accepted a job in Israel in November 2008 and moved there permanently.

If the children had been born in Israel (which they weren't) and if Israel had been their habitual residence for the majority of their lives, the father would have had legal grounds to support his custody petition, which was denied by U.S. District Judge Robert Cleland.

But Cleland ultimately ruled the "children were not present in Israel long enough to establish it as their habitual residence."

http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/2015/07/09/jailed-kids/29944037/

The matter of where the children were born should be laid to rest.

 

[sorrell skye]

<modsnip>

She is guilty of parental alienation because the Judge has said so. Courts use statutes, not theories to punish those who don't follow their orders.

JMO

BBM

What statute did the judge in this case use to prove parental alienation?

Statute meaning: a written law passed by a legislative body.

I'm not aware of any law (statute) that mentions "parental alienation", nor any law that mentions a minor child should be punished for failing to have a so-called "healthy relationship" with an absentee parent.